GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

Will you acknowledge that under the law Jesus could not condemn her?

Hi Bill again and all,

Happy Sabbath to you all. Sorry I have been away for a while (posting wise). Look forward to catching up.

Bill, if you sin against God you are under the LAW guilty before God of SIN. That is why Jesus says go sin no more.

Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. <Through the law is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN; Rom 3:20>

Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you <SIN shall NOT control you>: for you are not under the law <You are not sinning you have been forgiven>, but under grace <Grace is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH; Romans 1:5; 6:1-2> .

Rom 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. <If you are under GRACE you are NOT to SIN; Break God's Commandments>
Gal 5:18
But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law <Not guitly of breaking it as you have been forgiven and kept by the power of GOD unto salvation>.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11).
All those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Studyman]

Will you acknowledge that under the law Jesus could not condemn her?

Under His Law she was already condemned by Him. No reason to do it twice. Let her show her repentance.

 

[posthuman]

It is a fascinating dilemma to be sure. People claim to honor the two Great Commandments in the Law, yet refuse the instructions God gave as to how to honor them.

would this be anything like *not* lining up outside churches on Sunday to stone all those heathens to death for worshiping on the wrong day, as they exit the building?

 

[posthuman]

Under His Law she was already condemned by Him. No reason to do it twice. Let her show her repentance.

the Law says stone to death an adulterer.

why does it not apply?

 

[posthuman]

So I don't know much about this to be honest, However from what I found on this

Numbers 15

37And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 38Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: 39And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring: 40That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God. 41I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.

So he "bid" them to do it, Not commanded, But that being said it's something that needs to be study, and let's be honest something we all need to understand better.

It comes from God, however it's purpose was just so we could remind ourselves to keep the law, Now we have Jesus, we should know "Don't commit adultery" Not because the law said so, But Because we love God so much we wouldn't want to hurt him by doing such a thing.

Not something I really can explain, so for now let's leave it alone until further study, we should all admit when we don't know the answer instead of making excuses, I really don't know the full answer, I can only give some of my ideas, or what I figure,

Sorry

Godbless

same word is used in Genesis when God "bid" ((if you want to translate it this way)) Adam not to eat of the tree in the midst of the garden. it just means "say"

when God says "do" it is hard to make a semantic argument that it is not an instruction.

 

[posthuman]

Re: A New Commandment I Give You

They were about to stone the woman caught in adultery. Jesus intervened and saved her life. What do you think Jesus would make of these?

they are about to stone believers who meet together on the 8[SUP]th[/SUP] day in order to worship and learn of Him.

what do you think He makes of this?

 

[posthuman]

And she was dead spiritually as the Law commanded, just like Paul was; "The Commandment came and I died" just as the Law prescribed.

Jesus says " I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Did Jesus give this woman the same chance that we all get?

"Now go and commit adultery no more". The Law did it's job, killed this woman, she has only one place where she can be "freed" from this death, so this Law lead her to Christ as it is written. She is forgiven and Jesus told her to "Bring works worthy of forgiveness (Repentance)

Not difficult to understand at all.

this was before the crucifixion.

if you preach now that "spiritual observance" of the commandments is "okay" then is it reasonable for you to judge others for "spiritual observance" of His rest?

 

[posthuman]

Bill, if you sin against God you are under the LAW guilty before God of SIN.

it doesn't matter how many times you keep repeating yourself.
it doesn't matter if you use all caps.
your opinion is not taken into account when God looks at us.
no one who has been immersed in Him is under Law.

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
(Romans 14:4) ​

 

[posthuman]

Bill, if you sin against God you are under the LAW guilty before God of SIN.

therefore the woman caught in adultery is worthy of nothing but death and hell.

we need to wrap our heads around the mechanism by which His salvation is accomplished.
& you will, one day - because my God is faithful. but it won't happen as long as you keep thinking you know what you're talking about.

 

[posthuman]

There you go, making up crap again. When did I say the Pharisees were following God's Commandments?

right here:

the "court" MUST carry our the sentence as God Commanded.

Leviticus 20:10 says clearly that the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death ((where's the man in this story? lol??)). the Pharisees cited this in John 8:5

do you not believe that the Law commanded Israel to carry out such justice? you think the intent of the Law was to allow every wicked person to go on with whatever wickedness they were engaged in perpetually, because they were 'spiritually dead' therefore the Law was satisfied? need specific references clearly instructing to stone people?

 

[oldethennew]

Christ became our 'Sacrificial Lamb', our 'Intercessor' after He calls us into His Holy Body,
'past-sins-forgiven' that we committed in our ignorance and just for being born into this
'fallen-world'...
afterwards, when we sin, it is never by a choice to dis-honor Him, but it does happen,
and then we submit and go to Him in 'honest repentance', for He is right now at this very moment
sitting on the 'right hand of God', to intercede for us to The Father, this is what is called Loving Grace...

by the way, the more we grow to Love Him and understand what He has done for us, the stronger we become,
and thus we 'sin' less and less, as we grow into the person that He longs for us to become,
only by His forgiving Grace of His Holy Love...

 

[Studyman]

the Law says stone to death an adulterer.

why does it not apply?

The law came and she died just Like Paul said

 

[Studyman]

right here:



Leviticus 20:10 says clearly that the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death ((where's the man in this story? lol??)). the Pharisees cited this in John 8:5

do you not believe that the Law commanded Israel to carry out such justice? you think the intent of the Law was to allow every wicked person to go on with whatever wickedness they were engaged in perpetually, because they were 'spiritually dead' therefore the Law was satisfied? need specific references clearly instructing to stone people?

A dead person can do nothing

 

[rstrats]

Re: A New Commandment I Give You

posthuman,
re: "...they are about to stone believers who meet together on the 8th day..."


I thought the week then like now only consisted of 7 days.

 

[lightbearer]

....but it won't happen as long as you keep thinking you know what you're talking about.

You should heed your own advice

 

[posthuman]

The law came and she died just Like Paul said

the Law says of those who commit wickedness:

take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate
and stone that person to death.
(Deuteronomy 17:5)​

is this not so?

 

[posthuman]

A dead person can do nothing

listen, then

anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
(Romans 6:7)

sin shall not be your master, because you are not under Law, but under grace.
(Romans 6:14)

​

 

[Studyman]

right here:



Leviticus 20:10 says clearly that the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death ((where's the man in this story? lol??)). the Pharisees cited this in John 8:5

do you not believe that the Law commanded Israel to carry out such justice? you think the intent of the Law was to allow every wicked person to go on with whatever wickedness they were engaged in perpetually, because they were 'spiritually dead' therefore the Law was satisfied? need specific references clearly instructing to stone people?

When you show me a cup of Christ’s blood and a slice of His flesh to eat and drink before you can be let into heaven, then maybe I might be inclined to talk about the Stoning of sinners.

 

[posthuman]

Re: A New Commandment I Give You

posthuman,
re: "...they are about to stone believers who meet together on the 8th day..."


I thought the week then like now only consisted of 7 days.

from the 1[SUP]st [/SUP]century and onward, Christians met together on the first of the week, and called it "the 8[SUP]th[/SUP] day"

because He has done a new thing

 

[posthuman]

When you show me a cup of Christ’s blood and a slice of His flesh to eat and drink before you can be let into heaven, then maybe I might be inclined to talk about the Stoning of sinners.

demanding a sign, huh ?