KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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Dino246

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Most people have no clue what you are talking about, they have no idea of the extent Satan has gone to to change the word of God to his own word and religion.
What makes you think that satan was not at work in the development and translation of the KJV just as much as with newer translations?
 
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So because a phrase was used by occultists, its use by a Christian means that Christian was trying to insert witchcraft into his paraphrase? That is the same reasoning that calls Jesus an adaptation of the Mithras myth.

It's a non sequitur, unless you can provide evidence of a direct linkage. Correlation does not prove causation.
It is an occult axiom and has no place in the Bible! Blavatsky used that exact phrase in the 1800s in Isis unveiled. Albert Pike used it in Morals and Dogma in the same century. You need to figure out whose side you are on! A christian didn't insert the phrase into the Message Bible...an occultist did!
 
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What makes you think that satan was not at work in the development and translation of the KJV just as much as with newer translations?
"Ye shall know them by their fruits..." (Matthew 7:16)
 

Dino246

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It is an occult axiom and has no place in the Bible! Blavatsky used that exact phrase in the 1800s in Isis unveiled. Albert Pike used it in Morals and Dogma in the same century. You need to figure out whose side you are on! A christian didn't insert the phrase into the Message Bible...an occultist did!
You are accusing Eugene Peterson of being an occultist. I think you need more evidence than a single questionable phrase.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits..." (Matthew 7:16)
Shall I remind you that most of the major pseudo-Christian cults were founded when the KJV was the primary Bible in English? Shall I remind you that many heterodox beliefs on the fringes of Christianity are the result of misinterpreting the KJV? Do you really want to reduce this issue to half a verse taken out of context?
 
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You are accusing Eugene Peterson of being an occultist. I think you need more evidence than a single questionable phrase.
That is a fact because he put an occult axiom into his bible in an attempt to pervert the word of God! The evidence is in his fruit.

"O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof." (2 Kings 4:40)
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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The phrase has existed in occult writings long before any of us were born and long before it was put in any bible. Just google it!

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:..." Hosea 4:6
That would be his knowledge God is referring to. I don't think he is suggesting a complete course of occult study.
Are you the Gematria fellow that thinks the entire universe is built on the number 37 by any chance?
 

Dino246

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That is a fact because he put an occult axiom into his bible in an attempt to pervert the word of God! The evidence is in his fruit.

"O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof." (2 Kings 4:40)
You're using circular reasoning. Try presenting evidence of a link or a belief of Peterson's, other than that single phrase.
 
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Shall I remind you that most of the major pseudo-Christian cults were founded when the KJV was the primary Bible in English? Shall I remind you that many heterodox beliefs on the fringes of Christianity are the result of misinterpreting the KJV? Do you really want to reduce this issue to half a verse taken out of context?
And they had to add to the Bible (Book of Mormon) or change the Bible (New World Translation) to prove their doctrines. Why don't you apply the logic you spout to your own arguments and examples?

It's a non sequitur
 
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That would be his knowledge God is referring to. I don't think he is suggesting a complete course of occult study.
Are you the Gematria fellow that thinks the entire universe is built on the number 37 by any chance?
Did I say the entire universe is built on the number 37? If not then the answer would be no. I will however address anything I have said concerning the number 37 in the appropriate thread.
 
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You're using circular reasoning. Try presenting evidence of a link or a belief of Peterson's, other than that single phrase.
Do you deny that the phrase "as above so below" is not an occult axiom?
 

trofimus

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Do you deny that the phrase "as above so below" is not an occult axiom?
"Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
Mt 6:10, KJV

Its a Christian axiom.
 
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I think I just did.
"as above so below" does not equal ""Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."

Is the phrase "as above so below" an occult axiom or not?
 

Dino246

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And they had to add to the Bible (Book of Mormon) or change the Bible (New World Translation) to prove their doctrines. Why don't you apply the logic you spout to your own arguments and examples?
I do examine my posts for logic, and though I occasionally have to edit things, this isn't one of those times. You quoted, "By their fruits you shall know them" in response to my question, "What makes you think that satan was not at work in the development and translation of the KJV just as much as with newer translations?" My rhetorical questions follow the flow of thought.

Can you find evidence of any actual person promoting a false teaching that is based entirely on the wording of a recent translation? Alleged false teachings based on a KJV-onlyist's interpretation of something in a recent translation do not count. Since you argue for examination of fruit, please present the fruit for examination.
 

trofimus

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I am just curious who denies that the phrase "as above so below" is an occult axiom?
Who cares? Its totally unrelated to the question if it should be in the Bible or not. You would need to tear your KJV totally, if you wish to get rid of everything this world misused.

Concentrate on Christianity, not on the world.
 

Dino246

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"as above so below" does not equal ""Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."

I am just curious who denies that the phrase "as above so below" is an occult axiom?
Of course the one phrase does not "equal" the other... that's why it's called a paraphrase. However, given that KJV-onlyists will argue that any change in wording makes the other version "not equal", I would disregard this line of reasoning as irrelevant.

Nobody needs to deny the occult usage of the phrase; that is a burden-of-proof reversal. You need to provide evidence of the linkage and intention instead of simply pointing out a correlation which could as easily be quite innocent.
 
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I have presented fruit in the form of the phrase "as above so below" Are you going to answer the question Dino246? Yes or no answer will work.