GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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My sins have been cleansed in the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.
If we are cleansed we are not doing them.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
The life which we now live in the flesh, which we live by the faith of the Son of GOD.

What is this Faith in which we preach?

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Law; the Word; the Spirit) down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Law; the Word; the Spirit) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Law; the Spirit) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

The life which we now live in the flesh, which we live by the faith of the Son of GOD. Therefore We receive the Spirit and are made perfect by the Spirit, by hearing (observing) this Faith that we now live by.

For we through the Spirit wait for the expectation of righteousness by (out of) faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

The life which we now live in the flesh, which we live by the faith of the Son of GOD. Therefore We receive the Spirit and are made perfect by the Spirit, by hearing (observing) this Faith that we now live by. We expect to be made righteous.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil (do) the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
(Gal 2:20-21 3:1-3; 5:5-6,16-21)

The life which we now live in the flesh, which we live by the faith of the Son of GOD. Therefore We receive the Spirit and are made perfect by the Spirit, by the hearing (observing) this Faith that we now live by.

We expect to be made righteous and We shall not fulfill the lust of the Flesh. For we cannot do the things that we would because of the Spirit through the Faith in which we now live (love) by. We have put on Christ and now live by that which we have put on and cannot do the things that we would have. We are no longer under the Schoolmaster because we have become that that which it taught. That which it taught is now who we are through Christ. For GOD has said this the Covenant I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. For we are all one in Christ; the Temple of the LIVING GOD and it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. If we are doing the things that are contrary to GOD's working in us; HIS Spirit; the Faith; the indwelling Christ; The Law; HIS Word in our hearts, minds and mouths, that we do it we shall not inherit the Kingdom of GOD. We are condemned!
 
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Nonsense. If you are living in sin knowingly you are not HIS; you are not saved, you are condemned.
(Col_2:16-17) So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

a. So let no one judge you: The opening “so” is important. It connects this thought with the previous thought. Because Jesus won such a glorious victory on the cross, we are to let no one judge you in food or in drink or in other matters related to legalism. A life that is centred on Jesus and what He did on the cross has no place for legalism.

i. “It would be preposterous indeed for those who had reaped the benefit of Christ’s victory to put themselves voluntarily under the control of the powers which he had conquered.” (Bruce)

b. Food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come: The Old Testament law had certain provisions that are done away with in Jesus, regarding such things as food and sabbaths. It isn’t that those laws were bad, simply that they were a shadow of things to come. Once the substance - Jesus Christ - has come, we don’t need to shadow any more.

i. The point is clear: days and foods, as observed under the Mosaic Law, are not binding upon New Covenant people. The shadow has passed, the reality has come. So for the Christian, all foods are pure (1Ti_4:4-5) and all days belong to God.

ii. Christians are therefore free to keep a kosher diet or to observe the sabbath if they please. There is nothing wrong with those things. However, they cannot think that eating kosher or sabbath observance makes them any closer to God, and they cannot judge another brother or sister who does not observe such laws.
(David Guzik)
 

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If we are cleansed we are not doing them.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
The life which we now live in the flesh, which we live by the faith of the Son of GOD.
RED: Correct.

Now ask yourself what it is that millions of Christians are NOT doing. Then refer back to my previous post that explains why Christians do not keep the shadow that has passed, but instead keep the reality that has come.
 

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RED: Correct.

Now ask yourself what it is that millions of Christians are NOT doing. Then refer back to my previous post that explains why Christians do not keep the shadow that has passed, but instead keep the reality that has come.
Please reread the post that you responded to.

Off to work. Have a good day.
 

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........ We expect to be made righteous and We shall not fulfill the lust of the Flesh. For we cannot do the things that we would because of the Spirit through the Faith in which we now live (love) by. We have put on Christ and now live by that which we have put on and cannot do the things that we would have. We are no longer under the Schoolmaster because we have become that that which it taught. That which it taught is now who we are through Christ. For GOD has said this the Covenant I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. For we are all one in Christ; the Temple of the LIVING GOD and it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. If we are doing the things that are contrary to GOD's working in us; HIS Spirit; the Faith; the indwelling Christ; The Law; HIS Word in our hearts, minds and mouths, that we do it we shall not inherit the Kingdom of GOD. We are condemned!
I can honestly say the defunct Old Testament law that requires me to keep Saturday above other days, is most certainly NOT written on my heart. The other commandments are, but not that one.

And that is the testimony of someone who lives in close harmony with the LORD.
 

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Hello Jackson,

You are a funny one my friend. Now you either do not read any of the posts I send you or your just telling lies which is it? Shame on you Jackson.

ALL your POSTS and Questions in your posts have been answered all through this thread. Where did I promise you anything if I already answered your posts and questions? SEE the most recent here POSTS # 6079 (LINKED CLICK ME) and click the links in that post. Your same questions have been answered already 100+ pages ago links supplied.

POST # 6081 (LINKED CLICK ME) shows you do not know God's WORD my friend and are in danger of losing your salvation unless you turn to God.

Do you disagree? Respond to the posts I have sent you with scripture showing why you disagree. If you cannot you should BELIEVE God's WORD.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
You not answere my question dear, just short unswere, you say you not kill sabbath violator because you call to love. God command to kill it, is God call to hate? Yes or no, no more then one sentence.
OT regulate how to observe sabbath, example kill violator what kind of regulation is your sabbath, who regulate?

do not try to avoid to unswere with hundred sentences to make like you unswere but not. Straight forward unswere
 

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I can honestly say the defunct Old Testament law that requires me to keep Saturday above other days, is most certainly NOT written on my heart. The other commandments are, but not that one.

And that is the testimony of someone who lives in close harmony with the LORD.
Amen! References for 9 of the 10 commandments from the Old Testament are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Truth. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9) :(
 

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Here you go already posted this maybe you need to read it again...

The literal translation of GREEK translation of GAL 5:18 (Linked) says...

If the Spirit you are led by you are not UNDER THE LAW

New International Version
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

English Standard Version
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Berean Study Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Berean Literal Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

New American Standard Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

King James Bible
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Christian Standard Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
International Standard Version
But if you are being led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
NET Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
New Heart English Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But if you are led by The Spirit, you are not under The Written Law.

New American Standard 1977
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Jubilee Bible 2000
But if ye are led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

King James 2000 Bible
But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law.

American King James Version
But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law.

American Standard Version
But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law.

Darby Bible Translation
but if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under law.

English Revised Version
But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Webster's Bible Translation
But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

World English Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Young's Literal Translation
and if by the Spirit ye are led, ye are not under law.


To be UNDER THE LAW means to be GUILTY of SIN. God’s LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. SIN is breaking ANY of God's commandments (James 2:8-12)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
no, there's no definite article (the word "the") there

here's the copy paste from the link


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mailmandan,
re: "4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17"


I don't see how you get that from Colossians 2:16-17. Where does it say that the Sabbath is not binding on the Church?
 

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Only in the sense that all mankind are under the authority of God's LAW not in reference to the scriptures you quoted. God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20) we do not KNOW what SIN is without it. UNDER THE LAW as in Romans 3:19-23 is in reference to breaking it. as already shown through the scriptures
Rom 3:19 "under the law" is a different set of words in Greek

so, regarding Galatians, what we can definitely say is that we read it differently
 

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mailmandan,
re: "4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17"


I don't see how you get that from Colossians 2:16-17. Where does it say that the Sabbath is not binding on the Church?
Really? Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. How does that equate to the Sabbath day is binding on the Church under the New Covenant? Where is the Church commanded to keep the Sabbath day holy under the New Covenant?
 

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You have it wrong. We WERE under law in the days of Moses, but not now. Today, those in Christ are under Grace.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Rom 6:14)

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
yes, Rom 6:14
not under law
under grace
 

mailmandan

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Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
 
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Amen! References for 9 of the 10 commandments from the Old Testament are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
Now MMD now your just making up stuff again or you do not know God's Word. Which one is it?

How can you know what the Gospel is if you do not know the Word of God? Let me help you my friend it seems you have missed out a lot of scriptures here.

God's 10 commandments referenced in the New Testament

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You shall have no other gods before Me. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)
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You must not make for yourself a carved image and bow down to worship them (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)
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You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. (1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)
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Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10
Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)
5 Honour your father and mother. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)
6 You shall not murder. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)
7 You shall not commit adultery. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)
8 You shall not steal. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)
9 You shall not bear false witness. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)
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You shall not covet your neighbours possessions. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

Yep looks like there is a lot of scriptures here you left out. Did you do that on purpose? We have not even looked at all the scriptures in the NT on the 10 commandments on which the 4th commandment is one of the ten.

You ignore God's Word in order to follow your Catholic tradition that has led many to break the Commandments of God.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
Your post above only shows you do not KNOW what the OLD COVENANT is and what the NEW COVENANT is. You get the SHADOW laws fulfilled in Jesus mixed up with God's LAW which is forever.

God's Israel in the NEW COVENANT are those that BELIEVE GOD'S WORD and FOLLOW it. (Galatians 3:16; Romans 9:6; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Romans 2:28-29).

If you are not a part of God's Israel, then you have NO PART in the NEW COVENANT (Jeremiah 31:33-4
; Hebrews 8:10-12; Hebrews 10:14-17; Hebrews 8:10-12). Gentiles are now grafted in (Romans 11:17-27).

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Yes this is the scripture that the OP is about here in this thread. Did you wish to address the OP here which disagrees with your interpretation of the scriptures ? Simply stating the scripture that the OP is duscussing does not address the OP and the scriptures there that disagree with you.

SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Truth.Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9) :(
Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
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And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
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And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
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Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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I can honestly say the defunct Old Testament law that requires me to keep Saturday above other days, is most certainly NOT written on my heart. The other commandments are, but not that one.

And that is the testimony of someone who lives in close harmony with the LORD.
The Pharisees also had some of God’s Commandments written on their heart, not all of them, just the ones their god promoted. They omitting some of the Commandments that they found, that they saw, that they judged of unworthy of their respect. Jesus said the should have included the Commandments they omitted and not to leave the others undone. This is how we know if we are following the true Jesus or one created in our own mind.
 

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We shouldn't pull scripture out of context. Galatians has 6 chapters. We will take a look at the immediate context of chapter 5 and the verse you quoted. But first let's take a look at the over all


Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

To reveal his Son in us, that we might preach him among the heathen; that they glorify God in us.

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed into Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

We are crucified with Christ: nevertheless we live; yet not us, but Christ liveth in us: and the life which we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved us, and gave himself for us.

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ.

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ.

But before faith came, (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.(The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) But after that faith (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ (even we have believed into Jesus Christ). There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ)

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ). For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) which worketh by love.

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ)

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual (of the Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) , restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ)

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit (The Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

But God forbid that we should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto us, and we unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. (of the Faith which we now live through Christ that is of Christ) For We are crucified with Christ: nevertheless we live; yet not us, but Christ liveth in us: and the life which we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved us, and gave himself for us.

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;


For the LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of our seed. For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The Word (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances; Christ, the Word manifested in the flesh manifested in our flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart and in thy hand: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach. And that my friend is the GOSPEL. Christ in us the hope of Glory; GOD!

(Gal 1:4,16,24;2:20,16 3:2-3,11,23-28; 4:4-6,19;5:5-6, 14, 16-21,24-25, 6:1-2, 7-8,14-15; 2Co 3:3-5; Rom.10:6-8; Deut 30:6,10-14)
yes, We shouldn't pull scripture out of context.

at the same time, we can't put a thousand words in each post, so some editing is necessary.

so, Galatians was written in response to something

probably a situation like this

Acts 15: 5. But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses." - Bible Offline

what did those men mean by The law of Moses?

they probably included the ten commandments

does Paul separate them back out in his letter?
 
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Hi MMD you seem to be always saying the same things but never addressing and posts or scriptures sent to help you.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
Your post above only shows you do not KNOW what the OLD COVENANT is and what the NEW COVENANT is. You get the SHADOW laws fulfilled in Jesus mixed up with God's LAW which is forever.

God's Israel in the NEW COVENANT are those that BELIEVE GOD'S WORD and FOLLOW it. (Galatians 3:16; Romans 9:6; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Romans 2:28-29).

If you are not a part of God's Israel, then you have NO PART in the NEW COVENANT (Jeremiah 31:33-4; Hebrews 8:10-12; Hebrews 10:14-17; Hebrews 8:10-12). Gentiles are now grafted in (Romans 11:17-27).

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).
Burnt offerings

This section of your post only shows you do NOT KNOW what the OLD Covenant is and the NEW Covenant and the difference between God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the Mosaic book of the Covenant for remission of SINS which are the shadow laws pointing to Jesus (Col 2:14-17 see above already addressed). We are living in the NEW Covenant now and not living in the OLD Covenant of animal sacrifices and sin offerings which all pointed to Jesus as our one true sacrifice (Hebrews 9-10). These is also NO command in God's 4th Commandment to offer burnt offereings now is there (Ex 20:8-11)? More supporting scripture here for those interested (Linked)

No kindling a fire

The scripture context is in relation to work not work is to be done on the Sabbath if all preparation is done beforehand it is ok to do good on the Sabbath.

Remain in his place (No Travelling)

Now your only twisting the scriptures to try and say soemthing that it is not. The Exodus CONTEXT of Exodus 20:29 is in relation to not going out and collecting manner on the Sabbath (Ex 20:16-30). Also if your interpretation was true please why Jesus and all the Apostles travelled to the synagogue on the Sabbath?

Trading and Marketing

Of course there is not to be trading and marketing on God's Sabbath. This is the same as doing business or working on the Sabbath which is a HOLY day God has made for rest. No work is to be conducted on the Sabbath according to God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11).

This section of your post proves you do not KNOW the difference between the Covenant Shadow laws pointing to Jesus and God's LAW (10 Commandments) which are forever and shows your confusion between the OLD and the NEW Covenant. If you do not understand what the God's Covenants are how can you know what the Gospel is?

Indeed you are following strong delusions and believing a lie in order to follow your Catholic traditions that break the commandments of God.

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
Here you mix up the CIVIL laws of Israel in the OLD Covenant. We are living in the NEW Covenant now and not living in Israel under their CIVIL LAWS. What you did not say however is that under the OLD COVENANT, CIVIL laws of Israel most people were put to death for openly breaking most of God's 10 Commandments.

Death Penalties under the CIVIL laws of Israel in the Old Covenant.

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[TD] SIN[/TD]
[TD] REFERENCE[/TD]
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[TD] First[/TD]
[TD] Serviing other Gods[/TD]
[TD] Deut 13:6-18; 1Sam 26:19[/TD]
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[TD] Idolatary [/TD]
[TD] Deut 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15;
Deut 7:25-26
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[TD] Third[/TD]
[TD] Using God's name in Vain[/TD]
[TD] Lev 24:10-17 [/TD]
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[TD] Fourth[/TD]
[TD] Breaking Sabbath[/TD]
[TD] Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2[/TD]
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[TD] Fifth[/TD]
[TD] Dishonor Parents[/TD]
[TD] Lev 20:9; Deut 21:18-21; Ex 21:17[/TD]
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[TD] Sixth[/TD]
[TD] Murder[/TD]
[TD] Ex 21:12-14[/TD]
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[TD] Adultery[/TD]
[TD] Lev 20; John 8:5[/TD]
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[TD] Stealing (kidnapping)[/TD]
[TD] Ex 21:16[/TD]
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[TD] Ninth[/TD]
[TD] Lying[/TD]
[TD] Deuteronomy 19:15-21[/TD]
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[TD] Tenth[/TD]
[TD] Coveting[/TD]
[TD] none [/TD]
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These are the CIVIL law death penalties for openly breaking God's Commandments for the nation of Israel under the OLD COVENANT to teach God's people the WAGES of SIN is DEATH.

The ONLY thing that is changed in the NEW Covenant is that the DEATH penalty will be enforced at the 2nd coming for those who reject the gift of God's dear son who choose to live their life in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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You not answere my question dear, just short unswere, you say you not kill sabbath violator because you call to love. God command to kill it, is God call to hate? Yes or no, no more then one sentence.
OT regulate how to observe sabbath, example kill violator what kind of regulation is your sabbath, who regulate? do not try to avoid to unswere with hundred sentences to make like you unswere but not. Straight forward unswere
Hello Jackson

All your posts and questions have been answered here dear. Please read the posts to find your answers and the scriptures in God's Word that disagree with you.

SEE the most recent here POSTS # 6079 (LINKED CLICK ME) and click the links in that post. Your same questions have been answered already 100+ pages ago links supplied in the post above.

POST # 6081 (LINKED CLICK ME) shows you do not know God's WORD my friend and are in danger of losing your salvation unless you turn to God.

If you disagree please tell me how these posts do not answer your questions.

Also, why do you ignore the post and the scriptures in POST # 6081 (LINKED CLICK ME) that show you by your own admission that if you break God's LAW you will not enter God's KINGDOM?

It does not look good for you come judgment day.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).