Meat sacrificed to idols (Halal) YES or NO

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Noose

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DevotiontoBible said:
I don't know that Islam's Allah would be considered an idol since there is no image.
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Did you read what Paul says especially here:

1 Cor 10: 19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

There are so many idols but some idols are not just objects that can not listen or talk, some idols are actually demons.
 
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Noose said:
Did you read what Paul says especially here:

1 Cor 10:19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

There are so many idols but some idols are not just objects that can not listen or talk, some idols are actually demons.
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You are missing Paul's point totally, he is speaking about being actively involved in those sacrifices, not meat being slaughtered Halal.
 
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Locutus said:
They do sacrifice animals at Eid Ul Adha, but that is not the same as Halal.

I think you are trying to conflate the two. You might not want to eat Eid meat.
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The same manner they slaughter during eid is the same manner they slaughter the normal meat that goes to the market. The animal faces mecca/black stone and a prayer is said over the animal before slaughtering. How is this not a sacrifice?
 
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Noose said:
The same manner they slaughter during eid is the same manner they slaughter the normal meat that goes to the market. The animal faces mecca/black stone and a prayer is said over the animal before slaughtering. How is this not a sacrifice?
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The intent is different - I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. A sacrifice has a specific purpose.
 
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Locutus said:
You are missing Paul's point totally, he is speaking about being actively involved in those sacrifices, not meat being slaughtered Halal.
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Paul was talking about the meat in the market in Corinth and he drew a correlation between how Israelites used to share the meat after sacrifice saying that even those at home eating the meat would have partaken in the table of the sacrifice, similarly people taking meat from the market that was sacrificed to demons are also partaking the sacrifice.
 
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And this helps the OP how Trof?
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Just an information.

For example, its not just about halal, but also about Jewish kosher meat:

"While the Jews accept absolutely no stunning, some Muslims have accepted it as long as it can be shown that the animal could be returned to normal living consciousness. "
 
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Noose said:
Paul was talking about the meat in the market in Corinth and he drew a correlation between how Israelites used to share the meat after sacrifice saying that even those at home eating the meat would have partaken in the table of the sacrifice, similarly people taking meat from the market that was sacrificed to demons are also partaking the sacrifice.
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Paul is comparing the two - but there is a difference, the Israelites were in fact taking part in a sacrificial ceremony as were the pagans.

Halal slaughter is not a sacrifice - you are trying to make slaughtering according to a religious method a sacrifice - they are not one and the same.
 
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And, do not confuse me with this kind:


1 Tim 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
 
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You are already confused - you don't need any help from me.
 
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Locutus said:
Paul is comparing the two - but there is a difference, the Israelites were in fact taking part in a sacrificial ceremony as were the pagans.

Halal slaughter is not a sacrifice - you are trying to make slaughtering according to a religious method a sacrifice - they are not one and the same.
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I think it is, the slaughter is dedicated to their god.
 
Locutus

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Well, carry on eating carrots then.
 
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Locutus said:
You are already confused - you don't need any help from me.
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Why?
Paul's ending is also interesting, he says we should eat everything in the market. This shows that some in Corinth of weak conscience like me had asked Paul about the meat in their market. It seems they were complaining that the meat was mixed with the ones from sacrificial practice elsewhere and Paul warned them yet finalized by saying, overally, the should eat the meat from the market.


1 Cor 10:The Believer’s Freedom23“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.25Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[SUP]f[/SUP]27If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.
 
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Right, If you don't know a meat has been sacrificed to idols, go on and eat it, if you do know ,don't eat it. But if it has been sacrificed to idols, and offered to you at the table , you must eat it in order not to offend the person that have offered it to you.
 
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You started a thread with a yes or no question - you had your mind made up already.

Yet when I state that Halal slaughtering is not a sacrifice you haven't been able to distinguish the two with any logical "argument".

Do Imams do the slaughtering in a priestly function or is it just a regular Muslim follower?
 
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If you think that Allah is something, dont eat meat sacrificed for him.

Easy, there is probably nothing to discuss.

If somebody has a strong faith and does not consider Allah to be worth of anything, he can eat.

IMHO.

But of course, its better not to eat, so that weaker brothers are not tempted to eat too.
 
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