GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Possibly you missed this post I made?

For it focuses on the Spirit or intent:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it." [/FONT]
I did miss it.

So, it appears, honouring the seven of His rest is not about going to church on a particular day, or a vacation from work, or refraining from lifting bags or shopping for groceries?

But so as, 'the Kingdom of God is not eating and drinking'
 

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Whoever has ceased from his own works....
 

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I did miss it.

So, it appears, honouring the seven of His rest is not about going to church on a particular day, or a vacation from work, or refraining from lifting bags or shopping foe groceries.
Yes! Also I personally think that view of the Sabbath is infulenced from the Pharisees way of keeping it, the way I see it that has always been the purpose of the 7th day; to do YHWH's will. That is why He says "set apart" you nkow we should worship Him and do His will every day, but every day can not been 100% set apart to Him, as we need to work to pay bills, mow the lawn, do the dishes, do the laundry etc. The Sabbath is a full day to not do any of those things and seek YHWH and His will 100%. I am not perfect in it, but when I have honored it properly or even semi-properly I have feat it was some of the most fruitful days to YHWH I have ever lived. It also really cente4rs upon YHWH as leading in and out of that day it reminds one and brings them back to wheere they should be, making it easier and more natural to focus on Himn during the rest of the week. No one wants to end Sabbath ot leave church and start doing wrong things, it helps, it's like training wheels IMO. A slice of the bread of life.
 

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Whoever has ceased from his own works....

PraiseYah!

Your implacation here is IMO the true intent of the Sabbath! Stop our own desire and do His!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."[/FONT]
 

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PraiseYah!

Your implacation here is IMO the true intent of the Sabbath! Stop our own desire and do His!

Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."
Regarding Hebrews 4. The Geneva Bible in the notes has this:

Lest any man should object, that those words were meant of the Land of Canaan, and of Moses’ doctrine, and therefore cannot well be drawn to Christ, and to eternal life. The Apostle showeth that there are two manners of rests spoken of in the Scriptures: the one, of the seventh day, wherein God is said to have rested from all his works: the other is said to be that same, where into Joshua led the people: but this rest is not the last rest whereto we are called and that he proveth by two reasons.

For seeing that David so long time after, speaking to the people which were then placed in the land of Canaan, useth these words, today, and threateneth them still that they shall not enter into the rest of God, which refuseth then the voice of God that sounded in their ears, we must needs say that he meant another time than the time of Moses, and another rest than the rest of the land of Canaan: And that is, that everlasting rest, wherein we begin to live to God, after that the race of this life ceaseth: as God resteth the seventh day from those his works, that is to say, from making the world. Moreover, the Apostle therewithal signifieth that the way to this rest, which Moses and the land of Canaan and all that order of the Law did shadow, is opened in the Gospel only.
 

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Very simple, very practical question: do believers in Christ go to hell for not wearing tzitzit?

Yes? No? Why or why not?
No. We have a New Garment to which we all wear; Christ Jesus our Lord.

But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds (sinning); And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

(Heb 3:6 Eph 2:14-19 20 Gal 3:26-29;Col 3:9-11 KJV)

The Garment; Christ; His Word; the Faith, the Law in our hearts and in our minds, and in our mouths, that we do it. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. It is HIS righteousness through HIS indwelling. For we are the Temple of GOD the Body of Christ; HE doeth the work.
 

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Regarding Hebrews 4. The Geneva Bible in the notes has this:

Lest any man should object, that those words were meant of the Land of Canaan, and of Moses’ doctrine, and therefore cannot well be drawn to Christ, and to eternal life. The Apostle showeth that there are two manners of rests spoken of in the Scriptures: the one, of the seventh day, wherein God is said to have rested from all his works: the other is said to be that same, where into Joshua led the people: but this rest is not the last rest whereto we are called and that he proveth by two reasons.....
Hebrews 4 speaks of two rests. The Gospel and the Sabbath. One can not keep the Sabbath unless they are experiencing the Gospel.
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
The Rest, His Rest here is the Gospel. This is reiterated in the next verse.
2.For unto us was the Gospel preached , as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
The Gospel which is the New Covenant, the placing of God's commandments, His Word, His intent into our hearts and minds through the indwelling of His Spirit. This is the rest in verse 1 which we enter into through faith. Or do not enter into because of unbelief (obstinate and rebellious disobedience).

This unbelief is discussed earlier in chapter 3

Hebrews
3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day, [now] if ye will hear his voice,......
8 Harden not your hearts,......
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For they do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, (his indwelling Spirit) if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned,
Through an Evil heart of unbelief, we depart from the living God, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin we will not know His ways.
So today hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation when they did provoke. Them that sinned, evil hearted unbelievers, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Which whom was He grieved? Them that sinned and had not held their confidence steadfast unto the end. These are those who had not entered into His Rest therefore had never kept a Sabbath

Now Back to chapter 4:1,2

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]4:3 For we which have believed, do enter into rest.
We do enter into His Rest, receive the Gospel the New Covenant, Which is His Commandments, His Word in our Hearts and in our minds. The anointing; Christ in us the Hope of Glory. For it is He that worketh in us to will and do His good pleasure. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God.
2 Cor. 3:5 Heb 8:10

vs. 3 As he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


This rest is still speaking of the Gospel. The works for our salvation in the Gospel were finished from beginning when He had laid the foundation of the World.

We trampled on the gift of the Gospel from the Beginning of time and even though we deserve God's wrath salvation is still available to us.
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love..... the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:8; Eph 1:4

Now pay attention please.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

And this again, the Sabbath, the Seventh Day if we enter into, receive His rest, the Gospel, the indwelling of His Spirit.
For God spoke of the Seventh Day in a certain place and that certain place was on Mt Sinia.
And this again he speaks it says in verse 4 and 5, "if we shall enter into His Rest," receive the Gospel.


6.Seeing therefore (because) it remaineth that some must enter therein (the Gospel), and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Remember the previous chapter? They Never received the Gospel therefore since they never truly enter into union with the Father they never truly kept a Sabbath. They could not due to their unbelief through the deceitfulness of sin.
A unholy being cannot keep a day holy, sanctified. Their very presence defiles it.

So they never truly kept the Sabbath. They were defiled by the deceitfulness of sin. We are enjoined to rest and to keep the day Holy. If we have iniquity on our hearts it prevents us from keeping it Holy. Therefore they never truly kept it in the way our Lord YHWH had intended.


7.Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David [Ps 95:7,8] To day, [ Now ]after so long a time; as it is said , To day [Right now] if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts as in the day of provocation, 8.For if Jesus had given them rest , [Joshua leading the children of Israel into the promised land] , then would he, David, [See Psalm 95] not afterward have spoken of another day.


Verses six through eight are a call to repentance. Today (in other words now) after so long a time today (right now) if you will hear His voice harden not your hearts. Receive the rest that we receive in Christ, the Gospel. For He is our God and we are the people of His Pasture, His Resting, His indwelling; for we are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them and walk in them Heb 8:10 I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts and I will be their God and they shall be my people.That is the Gospel; the New Covenant.


9.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


As you know The Greek word here in verse 9 for rest means a "sabbathing", a keeping of a Sabbath. Prior to this the Greek word used for rest meant to rest, to stop. That is why it was used in relation to the Gospel. God wants us to stop living our lives in sin; the unbelief (obstinate and rebellious disobedience) spoken of and live our lives in Him. Rest in Him. His Rest, the Gospel. For it is He that wants to work in you both to will and do His good pleasure.

10.For he that is entered into his rest [received the Gospel. Which by the way enables us to be Holy and remain so, through His indwelling Spirit ], he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.


Did you get that? Because of receiving the Gospel we cease from our own works as GOD did from His.
"As is" is a direct comparison. So with that you must ask yourself how and when did God cease from his own works. The answer to that is recorded in Gen 2.... on the Seventh Day, And God did rest from all His work on the seventh day (see Hebrews Verse 4 and Genesis Chapter 2:1-3).

God Is a Spiritual Being he is always in the state of Spiritual Rest . HE did not enter into the Gospel; the Spiritual Rest to which we are called. On the Seventh Day Sabbath he ceased from the physical labor of creation. Which is recorded in Genesis 2.
Therefore He that receives the Gospel, will cease from their own physical work as God did from His physical work on the 7th day Sabbath. And this is, was and will continue to be done on the Seventh day of the week into eternity.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
(Isa 66:23 KJV)
 

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Hebrews 4 speaks of two rests. The Gospel and the Sabbath. One can not keep the Sabbath unless they are experiencing the Gospel.
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
The Rest, His Rest here is the Gospel. This is reiterated in the next verse.
2.For unto us was the Gospel preached , as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
The Gospel which is the New Covenant, the placing of God's commandments, His Word, His intent into our hearts and minds through the indwelling of His Spirit. This is the rest in verse 1 which we enter into through faith. Or do not enter into because of unbelief (obstinate and rebellious disobedience).

This unbelief is discussed earlier in chapter 3

Hebrews
3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day, [now] if ye will hear his voice,......
8 Harden not your hearts,......
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For they do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, (his indwelling Spirit) if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned,
Through an Evil heart of unbelief, we depart from the living God, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin we will not know His ways.
So today hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation when they did provoke. Them that sinned, evil hearted unbelievers, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Which whom was He grieved? Them that sinned and had not held their confidence steadfast unto the end. These are those who had not entered into His Rest therefore had never kept a Sabbath

Now Back to chapter 4:1,2

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]4:3 For we which have believed, do enter into rest.
We do enter into His Rest, receive the Gospel the New Covenant, Which is His Commandments, His Word in our Hearts and in our minds. The anointing; Christ in us the Hope of Glory. For it is He that worketh in us to will and do His good pleasure. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God.
2 Cor. 3:5 Heb 8:10

vs. 3 As he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


This rest is still speaking of the Gospel. The works for our salvation in the Gospel were finished from beginning when He had laid the foundation of the World.

We trampled on the gift of the Gospel from the Beginning of time and even though we deserve God's wrath salvation is still available to us.
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love..... the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:8; Eph 1:4

Now pay attention please.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

And this again, the Sabbath, the Seventh Day if we enter into, receive His rest, the Gospel, the indwelling of His Spirit.
For God spoke of the Seventh Day in a certain place and that certain place was on Mt Sinia.
And this again he speaks it says in verse 4 and 5, "if we shall enter into His Rest," receive the Gospel.


6.Seeing therefore (because) it remaineth that some must enter therein (the Gospel), and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Remember the previous chapter? They Never received the Gospel therefore since they never truly enter into union with the Father they never truly kept a Sabbath. They could not due to their unbelief through the deceitfulness of sin.
A unholy being cannot keep a day holy, sanctified. Their very presence defiles it.

So they never truly kept the Sabbath. They were defiled by the deceitfulness of sin. We are enjoined to rest and to keep the day Holy. If we have iniquity on our hearts it prevents us from keeping it Holy. Therefore they never truly kept it in the way our Lord YHWH had intended.


7.Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David [Ps 95:7,8] To day, [ Now ]after so long a time; as it is said , To day [Right now] if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts as in the day of provocation, 8.For if Jesus had given them rest , [Joshua leading the children of Israel into the promised land] , then would he, David, [See Psalm 95] not afterward have spoken of another day.


Verses six through eight are a call to repentance. Today (in other words now) after so long a time today (right now) if you will hear His voice harden not your hearts. Receive the rest that we receive in Christ, the Gospel. For He is our God and we are the people of His Pasture, His Resting, His indwelling; for we are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them and walk in them Heb 8:10 I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts and I will be their God and they shall be my people.That is the Gospel; the New Covenant.


9.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


As you know The Greek word here in verse 9 for rest means a "sabbathing", a keeping of a Sabbath. Prior to this the Greek word used for rest meant to rest, to stop. That is why it was used in relation to the Gospel. God wants us to stop living our lives in sin; the unbelief (obstinate and rebellious disobedience) spoken of and live our lives in Him. Rest in Him. His Rest, the Gospel. For it is He that wants to work in you both to will and do His good pleasure.

10.For he that is entered into his rest [received the Gospel. Which by the way enables us to be Holy and remain so, through His indwelling Spirit ], he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.


Did you get that? Because of receiving the Gospel we cease from our own works as GOD did from His.
"As is" is a direct comparison. So with that you must ask yourself how and when did God cease from his own works. The answer to that is recorded in Gen 2.... on the Seventh Day, And God did rest from all His work on the seventh day (see Hebrews Verse 4 and Genesis Chapter 2:1-3).

God Is a Spiritual Being he is always in the state of Spiritual Rest . HE did not enter into the Gospel; the Spiritual Rest to which we are called. On the Seventh Day Sabbath he ceased from the physical labor of creation. Which is recorded in Genesis 2.
Therefore He that receives the Gospel, will cease from their own physical work as God did from His physical work on the 7th day Sabbath. And this is, was and will continue to be done on the Seventh day of the week into eternity.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
(Isa 66:23 KJV)
All provided we look forward to Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith, and that we heed, and act on, Rev 3:20 that says, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

There are many who have Christ in their head, but not in their hearts. The Gospel is for today, the rest is history.
 
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All provided we look forward to Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith,
Amen! He is our Faith; the Life! The narrow Way; the Gate to which leads to the Life; GOD!
and that we heed, and act on, Rev 3:20 that says, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

There are many who have Christ in their head, but not in their hearts,
However That still small voice will get louder and louder as we (they) feed on the Manna that is from Heaven; Jesus Christ our Lord.
 

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Amen! He is our Faith; the Life! The narrow Way; the Gate to which leads to the Life; GOD! However That still small voice will get louder and louder as we (they) feed on the Manna that is from Heaven; Jesus Christ our Lord.
For He dwells in us, and we rest in Him.

to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Colossians 1:27

Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. John 14:23

Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16
 
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if Jesus could make changes to the law while on earth
it follows that he could change the day of worship through his body on earth

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if Jesus could make changes to the law while on earth
it follows that he could change the day of worship through his body on earth

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posted from my phone, blessings!
The changes that were made have nothing to do with the moral law. The Decalogue and those laws contained in the Book of the Law that pertain to righteousness will for ever be encapsulated in Christ, in us through the Faith of Christ.
 

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The changes that were made have nothing to do with the moral law. The Decalogue and those laws contained in the Book of the Law that pertain to righteousness will for ever be encapsulated in Christ, in us through the Faith of Christ.
God rested from all his work on the 7 day
Jesus did good work on the 7 day

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God rested from all his work on the 7 day
Jesus did good work on the 7 day

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Not physical work pertaining to the cares of this world. Spiritual work pertaining to His ministry. God rested from the physical work of creation but He is always working for us, and in and through us Spiritually. As Jesus showed by His example. He said, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For He doeth the work.



(Joh 5:17, 19; 14:10)
 
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changing your definition of death mid-stride, aincha?

btw, thanks for the baseless accusations, curses and insults. i thought maybe something was wrong for a bit there, when you actually posted a couple times without verbally murdering me.


You purposely preach falsehoods about God’s Word. I have exposed them, that’s all. You verbally killed your self. I have thrown you the rope of God’s Word and you reject it choosing man made religious doctrines instead. Lots of people on this forum have tried to help you, but you refuse to accept the Word they share. You can blame others for your condition but it is you who did it to yourself
 

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Not physical work pertaining to the cares of this world. Spiritual work pertaining to His ministry. God rested from the physical work of creation but He is always working for us, and in and through us Spiritually. As Jesus showed by His example. He said, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For He doeth the work.



(Joh 5:17, 19; 14:10)
Jesus taught physical work allowed on Sabbath

Matthew 12: 10. And behold there was a man with a withered hand. They asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath day?" that they might accuse him. 11. He said to them, "What man is there among you, who has one sheep, and if this one falls into a pit on the Sabbath day, won't he grab on to it, and lift it out? - Bible Offline


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lightbearer

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Jesus taught physical work allowed on Sabbath

Matthew 12: 10. And behold there was a man with a withered hand. They asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath day?" that they might accuse him. 11. He said to them, "What man is there among you, who has one sheep, and if this one falls into a pit on the Sabbath day, won't he grab on to it, and lift it out?
So miraculously healing a man with a withered hand to promote GOD's Kingdom; the Body of Christ is physical work to you?

To pull a suffering animal out of a pit to relieve it's bellowing is not Spiritual?
 

Studyman

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this was before the crucifixion.

if you preach now that "spiritual observance" of the commandments is "okay" then is it reasonable for you to judge others for "spiritual observance" of His rest?


So you preach the Law didn't kill anyone until Jesus died. Wow, the hits just keep coming.
 

Dan_473

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So miraculously healing a man with a withered hand to promote GOD's Kingdom; the Body of Christ is physical work to you?

To pull a suffering animal out of a pit to relieve it's bellowing is not Spiritual?
it's physical work related to the cares of this world


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