The proper interpretation of Scriptures
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It was Satan showing the kingdoms of the world, and was trying to get Jesus to worship Him for it.
It's kinda like when the Rich man came to the Lord Jesus Christ, and talked to Him, signifying that nothing in the world can compare to believing and trusting in God.
Matthew 4: 7 Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’[d]”
8 Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 “I will give it all to you,” he said, “if you will kneel down and worship me.”
10 “Get out of here, Satan,” Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say,
‘You must worship the Lord your God
and serve only him.’[e]”
11 Then the devil went away, and angels came and took care of Jesus.
This is the way I look at it personally.
Satan was like here is the world you can have it all, and you don't need God at all. Basically.
It's kinda like when the Rich man came to the Lord Jesus Christ, and talked to Him, signifying that nothing in the world can compare to believing and trusting in God.
Matthew 4: 7 Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’[d]”
8 Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 “I will give it all to you,” he said, “if you will kneel down and worship me.”
10 “Get out of here, Satan,” Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say,
‘You must worship the Lord your God
and serve only him.’[e]”
11 Then the devil went away, and angels came and took care of Jesus.
This is the way I look at it personally.
Satan was like here is the world you can have it all, and you don't need God at all. Basically.
In case you didn't understand my point.
Jesus who is God, the creator of all universe sent His disciples to all the nations and tribes of the world so that they can preach the good news as a witness to them before the end comes. I do believe Jesus when He says the whole world and all the tribes. He also empowered them with the Holy spirit who gave them the ability to speak in all the languages of that time to enable the spreading of the gospel.
Mexico/Brazil/New Zealand/South Africa/Australia/Russia e.t.c were not part of the disciples itinerary and definitely not part of the whole world as per Jesus because we know where the disciples covered.
Someone else thinks that point of view is the dumbest thing this years because they visited Mexico. How did they know? rock dating is their answer.
I know this arguments very well; the same people keep saying that Christianity has borrowed from pagan religions that existed before Christianity. They are wrong in all fronts.
I think I understand but cannot agree with everything you wrote...
The whole world is part of the Great Commission, yes. All of it, whether "known" about at the time or not!
Just because the disciples did not get to these places in no way excludes them from the Great Commission. The Great Commission is for every generation of Christians - not just the initial bunch of disciples. Also, how do you explain the fact that Thomas ended up in southern India and established a church there, that still thrives 2000 years later. That was not included in your version of the known world, now was it?
In this you are very confused. No one in this thread has made that assertion. You have misread Angela's post. All she was saying, and it is correct, is that there were people in places like Mexico at the time of Christ - in other words: the kingdoms that the devil showed to Jesus could well have included Mexico and many other places that were not then known to history.
In no way was she suggesting that Christianity borrowed from Paganism. For the life of me I cannot understand how you would think that given what she wrote!!!
Most of your objections are based on misunderstanding - I hope this clears the air...
Matthew 28: 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Here is something a lot of people miss.
Jesus Christ was talking to his Chosen Disciples and were told to Go out to make disciples of all nations... Now if you look at this in the context of when Jesus Christ said it, it would mean they were to go out to the nations surrounding them at the time...
People use it as if Jesus Christ talking to them personally when He is not talking to them personally.
The Nations that existed back then were the only Nations around.
We can tell people about God, and Jesus Christ freely but many people miss the fact that Jesus Christ isn't talking to them personally yet to his actual Disciples at the time.
You go and see that they did what Jesus Christ said and you can see that in the book of Acts, a book I have refused to read fully, until some part in my life when I am ready to really read it.
Here is something a lot of people miss.
Jesus Christ was talking to his Chosen Disciples and were told to Go out to make disciples of all nations... Now if you look at this in the context of when Jesus Christ said it, it would mean they were to go out to the nations surrounding them at the time...
People use it as if Jesus Christ talking to them personally when He is not talking to them personally.
The Nations that existed back then were the only Nations around.
We can tell people about God, and Jesus Christ freely but many people miss the fact that Jesus Christ isn't talking to them personally yet to his actual Disciples at the time.
You go and see that they did what Jesus Christ said and you can see that in the book of Acts, a book I have refused to read fully, until some part in my life when I am ready to really read it.
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That cannot be true!
The task Jesus gave to the disciples could never ever have been completed in their lifetimes.
It is not even complete now!
It is very clear that the Great Commission is the founding purpose of the church and as relevant now as it ever was...
It could even be said that: the mission of the church is Missions!
Given the fact that you have not even read the Book of Acts (your admission) makes you singularly unqualified to pass any judgement about what it says...
Perhaps you need to read more...
It depends on how you want to see it but according to Mark, this applied to the initial disciples and of course the apostles and other disciples that the initial disciples had appointed.
Mark 13:9So be on your guard. You will be handed over to the councils and beaten in the synagogues. On My account, you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all the nations. 11But when they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand what to say. Instead, speak whatever you are given at that time, for it will not be you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
On what basis does one conclude that Mexico was inhabited during Jesus' time? i'm sure it's not scriptural but other means Scientific/rocks & artifact dating means. I know these are not accurate means.
I still don't get it- were you telling me to revise my post because it disagrees with your view or what was it all about?
Actually, I think it is pretty clear that your interpretation is off the wall. I have never even heard anyone seriously take your position until now - and a heavyweight Bible scholar you are not...
Indeed, the book of acts is accounts of how the disciples and other appointed apostles reached out to the entire world and preached the gospel as a witness to the nations. They could witness in all the tongues/local dialects as they were inspired by the Holy spirit. It is for this reason that the antichrist was held for some time and as soon as they finished, the antichrist pursued and killed them.
Amazing, and yet you have never even read the book!
Actually the Acts of the Apostles was never completed, because the task was never completed...
Hello MattG,
Do you understand that what is written in the word of God is to all generations until He returns? Below is the entire context of what the Lord said:
"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."
Prior to the scripture you provided, Jesus was talking about end-time events. Then He said, "When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another." Therefore, the Lord's reference to "you will not finish going through the towns of Israel," is regarding them fleeing from town to town from persecution and that they would not have gone through all the towns of Israel fleeing from said persecution before the Son of Man comes.
You need to understand that, when the Lord is speaking about end-time events, that His word is to those who are living at the time when those things begin to take place.
Read the whole context, not part of it.
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There is plenty of evidence that Mexico was inhabited in the time of Jesus, just as the whole of Africa was, and Asia. North America was also inhabited, and the inhabitation of South America was underway. Australia was inhabited at that time too. New Zealand was, however, only inhabited by sea-going Polynesians about 700 years ago. The point is that nearly everywhere that there were human beings 2000 years ago is inhabited today.
The second point is that you made some accusations against Angela that are not valid. You have not addressed them despite me pointing out the problem.
If you want to find out what the Great Commission is all about why not look at all different accounts including the one in Acts. The fact that Jesus' words were addressed to people who were alive 2000 years ago in no way negates their relevance to us today. The Great Commission is the founding purpose of the church and it is still a work in progress today...
Good, so what are the evidences?
I never made an accusation against anyone and i don't see anything to address apart from what we are discussing.
I don't want to find anything on great commission because i know what it is. The speaking in tongues/ the stepping on serpents/ the raising of the dead/ all the miracles applied to the disciples because they were appointed to witness to the nations and miracles would make the people believe even more. Those things don't apply now- the speaking in tongues today is mocking/ you decide to take poison you'll just die/ try picking up a snake and see what happens/ raising the dead is not for us. Spreading the gospel today is mostly commercial.
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Well, like I said, You'll just end up arguing with what scripture does say. So It doesn't matter what you think I think about what it says, it is about what it says that you should consider.
I didn't see anyone else standing around... when Jesus Christ told His disciples, to go and teach them
Matthew 10: 23 When you are persecuted in one town, flee to the next. I tell you the truth, the Son of Man will return before you have reached all the towns of Israel.
This was told to the disciples, same thing in Matthew 28, He was speaking to his disciples the chosen. So up to you what you believe, you can argue with scripture if you want to, but my logical reasoning is worth what it is worth.
Thank God for Context, and Who, what, when, why, and how format of looking. God bless, in the Lord Jesus Christ name to you, your friends, and family.
I didn't see anyone else standing around... when Jesus Christ told His disciples, to go and teach them
Matthew 10: 23 When you are persecuted in one town, flee to the next. I tell you the truth, the Son of Man will return before you have reached all the towns of Israel.
This was told to the disciples, same thing in Matthew 28, He was speaking to his disciples the chosen. So up to you what you believe, you can argue with scripture if you want to, but my logical reasoning is worth what it is worth.
Thank God for Context, and Who, what, when, why, and how format of looking. God bless, in the Lord Jesus Christ name to you, your friends, and family.
Also incase you guys missed what I said about this passage Tro was sharing with us, this is one way it can be simply seen. Cheers Guys!