Meat sacrificed to idols (Halal) YES or NO

[Locutus]

If the OP is so worried about the name of allah being used he better flee the country - taxis, shops, airplanes they all use the word allah.

Better not get out of bed in the morning in case one of those Muslims wishes him greeting with the name allah in there.

 

[Ezekiel8]

I agree that it is not good to eat "halal" meat. I ate it once when I was younger and naïve. There was a new arab market in the town and I being younger and naïve figured I'd give them a chance and try to be nice to our new muslim townsfolk thinking like someone here mentioned that it was just like kosher food, that is to say, it is simply a clean animal, and thinking in error that islam was an Abrahamic religion and thinking in error that the name of their idol was merely the Arabic word for God (which is it is not, and actually this episode would go on to actually quite help me realize what exactly islam is).

Well it turned out I was very wrong in my thinking of that time. The halal food burnt my mouth and throat when I ate it almost immediately even though it was a cold dish ( merely grape leaves with cold chicken meat and rice) and I asked if there were spices in it as I was coughing and choking on it and the man and his wife that owned the shop said slightly amused at me said to me there were no spices in it at all. So I swallowed it down not wanting to be rude and then it like instantly made my whole body feel dried out and extraordinarily weak immediately upon swallowing it. I walked home uphill a mile feeling utterly sick and weak and just dried out I guess would be the best explanation though the dryness was like nothing I ever experienced before nor after, for it was not just a dryness of like my mouth and throat, but my whole body felt utterly dried out. As I walked I was wondering to myself why I was feeling the way I did, for I have never felt such like that from eating anything.

As I wondered a gentle voice uttered to me the same verses you have cited here and so made me wonder whether or not halal food is indeed food sacrificed to idols. So later on when I felt better I did some research on halal food and Islamic animal sacrifice, and also began to study what Islam is exactly, though that's a much broader topic. Basically to keep it short, "halal" meat is not the same thing as kosher type food which is merely foods which fall under the guidelines of Torah. "Halal" meat is meat from animals which muslims sacrifice particularly to honor their idol in Mecca, the animal must face the idol of Mecca, and they say "in the name of (their idol)" before slaughtering the animal. So I must agree having learned the hard way, it is no good to eat so-called "halal" meat, it is indeed a meat which is sacrificed, and it is sacrificed to an idol.

 

[trofimus]

If the OP is so worried about the name of allah being used he better flee the country - taxis, shops, airplanes they all use the word allah.

Better not get out of bed in the morning in case one of those Muslims wishes him greeting with the name allah in there.

Where should he flee? Western world is being filled with muslims too. Asia, maybe.

 

[Noose]

Right, If you don't know a meat has been sacrificed to idols, go on and eat it, if you do know ,don't eat it. But if it has been sacrificed to idols, and offered to you at the table , you must eat it in order not to offend the person that have offered it to you.

Precisely what Paul says, thanks Gab but is halal a sacrifice to an idol? do people know it?

 

[Noose]

You started a thread with a yes or no question - you had your mind made up already.

Yet when I state that Halal slaughtering is not a sacrifice you haven't been able to distinguish the two with any logical "argument".

Do Imams do the slaughtering in a priestly function or is it just a regular Muslim follower?

You call it a religious slaughter- a religious slaughter is sacrifice. Their god says it is worship if they eat halal.

 

[Noose]

If the OP is so worried about the name of allah being used he better flee the country - taxis, shops, airplanes they all use the word allah.

Better not get out of bed in the morning in case one of those Muslims wishes him greeting with the name allah in there.

Exod 22: 13"Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.

It is for humility.

Dan 1:8 But Daniel made up his mind that he would not defilehimself with the king's choice food or with the winewhich he drank; so he sought permission from the commander of the officials that he might not defilehimself.

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]There is not any case taht meat sacrificed to idols is permissible to be eaten;

Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:25, "But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 2:2, “I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false."[/FONT]

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[Noose]

There is not any case taht meat sacrificed to idols is permissible to be eaten;

Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that youabstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”



Acts 21:25, "But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”




Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality."

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."


Revelation 2:2, “I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false."

Yes but there are 2 kinds of idols:
1. stones and carvings that can neither hear or see- food sacrificed to these kind of idols mean nothing as the idols themselves mean nothing according to Paul

1 Cor 8:1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3But whoever loves God is known by God.[SUP]a[/SUP]4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

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2. Demons
1 Cor 10:19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons

 

[Locutus]

You call it a religious slaughter- a religious slaughter is sacrifice. Their god says it is worship if they eat halal.

I don't agree - just don't eat at the allah snackbar...

 

[Depleted]

Paul was talking about the meat in the market in Corinth and he drew a correlation between how Israelites used to share the meat after sacrifice saying that even those at home eating the meat would have partaken in the table of the sacrifice, similarly people taking meat from the market that was sacrificed to demons are also partaking the sacrifice.

Paul wrote one verse. You turned the verse into a dissertation.

For Israel, the food sacrifices could either not be eaten at all, eaten only by the priest, eaten by the Levites-at-large, or even eaten by the one who offered it. (Thanksgiving offerings.)

So, since you know so much about what the Corinthians were doing, how did they come to obtain this meat? (I'm really asking. I have no idea what the religious rituals were for the Greeks at that time.)

 

[Depleted]

You started a thread with a yes or no question - you had your mind made up already.

Yet when I state that Halal slaughtering is not a sacrifice you haven't been able to distinguish the two with any logical "argument".

Do Imams do the slaughtering in a priestly function or is it just a regular Muslim follower?

Imams do the slaughtering in a priestly function. Yup. It's a thing. Just like kosher meat on the market is a thing too.

Halal is just coming to North America now. It's a bigger thing in Europe. And, in the northern part of Africa and in the Middle East it's the only thing, unless you do your own butchering.

Considering Noose is in that part of the world, he does have a legitimate stake in this discussion. This isn't some hyperbolic, philosophical, doesn't-really-matter discussion.

 

[Locutus]

"Slaughtering must be done by a sane adult Muslim. Animals slaughtered by a Non Muslim will not be Halal."

No mention of Imams here.

And no mention of sacrifice.

Islamic Method of Slaughtering - Department of Halal Certification



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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

As I see it, eating anything is only a problem to someone if they believe it is a problem, or if doing so would cause another to stumble because of lack of faith.

 

[Depleted]

"Slaughtering must be done by a sane adult Muslim. Animals slaughtered by a Non Muslim will not be Halal."

No mention of Imams here.

And no mention of sacrifice.

Islamic Method of Slaughtering - Department of Halal Certification



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You cannot slaughter an animal and call it halal. It's a profession. You have to be certified to do it, and you have to keep within the religious regulations even after being certified. Honest, honest, it is a real thing connected to their religious beliefs.

I don't know what regulating organization keeps Canadian meat safe, but for the US image the FDA is regulated by Sharia Law. That would scare me enough to at least check whether I could ever eat chicken, turkey, or fish again. (I am so much a meat eater. I cannot do the veg... anything. If forced to only eat one kind of food, my second choice would be meat. My first choice would be sugar, but I really can't live like that, diabetic and all. lol) And given, if the Lord tells me I can't eat it because it is chosen by Sharia Law, unlike you think, I can't just grab a mode of transportation to get out of the US. Some of us aren't that rich.

I'm not facing this problem (yet.) Noose is. I don't think it's right that you take this down to just-another-thing-to-argue-about. This is Noose's real life.

 

[Noose]

Paul wrote one verse. You turned the verse into a dissertation.

For Israel, the food sacrifices could either not be eaten at all, eaten only by the priest, eaten by the Levites-at-large, or even eaten by the one who offered it. (Thanksgiving offerings.)

So, since you know so much about what the Corinthians were doing, how did they come to obtain this meat? (I'm really asking. I have no idea what the religious rituals were for the Greeks at that time.)

It is not a verse, it is 3 or 4 chapters (1 Cor 7/8/9/10) and if you read it carefully and think of it as a letter to the Corinthians, you'll see that Paul was addressing some queries about Idol worship in Corinth. It's like believers in Corinth were divided and some were being referred to as weak Christians and some considered themselves strong Christians. The queries were sent to Paul about eating meat sacrificed to Idols because apparently it was a concern especially to the weak Christians.

So Paul in His letters was majorly addressing meat sacrificed to idols- the kind of idols that could not listen or see (stones and wood carvings) and his message was just eat because they mean nothing - but he was categorical about food sacrificed to demons. these, he said could arouse God to anger.

 

[7777pinacled]

Despite what Paul says in 1 Cor 8/9, i think the warning is there from the same Paul in His conclusion here:

1 Cor 10:14Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.18Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?

The F.D.A is kinda already ensuring that everyone is provided with decent beef in the U.S.

Hmmm, I was reminded of those delicious choice cuts of meat.

The Spirit expressly states that in the acharit-hayamim some people will apostatize from the faith by paying attention to deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come from the hypocrisy of liars whose own consciences have been burned, as if with a red-hot branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods which God created to be eaten with thanksgiving by those who have come to trust and to know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing received with thanksgiving needs to be rejected, 5 because the word of God and prayer make it holy.

 

[Locutus]

You cannot slaughter an animal and call it halal. It's a profession. You have to be certified to do it, and you have to keep within the religious regulations even after being certified. Honest, honest, it is a real thing connected to their religious beliefs.

Just because someone is certified does not mean they are an Imam. Religious regulations still don't make it a sacrifice as noose is trying to claim.

 

[Noose]

Just because someone is certified does not mean they are an Imam. Religious regulations still don't make it a sacrifice as noose is trying to claim.

I know you are thinking that sacrifice is a ceremonial event/a once in a while worship event but like i have already pointed out, to them, this daily event (eating halal meat- not even slaughtering, eating) is worship of their deity. Go do some research, you'll find according to the book/texts, it is indeed worship- so this makes it a sacrifice.

 

[Locutus]

If you are going to present the argument that slaughtering Halal is a sacrifice then it's incumbent on YOU to do the research to prove your case not me.

I've already posted a link to a Halal certification site which seems to establish what I've said previously.

But from the opening post you've already made the assertion that it is a sacrifice and to idols:

Despite what Paul says in 1 Cor 8/9, i think the warning is there from the same Paul in His conclusion here:

So what was the point of the thread - if your mind is made up then follow it.

 

[Locutus]

I know you are thinking that sacrifice is a ceremonial event/a once in a while worship event but like i have already pointed out, to them, this daily event (eating halal meat- not even slaughtering, eating) is worship of their deity. Go do some research, you'll find according to the book/texts, it is indeed worship- so this makes it a sacrifice.

So eating is now a religious event?

From what I've seen from your other posts in the forum you seem to be a confused individual.