GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Dan_473 said:
Leviticus 7: 37. This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meal offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecration, and of the sacrifice of peace offerings; 38. which the Lord commanded Moses in Mount Sinai, in the day that he commanded the children of Israel to offer their offerings to the Lord, in the wilderness of Sinai. - Bible Offline


some laws were given at a certain place and time

but you are correct that i don't understand the law the way you do

so, please present a list of the laws you understand Abe kept
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Gosh Dan,

I have pointed out to you that Jesus created His Instruction in the OT. (Col. 1:16)

I pointed out how Jesus said to get understanding. (John 14: 15-17) I pointed out that He is Faithful to come through on His Promise as He was for Abel, Noah, and Abraham. (John 8:56) I pointed out where Jesus told the Apostles to go to get this information. (Matt. 23 1-3) And I pointed out that the Priesthood is what was changed in the New Covenant.

At some point you are going to have to man up, pick up your cross and follow Him. Not the long haired creation of the Mainstream church, created in direct violation to the first and greatest commandment, but the true Christ of the Bible, who told you plainly what to do if you truly love Him. Both as God of the Old Testament, and our Savior of the New. He does not change.
 
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posthuman said:
esp. those things written in the Law regarding what must be done on sabbaths and what must be done ((by the whole congregation)) when any sabbath is violated, according to what is written in the Law about what constitutes defilement of any sabbath . . . ?

((as Jackson has been asking about for over 200 pages now.. ))
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Yes, I've heard of the idea of moral laws

but since Moral just means Right and Wrong

breaking any rule of God's would be wrong

they are all moral laws.

Now if certain rules are for certain people, times and places, then that's different, seemed to me
 
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Gosh Dan,

I have pointed out to you that Jesus created His Instruction in the OT. (Col. 1:16)

I pointed out how Jesus said to get understanding. (John 14: 15-17) I pointed out that He is Faithful to come through on His Promise as He was for Abel, Noah, and Abraham. (John 8:56) I pointed out where Jesus told the Apostles to go to get this information. (Matt. 23 1-3) And I pointed out that the Priesthood is what was changed in the New Covenant.

At some point you are going to have to man up, pick up your cross and follow Him. Not the long haired creation of the Mainstream church, created in direct violation to the first and greatest commandment, but the true Christ of the Bible, who told you plainly what to do if you truly love Him. Both as God of the Old Testament, and our Savior of the New. He does not change.
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please present a list of the laws you understand Abe kept

do you have such list?
 
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posthuman said:
so all the commandments are from God?

you admit this?



Exodus 29:9 is from God, not man?

because it says the priesthood is Aaron's and his sons, forever

how then is it changed?

don't you have "God fighting against God on the cross" as you like to say?

or do you have the annulment of a covenant that was made specifically with a specific people?
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It is you who promote the lie that Jesus fought with God, not me. I exposed your falsehood. Because you further lies about God your understanding has been taken away. It is impossible for you to understand unless the Bible is not true. Your preaching is living proof that God's Word is true.

The Priesthood is forever.


God's Covenant was not at fault, the people who He gave it to were at fault. God didn't destroy or eliminate the Priesthood as you imply, He placed a person who could be trusted to Head it.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

It's all there is the Book you twist to justify your man made religion.
 
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posthuman said:
do you wear tzitzit?

is anyone who is aware of Numbers ch. 15, yet does not wear tzitzit, in willful unrepenant sin and therefore not in Christ and condemned to eternal damnation -- notwithstanding belief and confession that Christ came in the flesh?

Numbers 15 is from God, not man, correct?
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53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
 
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Dan_473 said:
please present a list of the laws you understand Abe kept

do you have such list?
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It's written on my heart. If God has seen fit to blind you of His Truth, far be it from me to intervene. I have shown you whose Laws Abraham obeyed, and where Jesus said to go to find them. If you Love Him with your heart and not just your lips, you will obey Him and He will reveal Himself to you as He did to Abraham.

You need to learn from Him. I am just a man. I can show you His Word, but as Paul said, you must be convinced in your own mind whether to listen and obey God/Jesus, or follow religious traditions of man.

I'll give you a hint though. You know the first and greatest commandment. God explains how He defines following this instruction. It is the serpents goal to erase these instructions so man can not know how to follow Him and will create their own way. Like the various mainstream God of Abraham preaching people have done over the centuries.

This is why Jesus said to: "See Ye FIRST the Kingdom of God, and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS"

There is only one place to find this.
 
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Shamah said:
1. I said what I said, the SDAs just like every other denomanation make some of their own ordinances. The 7th day Sabbath they did not make....

2. You would have to ask an SDA I dont really care what they teach or do.

What is your obsession with SDAs? I am not nor have ever been one, is it that if you can find lies committed by SDAs you can trash YHWH"s Sabbath in your mind?

SDA matter as much as every other denomanation, not at all. What matters is what YHWH says.
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Tread carefully about denominations making their own ordinances. The test of who is and isn't a Christian is the Apostles Creed. In the early church disagreements about minor points were happening. The creed was created to define the core beliefs to be a Christian. Everything else is we agree to disagree. These peripheral disagreements have nothing to do with salvation. This was the decision of the elders of the early church and holds true today.
 
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Studyman said:
It's written on my heart. If God has seen fit to blind you of His Truth, far be it from me to intervene. I have shown you whose Laws Abraham obeyed, and where Jesus said to go to find them. If you Love Him with your heart and not just your lips, you will obey Him and He will reveal Himself to you as He did to Abraham.

You need to learn from Him. I am just a man. I can show you His Word, but as Paul said, you must be convinced in your own mind whether to listen and obey God/Jesus, or follow religious traditions of man.

I'll give you a hint though. You know the first and greatest commandment. God explains how He defines following this instruction. It is the serpents goal to erase these instructions so man can not know how to follow Him and will create their own way. Like the various mainstream God of Abraham preaching people have done over the centuries.

This is why Jesus said to: "See Ye FIRST the Kingdom of God, and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS"

There is only one place to find this.
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i see. so you have a list, but it's written on your heart

and God won't let you talk openly about this list with other people, in this case myself

is the fourth commandment part of this list, or is that a secret also?

not mocking, here
Just asking
 
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Studyman said:
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
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Yes, thank you for not answering simple question again.

So tzitzit, command from God or from man?

Law or not?

Go to hell for not wearing or not?
 
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rstrats said:
Jackson123,
re: "Do you kindle fire oN sabbath?"

If he does, how would that affect the Sabbath commandment?
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than he violate God law


[h=1]Exodus 35:3 King James Version (KJV)[/h]3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.
 
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It is you who promote the lie that Jesus fought with God, not me. I exposed your falsehood. Because you further lies about God your understanding has been taken away. It is impossible for you to understand unless the Bible is not true. Your preaching is living proof that God's Word is true.

The Priesthood is forever.


God's Covenant was not at fault, the people who He gave it to were at fault. God didn't destroy or eliminate the Priesthood as you imply, He placed a person who could be trusted to Head it.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

It's all there is the Book you twist to justify your man made religion.
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Jesus is not of Levi.

Exodus 29 is from God, not man, right?

How then is the Priesthood changed?
 
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Jackson123,
re: "than he violate God law"


What's your point with regard to the Sabbath?
 
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i see. so you have a list, but it's written on your heart

and God won't let you talk openly about this list with other people, in this case myself

is the fourth commandment part of this list, or is that a secret also?

not mocking, here
Just asking
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no that is dishonest, you are mocking. That’s OK, those who trust in everything Jesus said are used to religious people mocking them. You have everything you need to answer your own questions. This knowledge is withheld because God knows your heart. I don’t. Since you reject everything I share with you there isn’t much use in continuing. And given you preaching about drawn out debates you should be just fine with the end of this conversation. So long Dan.
 
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Jackson123,
re: "than he violate God law"


What's your point with regard to the Sabbath?
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I believe Jackson's point is that a number of people are saying we must keep sabbath according to law, or we go to hell, but the same people are rejecting what the Law actually says about keeping sabbaths.

Such that there is a clear and evident hypocrisy and double mindedness, since some are saying, you must keep law not tradition of men, this is only way to be saved, but when pressed they say do not actually keep law, keep human tradition about law instead, or go to hell.

It arises because they think they can break the law into pieces and judge each other by little bits of it and say they keep it by one or two bits of it, while ignoring the rest. This is not scriptural; the scripture treats the covenant Law as one Law, saying all are guilty of breaking all of it, if they fail at any point. "not one jot or tittle"
 
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posthuman said:
Jesus is not of Levi.

Exodus 29 is from God, not man, right?

How then is the Priesthood changed?
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God is not a Levite. But again, it’s not my fault you can’t understand that. Jesus told you through Jeremiah what He would do, but you destroyed that Jesus and created another one more suitable to your fleshy needs. If you didn’t know that would be one thing. But you know full well.
 
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Studyman said:
God is not a Levite. But again, it’s not my fault you can’t understand that. Jesus told you through Jeremiah what He would do, but you destroyed that Jesus and created another one more suitable to your fleshy needs. If you didn’t know that would be one thing. But you know full well.
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Yes, great job at refusing to answer simple question again, thanks.

Jesus is not Levite. Law says Levite Priesthood is throughout all generations. Priesthood is however, changed - and Law along with it.

How can this be?

You say, if Christ nails Law of Sinai Covenant to cross, it is God fighting God, so you call everyone liars and pour curses from your mouth all day.
Now you say, it is not God fighting God if He changes Priesthood.

Why? How is this accomplished?
 
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Tzitzit - required or not?

Numbers 15, from God or from man?

Tzitzit commanded, is it binding on me or not?

Very simple, very practical question: do believers in Christ go to hell for not wearing tzitzit?

Yes? No? Why or why not?
 
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Studyman said:
no that is dishonest, you are mocking. That’s OK, those who trust in everything Jesus said are used to religious people mocking them. You have everything you need to answer your own questions. This knowledge is withheld because God knows your heart. I don’t. Since you reject everything I share with you there isn’t much use in continuing. And given you preaching about drawn out debates you should be just fine with the end of this conversation. So long Dan.
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no, not mocking

an honest attempt to find out details of your thoughts on these matters

sounds like we agree that that long debates usually aren't edifying

but discussion can be great

though it often involves asking questions
 
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rstrats said:
Jackson123,
re: "than he violate God law"


What's your point with regard to the Sabbath?
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AS far AS I know Sabbath mean rest, the only rest we can get is in Jesus.

Business man may close his office oN sabbath, but his mind may not rest.

as soon AS one accept Jesus, he get the real rest. He may appear to work, but his mind rest.
 
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