The Bible and the Number 5

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And Exodus 5 has 23 verses (we get 23 chromosome pairs form Adam and Eve and die as they did because they hearkened to Satan (55 times in the KJB). Exodus 5 is the 55th book of the Bible and in the 23rd verse we read:
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James37,

This information, which is just random, having no rhyme or reason, is not doing anything for the furthering of the gospel. There is no scriptural reason to take the 23 verses in the fifth chapter of Exodus and relate them to the 23 chromosomes of Adam and Eve. Using this numbering method one could proclaim anything that he wants, just as you are doing. And this goes the same regarding the information regarding the number 46. As I said, this does nothing for the furtherance of the gospel and is just comes down to random, unrelated numbers misapplied to scripture. There is no fellowship in it and it does not bring anyone to Christ.

God gave us His word so that even the simplest could understand its meaning. That said, no one would or could ever come to what you are presenting. And it doesn't matter, because it neither adds to or takes away from God's message.

Enough with the misapplied numbers relating to scripture already!




 
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James37,

This information, which is just random, having no rhyme or reason, is not doing anything for the furthering of the gospel. There is no scriptural reason to take the 23 verses in the fifth chapter of Exodus and relate them to the 23 chromosomes of Adam and Eve. Using this numbering method one could proclaim anything that he wants, just as you are doing. And this goes the same regarding the information regarding the number 46. As I said, this does nothing for the furtherance of the gospel and is just comes down to random, unrelated numbers misapplied to scripture. There is no fellowship in it and it does not bring anyone to Christ.

God gave us His word so that even the simplest could understand its meaning. That said, no one would or could ever come to what you are presenting. And it doesn't matter, because it neither adds to or takes away from God's message.

Enough with the misapplied numbers relating to scripture already!


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lol and microchips under the skin is the mark of the beast I've seen you preach it, little pot calling kittle black.
 
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God gave us His word so that even the simplest could understand its meaning.
Enough with the misapplied numbers relating to scripture already!
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[FONT=&quot]“I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.” 1 Corinthians 3:2[/FONT]
 
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I recommend anyone who is interested in this thread to watch the King James Code series of videos as this would aid in an understanding of these biblical patterns. This is why I recommended two of them in the initial post.

[video=youtube;HE5Dmp_PvdY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE5Dmp_PvdY&t=1123s[/video]
 
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"Five thousand" is found 7 times in 7 verses in 7 chapters and 5 books of the NT. I wonder why 5000 people were fed or 5000 people who "heard the word" (Acts 4:4) were fed. (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4) :)
 
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"Five thousand" is found 7 times in 7 verses in 7 chapters and 5 books of the NT. I wonder why 5000 people were fed or 5000 people who "heard the word" (Acts 4:4) were fed. (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4) :)
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“The length of the court shall be an hundred cubits, and the breadth fifty every where, and the height five cubits of fine twined linen, and their sockets of brass.” (Exodus 27:18)

So the area is 50 x 100 = 5000

I meant to post this with the previous post.
 
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so are creating something out of thin air, no one said 5 means temptation, 5 is how many times Jesus quoted the OT,
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So then the spiritual understanding of five is that Christ quotes from the new testement? I would think we would look for the spiritual understanding of the gospel in words .I will stick with 5 means redemption a person can find the gospel in redemption .No need to perform mathematical gymnastics to the third power to prove nothing of any spiritual value.

A person could do the same kind of thing with a dictionary.It remind me of pinning the tail on the donkey .
 
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James37 said:
"Five thousand" is found 7 times in 7 verses in 7 chapters and 5 books of the NT. I wonder why 5000 people were fed or 5000 people who "heard the word" (Acts 4:4) were fed. (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4) :)
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Did you mean other that 5 means redemption? Beside that it a literal word used in math.
 
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.I will stick with 5 means redemption a person can find the gospel in redemption .
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And at the heart of the Gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ which forms the basis of our redemption. I don't think anything in this thread posted by me contradicts this.

redemption = 20 (5 x 4) times in the King James Bible and the number 4 is connected with the 4 gospels. The numbers 3, 4, and 5 are encoded in the altar. 5 x 5 x 3 cubits and it was made "foursquare" which corresponds to the 4 gospels.
 
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James37 said:
I recommend anyone who is interested in this thread to watch the King James Code series of videos as this would aid in an understanding of these biblical patterns. This is why I recommended two of them in the initial post.

[video=youtube;HE5Dmp_PvdY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE5Dmp_PvdY&t=1123s[/video]
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Hmmmmmm? So then it only works with the King James a imperfect translation?

Patterns are parables that have more than numerical value .
 
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If you can find consistent patterns in another translation then hats off to you. I can tell you that they are in the King James Bible to an extent that even Pastor Mike is unaware of. (by this I mean that patterns are specific to the verse the words and phrases occur in. The nth occurrence and verse so to speak)
 
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Here is an example. Mystery is found 22 times (number of Revelation) and the 5th occurrence is 1 Corinthians 15:51. In Revelation 22 the phrase "his servants" is connected with 144 (12 x 12) which is consistent with Revelation 14:1. The number 12 is connected with the servants of God in both the Old and New Testaments. Both occurrences of "his servants" can be connected with 144 in Revelation 22 based on the nth occurrence and verse of this phrase. How many elders clothed in white about the throne in Revelation? 24 = 12 x 2
 
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If you can find consistent patterns in another translation then hats off to you. I can tell you that they are in the King James Bible to an extent that even Pastor Mike is unaware of. (by this I mean that patterns are specific to the verse the words and phrases occur in. The nth occurrence and verse so to speak)
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There could be innumerable possibilities of patterns that are specific to the verse the words and phrases that occur in any translation . But what does that have to do with the gospel. Is it of another kind of gospel , another kind of Christ?

My search engine that I use for the King James says the word Christ is found 532 times. You say 550.

What's the point? 1,2,3 or 4

(1) Yours is the highest and therefore the greatest as number one ?
(2) Yours has 18 more .....18 = 9 X 2 .two is the number of second question.?
(3) 18 = 3X6 . Three 6's = the number of man ,a beast of the field ?
(4) 4 X 0 = 0 Zero equals none of the above?

What is it that you are rightly dividing words or numbers ?
 
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There could be innumerable possibilities of patterns that are specific to the verse the words and phrases that occur in any translation . But what does that have to do with the gospel. Is it of another kind of gospel , another kind of Christ?

My search engine that I use for the King James says the word Christ is found 532 times. You say 550.

What's the point? 1,2,3 or 4

(1) Yours is the highest and therefore the greatest as number one ?
(2) Yours has 18 more .....18 = 9 X 2 .two is the number of second question.?
(3) 18 = 3X6 . Three 6's = the number of man ,a beast of the field ?
(4) 4 X 0 = 0 Zero equals none of the above?

What is it that you are rightly dividing words or numbers ?
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What does it have to do with the gospel? The gospel is what Paul called "milk." (1 Corinthians 3:2) We as christians start off with milk but grow. (1 Peter 2:2) No one is saying that you have to understand numbers in the Bible to be saved...That is based solely on the belief in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Actually it is exactly 555 times in 522 verses and not 550 (If I said this then I was wrong and meant 555)

Christ = 555 in 522 verses

Christs = 2 times in 2 verses

Christ's = 16 times in 14 verses

Your search engine is wrong.

the rest of your post doesn't make any sense therefore does not merit a response.
 
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Did you mean other that 5 means redemption? Beside that it a literal word used in math.
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I think you question contains a typo so I am not sure exactly what you are asking. I was pointing out that the area of the "court" is 5000 cubits and 5000 occurs 7 times in 5 books in the NT. Five thousand heard "the word" in Acts 4:4 and were fed the word of God in my view. Coincidentally or not in both Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4 allude to the great truth that man does not live by bread alone. The true bread is the word of God.
 
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Here is an example. Mystery is found 22 times (number of Revelation) and the 5th occurrence is 1 Corinthians 15:51.
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Just fyi, the word μυστήριον, ου, τό transliterated "Musterion" is found 28 times in the NT, not 22. So, where does that leave your theoretical system now?
In Revelation 22 the phrase "his servants" is connected with 144 (12 x 12) which is consistent with Revelation 14:1.
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The word " doulos" translated "servants" occurs 126 times in the NT and refers to apostles, saints, the 144,000 and all believers in Christ.
 
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What does it have to do with the gospel? The gospel is what Paul called "milk." We as christians start off with milk but grow. (1 Peter 2:2)
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Hi thanks for the reply..

The gospel is what the Holy Spirit calls good news. Paul does not get to name anything. It is written by the finger of God .

God inspired the word grace to represent milk . The milk of the word teaches us to say no to ungodliness.

What does numerology have to do with godliness needed to deny worldly lusts?

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Tit 2:11

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 1Pe 2:2
 
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For some reason I cannot quote Ahwatukee so this is a response to his last post.

mystery = 22 times
mysteries = 5 times
MYSTERY = 1 time

I would say intact. The revealing of a mystery is revelation. The fact that the sum of all forms and cases of the word mystery (7x4) is just a testament that the word of God is in perfect order and that the King James Bible and the Greek are in agreement as far as the count of 28 is concerned. 1 Corinthians 15:51 would be the 10th (5 x 2) occurrence (in both the Greek and English of all forms of the word mystery) as I pointed out in the initial post. (myster*= 10 (5 x 2) occurrence)

As far as "his servants" and 144 is concerned I did not limit it to the 144000 alone. I just pointed out the number 12 is encoded in occurrences of the phrase in Revelation 22 and 12 is the number for the servants of God. (12 tribes, 12 apostles, 24 elders about the throne, 144000)
 
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Hi thanks for the reply..
What does numerology have to do with godliness needed to deny worldly lusts?
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And what does your question have to do with the "meat" of God's word? Nothing! First off Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost so what is your point? The fact of the matter there is "milk" and there is "meat." Milk is for newborn babes and bread and meat are for someone who has matured. This is common sense for any parent. Who even mentioned numerology in connection with wordly lusts? Sounds like you are erecting some sort of straw man. This thread is to point out that there is an order and structure in the Bible and the number 5 is the number in focus.
 
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For some reason I cannot quote Ahwatukee so this is a response to his last post.

mystery = 22 times
mysteries = 5 times
MYSTERY = 1 time

I would say intact. The revealing of a mystery is revelation. The fact that the sum of all forms and cases of the word mystery (7x4) is just a testament that the word of God is in perfect order and that the King James Bible and the Greek are in agreement as far as the count of 28 is concerned. 1 Corinthians 15:51 would be the 10th (5 x 2) occurrence (in both the Greek and English of all forms of the word mystery) as I pointed out in the initial post. (myster*= 10 (5 x 2) occurrence)
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I need to correct this statement.

Mystery (any case) = 22 times
mysteries = 5 times in 5 verses and 5 chapters

therefore all forms of the word mystery is found 27 times in 22 verses in the King James Bible. This word only occurs in the New Testament (coincidentally 27 books)
 
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