GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Dan_473

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2014
9,054
1,051
113
You changing your posts now Dan? This I can agree with as we all are under the authority of God's LAW ( Because it is the knowledge of what SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (good and evil) is Rom 3:19-21).

Rom 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law
no change, i believe i posted that translation
before

glad we can agree

continuing on
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the authority of the law.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians5&version=NIRV
***********

posted from my phone, blessings!
 

Dan_473

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2014
9,054
1,051
113
Yep this does not change the meaning it is agreeing with what I have been sharing with you.
i believe it means that Under the law in Gal 4 probably means something different than how is used in Rom 3
 

Dan_473

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2014
9,054
1,051
113
I prefer the words of Jesus.

Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
it's a quote from Galatians

4-7*But when the time arrived that was set by God the Father, God sent his Son, born among us of a woman, born under the conditions of the law so that he might redeem those of us who have been kidnapped by the law. Thus we have been set free to experience our rightful heritage

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal4&version=MSG
 

Studyman

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2017
3,570
516
113
yes, so different context and different words

Leads to different meaning
Yes, being under the Law in Romans 3, is different than being under the Law in Gal. Paul mentions the word "LAW" many times. The definition of this word also changes from one context to another. The Law of Works is different than the Law of Faith. But Paul calls them both "LAW".

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Gal. 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


It looks as if Paul is contradicting himself. But he isn't if you understand the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith".
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,844
13,558
113
Yes, being under the Law in Romans 3, is different than being under the Law in Gal. Paul mentions the word "LAW" many times. The definition of this word also changes from one context to another. The Law of Works is different than the Law of Faith. But Paul calls them both "LAW".

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Gal. 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


It looks as if Paul is contradicting himself. But he isn't if you understand the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith".

where in Romans 2 do you imagine Paul is referring to anything other than the totality of the Mosaic Law when he says the word "
law" ?

when he writes by the Spirit to the Galatians ((and he says the very same thing to those in Rome)) he is not contradicting what he writes by the Spirit elsewhere, for it's also written, "
all have sinned" and "you who pass judgement, do the very same things"

no one is justified by the Law - which is a law of works - because everyone is condemned by it: "
we have already charged that Jew and Gentile alike are under the power of sin" -- "the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law"

but "
where is thy sting, o death?" -- because "in Him you have died" and "your life is hid in Christ" therefore "you are not under Law but grace"
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,844
13,558
113
if you understand the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith".

Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith

(Romans 3:27)

no one can boast, "
i keep the sabbath but this person does not"

and it is not a "
law of works" which excludes such boasting, but faith.

the man who prayed, "
have mercy" is the one who went home justified,
not the one who prayed, "
thank God i am not like those sinners who worship God on sunday"


 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
Hi Tourist,

Nice to see you.

A person that willingly practices known sin has not repented and therefore the shed blood of Jesus is to no effect.
Yes and No, what you have said above is true as some people never come to Jesus. But as Hebrews 6:4-8 and 10:26-31 says and the 50 scriptures in post # 5981 say (linked) you can be saved then turn away from God and go back to your life of sin and be lost.

A born again believer who has repented and confessed sin to Jesus and invited the Holy Spirit to live in his heart to guide him in his spiritual walk with the Lord may occasionally stumble because he has not been made perfect yet. That is a life long process.
Indeed this is growing in Christ or some like to use the term sanctification. Growing means to be gaining in the KNOWLEDGE of GOd's WORD rightly dividing the Word of truth and FOLLOWING him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. IF GOD reveals his truth to us however and we choose to reject God's WORD in order to follow our own ways, rejecting God's WORD makes us an unbeliever and can keep us out of God's KINGDOM especially if it is in regards to SIN (breaking God's COmmandments) and it why it is written;

Acts 17
30,
And the times of this ignorance God overlooked; but now commands all men everywhere to repent:
31, Because he has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; and of this he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from

When God gives us a KNOWLEDGE of his truth he expects us to BELIEVE it and FOLLOW what he says.

When we sin we confess our sin to God and with His great mercy and compassion will forgive us and reconcile us to Him. I believe that is what Jesus meant when He started to wash His disciples feet. Their bodies were clean but the feet become dirty from still living in the world they were still doing their best with what God has provided, performing the work that the Heavenly Father has prepared for them beforehand to accomplish.
SIN is SIN and if we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN. Salvation is from SIN. Jesus wantst to take SIN away from us but we can ONLY do so as we have complete FAITH and DEPENDENCE on God's WORD to do what it says it will do. We need to be like the CENTURIAN who said "Lord speak the WORD only". God's WORD is the POWER of CREATION to those who have FAITH and whe nhe bids us COME" we will walk on water when we BELIEVE. Of ourselves we can do NOTHING because we are sinners in need of a Saviour. I can do ALL things however through Christ who strenthens me.

It is NOT God's will that we SIN.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
What do you expect to accomplish by denying it when you were just shown an example of it?
You twisted Dan_473's words. Your doing so was pointed out to you! NOW YOU DENY IT! Perhaps I was too gentle when I accused you of intellectual dishonesty. I will correct that now:

YOU ARE AN UNMITIGATED LIAR!
Now can you recognize it as true?

Hello friend,

None of what you have posted has any truth in it whatsoever, as it is written; He whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I do not share my own words but the Word of him who sends me; What he tells me in secret I must preach on the housetops. He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me.
Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day.

He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Do you know the scriuptures posted above MarcR?

I am not quite sure what is more disturbing, what you have written or the likes you have received from your friends.

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).



 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
You out have to understand Bible correctly dear. Do do not make your own law, repent and stop make your own law dear bible say do not kill. It is in general and in the 10 commandment but bible also say stoned the sabbath violator. is to do the word(kill sabbath violator) mean not love to you? if yes, you have to repent dear, to do God will is love. You do not understand God will dear, you have to repent or not go to heaven.
Hello friend, you do not need to justify yourself to me my friend. You are free to BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE God's WORD. I do not judge you. It is the Word of God that you have rejected come judgement day that will testify for you or against you. You have been warned that those who continue to practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT Enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. What you do with God's WORD is between you and God. Not me and you.

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
What do you expect to accomplish by denying it when you were just shown an example of it?
You twisted Dan_473's words. Your doing so was pointed out to you! NOW YOU DENY IT! Perhaps I was too gentle when I accused you of intellectual dishonesty. I will correct that now:

YOU ARE AN UNMITIGATED LIAR!
Now can you recognize it as true?

Hello friend,

None of what you have posted has any truth in it whatsoever, as it is written; He whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I do not share my own words but the Word of him who sends me; What he tells me in secret I must preach on the housetops. He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me.
Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day.

He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Do you know the scriuptures posted above MarcR?

I am not quite sure what is more disturbing, what you have written or the likes you have received from your friends.

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

Studyman

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2017
3,570
516
113
=posthuman;3483923]

where in Romans 2 do you imagine Paul is referring to anything other than the totality of the Mosaic Law when he says the word "
law" ?


He answers your question in Rom. 3.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by(The Law of) faith without the deeds of the law. (Of Works)

Just like he said in Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law (of faith) shall be justified.

We know there are two Laws. One was "ADDED" because of the Transgression of the other.

Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

This ADDED Law pertained to two things. How God's instruction is administered, and how sin's are forgiven, both to be performed by a Specific bloodline called the Levites.

Jesus inspired Jeremiah to prepare us for the time when this Priesthood, and the "Works" associated with it would "change". (Jer. 31) The Mainstream preachers of His time wouldn't accept the "change" Jesus promised so they continued to promote their version of this "ADDED" Law of Works. The Jews were trying to "Bewitch" the Galatians with them.

The "Law of Faith" which Abraham obeyed, God's Ten Commandments, His Salvation plan Jesus called "His Feasts", etc., is the Law that we are judged by, not the "Law of Work's" performed by the Levites.

We are to bring ourselves in submission to the "Law of Faith", as Abraham did.

John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Was Abraham given the promise "BECAUSE" his sin was forgiven by "works of the Law" performed by the Levites as the "ADDED" Law dictated? No, Abraham was justified "Apart from this Law".

Levi wasn't even born yet. No, He was justified "BECAUSE", as it is written.

Gen. 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

This is the Law of Faith, and Paul confirms this in Rom. 2.

when he writes by the Spirit to the Galatians ((and he says the very same thing to those in Rome)) he is not contradicting what he writes by the Spirit elsewhere, for it's also written, "
all have sinned" and "you who pass judgement, do the very same things"

no one is justified by the Law - which is a law of works - because everyone is condemned by it: "
we have already charged that Jew and Gentile alike are under the power of sin" -- "the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law"

but "
where is thy sting, o death?" -- because "in Him you have died" and "your life is hid in Christ" therefore "you are not under Law but grace"
We are to "work" to bring forth "works" worthy of repentance. And our Labor to this end is not in vain as Paul teaches.

Not our religious "works", religious traditions, religious franchise doctrines lest we should boast.

Eph. 2:9 Not of (our) works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto HIS good works, which God hath before ordained that
we should walk in them.

1 Cor. 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, (Not my works) forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
Originally Posted by LoveGodForever


Not really friend, you should read your bible it is very clear you do not know him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

If you did you would know that SIN is breaking ANY of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8:12; 1 John 3:4). Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do NOT KNOW GOD (1 John 2:3-4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Will you be one of these people Jackson?

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

How does what you wrote go with what Paul said about himself. We all face this problem and keep sinning.

Romans 7 (NIV) New International Version

Released Frome the Law, Bound to Christ
1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know theat the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Hi Edoscopy, great question.

Some of my favourite chapters in Romans. Chapter 7 is the law of SIN and DEATH in sinful human nature (CARNAL MIND). Chapter 8 is walking in God's Spirit (MIND OF GOD; the WORD of GOD).

Chapter 7 is walking in the flesh (CARNAL MIND); Chapter 8 walking in the Spirit (WORD OF GOD).

Chapter 7 is the man before God's salvation. Chapter 8 is God's Salvation. The two chapter need to be read together.

Chapter 7 concludes with....

Romans 7
24,
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25, I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This is the new heart to LOVE (Romans 13:8-10) which is the NEW Covenant of God's LAW written in the heart (Mind; throughts and feelings; love; Hebrews 8:10-12)

continues.....

Romans 8
1,
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
3, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5, For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6, For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be
< Romans 7>.
8, So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9, But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10, And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11, But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.
12, Therefore, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13, For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
14, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15, For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Hope this helps.
 

Studyman

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2017
3,570
516
113

Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith

(Romans 3:27)

no one can boast, "
i keep the sabbath but this person does not"

and it is not a "
law of works" which excludes such boasting, but faith.

the man who prayed, "
have mercy" is the one who went home justified,
not the one who prayed, "
thank God i am not like those sinners who worship God on sunday"
For me it's not about this day or that. It's about acknowledging God's Word and letting Him direct my foot steps, not the Pope or Jimmy Swaggert.
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
Hello friend, you do not need to justify yourself to me my friend. You are free to BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE God's WORD. I do not judge you. It is the Word of God that you have rejected come judgement day that will testify for you or against you. You have been warned that those who continue to practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT Enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. What you do with God's WORD is between you and God. Not me and you.

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Dear, I just want to help you to understand the Word and repent.

to help you understand, let me ask you question dear

In OT era, did God love or hate?


[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Penalty for Violating the Sabbath[/h]32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

Why God ask congregation to stoned sabbath violator, becouse of Love or hate?

I beg you to answere these question and repent not accused God hate in OT.
 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
Dear, I just want to help you to understand the Word and repent.

to help you understand, let me ask you question dear

In OT era, did God love or hate?

Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)

Penalty for Violating the Sabbath

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

Why God ask congregation to stoned sabbath violator, becouse of Love or hate?

I beg you to answere these question and repent not accused God hate in OT.
Hello friend,

You have God's Word shared with you many times already but you choose not to BELIEVE that we are living in the NEW Covenant.

You do not need to justify yourself or your actions to me my friend.

You can choose to BELIEVE God's WORD or not to BELIEVE God's WORD. I do not judge you. Work out out own salvation with fear and trembling. It is God who will be your judge if you break his commandments not me.

It is the Word of God we accept or reject that will judge us all in the last days.

You have no rest because you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

Isaiah 48:22, There is no peace (REST), said the LORD, to the wicked (SIN).

Isaiah 57
20,
But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21, There is no peace (rest), said my God, to the wicked (SIN).

Hebrews 3
8,
Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4
1,
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Those who CONTINUE in UNBELIEF and UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,324
6,693
113

Hello friend,

None of what you have posted has any truth in it whatsoever, as it is written; He whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I do not share my own words but the Word of him who sends me; What he tells me in secret I must preach on the housetops. He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me.
Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day.

He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Do you know the scriuptures posted above MarcR?

I am not quite sure what is more disturbing, what you have written or the likes you have received from your friends.

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
him who sends you? huh, I thought ellen white was a woman...........
 
Jun 5, 2017
3,675
56
0
Originally Posted by LoveGodForever



Hello friend,

None of what you have posted has any truth in it whatsoever, as it is written; He whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I do not share my own words but the Word of him who sends me; What he tells me in secret I must preach on the housetops. He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me. Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day.

He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Do you know the scriuptures posted above MarcR?

I am not quite sure what is more disturbing, what you have written or the likes you have received from your friends.

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
him who sends you? huh, I thought ellen white was a woman...........
Hello friend, what is it from God's Word that you do not agree with?

If you know God's Word then you know God's WORD. If you LOVE God's WORD then you will FOLLOW God's WORD.

Quoting yourself over the word of God only shows you do not KNOW God's WORD or him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

All of the post you are responding to is God's Word, perhaps you did not know this because you do not know the Word of God.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS will have no part in God's KINGDOM unless they repent and BELIEVE the Gospel.
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,324
6,693
113
Hello friend, what is it from God's Word that you do not agree with?

If you know God's Word then you know God's WORD. If you LOVE God's WORD then you will FOLLOW God's WORD.

Quoting yourself over the word of God only shows you do not KNOW God's WORD or him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

All of the post you are responding to is God's Word, perhaps you did not know this because you do not know the Word of God.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS will have no part in God's KINGDOM unless they repent and BELIEVE the Gospel.
why don't you enlighten us on ms. white and the 28 points of being a sda . would love to hear that!