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Ricke

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When are you folks going to show us one verse in the Scriptures where anyone was ever Baptized in "Father, Son, Holy Ghost"? Argue, insinuate, Debate, accuse.

SHOW US ONE VERSE. Then we will see who's right.

Really weary of hearing about this scholar or this Bible School Dean, or this Early Catholic Church Father said this or that. Just us the one verse....I rest my Case
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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When are you folks going to show us one verse in the Scriptures where anyone was ever Baptized in "Father, Son, Holy Ghost"? Argue, insinuate, Debate, accuse.

SHOW US ONE VERSE. Then we will see who's right.

Really weary of hearing about this scholar or this Bible School Dean, or this Early Catholic Church Father said this or that. Just us the one verse....I rest my Case
We've already seen who is right. Jesus' baptism is a perfect revealing of the functional roles and persons of the Trinity in union. Jesus then instructs his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit before his ascension which the apostles do in the authority of Jesus.

Scripture teaches the trinity from OT to NT and the early church fathers followed it. Wolves came in with heresy and were excommunicated from fellowship because of heresy.

So why ignore scripture and twist scripture to say something it doesn't say, ignore history and twist history, and finally end with this level of myopic? Because you choose to. That's the only explanation left.

Your argument is nothing more than a genetic fallacy where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something's origin rather than its current meaning or in context with the discussion as any professor of philosophy will tell you.

The Bible doesn't list every star by name so therefore the ones actually not specifically identified by name don't really exist? Of course they do exist. Trying to show all stars actually exist using scriptural passages that show they do wouldn't work using your logic. Each star must be listed in scripture or it doesn't exist based on the logic you're employing here. Or how about since scripture doesn't list every particle or element in nature they don't exist... so goes the logic error of genetic fallacy.

Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and scripture unequivocaly teaches God is three persons sharing the same essence of God but fulfilling different functional roles just as we see at Jesus' baptism.

Furthermore, in Paul’s letters and the book of Acts, baptism is typically represented as baptism “in the name” of Jesus to communicate unity in Christ as some in the body were saying, “I belong to Paul,” “I belong to Apollos,” “I belong to Peter,” or “I belong to Christ” (1 Cor 1:12). So we see that the phrase baptism “in the name of Jesus” is used to correct Christians who were using baptism to cause division.

Paul, with some indignation, asks, “Has Christ been apportioned to any single group among you?" To think Oneness Pentecostals take this and try to show that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit don't exist as persons in the God head is crazy.

“in the name” sets up a relation of belonging affirming that baptism in the name of the triune God grounds a relation between God and the baptized.”

In Apostolic times, there was no one refuting the belief that God was a Trinity, so they had no reason to systematically define the doctrine. Then certain heretics sprang up, like Arius, Noetus, Praxeas, and Sabellius, teaching doctrines contrary to those of Christ and the Apostles. So the Fathers, out of necessity, had to define what the Church believed. They did not invent anything as all of scripture clearly teaches.

Then in the 19th century an ignorant man started a fight over a baptism one day and suddenly someone in the audience has a "revelation" that night and starts a new sect denying the person of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit and is excommunicated from the Assemblies of God and misinformed people decided to follow their error and so we have what we have here today. It's a free country and you can even believe nonsense if you like. Doesn't mean educated people are going to go along with the nonsense. I'm not going to.

70 A.D. – A book called “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles”, or “The Didache” (di-dah-kay), gives solid evidence of the early church’s belief in the triune God. This is remarkable considering Paul wrote several of his epistles between 60 and 64 A.D., which means only six to ten years had expired between the two. It is cited by Eusebius who lived from (260-341 A.D) and Athanasius (293-373 A.D.).

The following is a short list of church fathers who taught there was a plurality of persons in the Godhead:

110 A.D. – Ignatius of Antioch (Epistle to the Ephesians, 0:0).
151 A.D. – Justin Martyr (First Apology 13:5–6).
181 A.D. – Theophilus of Antioch (A letter to Autolycus 2:15).
189 A.D. – Irenaeus (Against Heresies 1:10:1).
216 A.D. – Tertullian (Against Praxeas 2).
225 A.D. – Origen (The Fundamental Doctrines 4:4:1).
228 A.D. – Hippolytus (Refutation of All Heresies 10:29).
235 A.D. – Novatian (Treatise on the Trinity 11).
262 A.D. – Dionysius (Letter to Dionysius of Alexandria 1).
265 A.D. – Gregory the Wonderworker (Declaration of Faith).
325 A.D. – The Trinitarian view was affirmed as an article of faith by the Nicene.
381 A.D. – The Trinitarian view was again affirmed as an article of faith in Constantinople.

Praise the Lord for revealing Himself to us in the teaching of the Trinity!
 
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But good sir,
I simply ask all of you to show me one verse where anyone ever was Baptized in Father., Son, Holy Ghost, then Once again you try to go down another road that has nothing to do with the one simple question I asked. Does it?

The simple answer is this; you don't want to admit you have been painted in a corner, so because you play the "denial" game, you start denouncing oneness, like we are a bunch of Rednecks with probably no higher then a third grade education, and we got our revelations" in the 18th Century.

Then you start quoting various Church "Fathers" who supposedly are to beleives and trusted even though they were'nt even alive when The Original Apostles of Jesus wrote and recorded everything they were told to do.

Furthermore for the what 4th or 5th time? We are told to OBEY The Apostle's Doctrine.

Acts 2 v 42

I Timothy 4 v 16

Galatians 1 v 6-8.
So are we going to beat a dead horse, or will you just simply answer the questeion I originally posed? I'm not trying to be a Smart Aleck but either show me what I asked, or let's just let it go. Brother, I have been doing this for almost 20 years. I know every chapter and verse to prove what I am saying here.

If you want to renounce oneness, or being Pentecostal, I could care less, because greater then you, cannot answer the question I asked it is air tight. In fact this is my last post on this, nothing is being accomplished arguing etc. We need to call this thing a draw and move on to something else, I don't feel like arguing over something I know is right. I love you in The Lord...
 
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Originally Posted by Ricke

Ageof Knowledge
When are you folks going to show us one verse in the Scriptures where anyone was ever Baptized in "Father, Son, Holy Ghost"? Argue, insinuate, Debate, accuse.

SHOW US ONE VERSE. Then we will see who's right.

Really weary of hearing about this scholar or this Bible School Dean, or this Early Catholic Church Father said this or that. Just us the one verse....I rest my Case
We've already seen who is right. Jesus' baptism is a perfect revealing of the functional roles and persons of the Trinity in union. Jesus then instructs his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit before his ascension which the apostles do in the authority of Jesus.
A lot of hot air AoK, yet you did not do what was asked of you. Show one single Bible verse to show the apostles or anyone from the church of Acts baptized in any way but in Jesus name.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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A lot of hot air AoK, yet you did not do what was asked of you. Show one single Bible verse to show the apostles or anyone from the church of Acts baptized in any way but in Jesus name.
Nonsense. Rejecting sound doctrine and acting like a fool because the truth doesn't agree with a person is not a Christlike nor a scriptural position. Now both of you thank Him for His patience.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I answered you in detail. The simple answer is you don't like what scripture says so have no problem continuing a line of fallicious reasoning to maintain a heretical position which I've carefully been refuting while you continue to exercise a logical genetic fallacy.

Lots of cults operate like this. JW's, Mormons, SDAs, why not Oneness Pentecostals too.

I'm in God's scriptural truth. In my opinion, you've merely shown everyone here you're following a fool's script ignoring everything that is said and simply pushing forward with a fallicious line of reasoning. You'll get no points for it.

The fact you claim I said 18th century shows you never even read what I wrote as I emphatically stated the 19th century. But then you have your script to follow so it doesn't matter what all of God's Word or anyone familiar with it has to say.

Tragic. Grow up.


But good sir,
I simply ask all of you to show me one verse where anyone ever was Baptized in Father., Son, Holy Ghost, then Once again you try to go down another road that has nothing to do with the one simple question I asked. Does it?

The simple answer is this; you don't want to admit you have been painted in a corner, so because you play the "denial" game, you start denouncing oneness, like we are a bunch of Rednecks with probably no higher then a third grade education, and we got our revelations" in the 18th Century.

Then you start quoting various Church "Fathers" who supposedly are to beleives and trusted even though they were'nt even alive when The Original Apostles of Jesus wrote and recorded everything they were told to do.

Furthermore for the what 4th or 5th time? We are told to OBEY The Apostle's Doctrine.

Acts 2 v 42

I Timothy 4 v 16

Galatians 1 v 6-8.
So are we going to beat a dead horse, or will you just simply answer the questeion I originally posed? I'm not trying to be a Smart Aleck but either show me what I asked, or let's just let it go. Brother, I have been doing this for almost 20 years. I know every chapter and verse to prove what I am saying here.

If you want to renounce oneness, or being Pentecostal, I could care less, because greater then you, cannot answer the question I asked it is air tight. In fact this is my last post on this, nothing is being accomplished arguing etc. We need to call this thing a draw and move on to something else, I don't feel like arguing over something I know is right. I love you in The Lord...
 
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Ricke

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Just like I figured.....he copped out.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Just like I figured.....he copped out.
You have retreated into the inevitable denial and falsehood that resulted from playing a myopic script through that was constructed on fallicious logic designed to support a wrong answer Ricke. God loves you and want you to know Him as He is revealed in scripture: the Triune God of the Bible. You won't get there acting like this.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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When are you folks going to show us one verse in the Scriptures where anyone was ever Baptized in "Father, Son, Holy Ghost"? Argue, insinuate, Debate, accuse.

SHOW US ONE VERSE. Then we will see who's right.

Really weary of hearing about this scholar or this Bible School Dean, or this Early Catholic Church Father said this or that. Just us the one verse....I rest my Case
I'll show you something more than an example, I will show you a command.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Of course it preceded t1914. It is what Jesus and the apostles taught.

We can receive no truth of scripture with out the revelatory guidance of the Holy Spirit



Do you mean by the apostles in scripture? Thats easy, haven;t you read the bible? Try these 3

Acts 8 :16 For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


So, Acts says "Lord Jesus" several times. It says "Jesus Christ" several times. Not once does it say "Lord Jesus Christ". Your argument is that the Lord Jesus Christ is the formula prescribed by the apostles, in spite of Jesus explicit command. We say that the mention of Jesus name did not rule out the use of all three persons of the trinity. You use the same argument when you say that when he says "Lord Jesus", he really meant "Lord Jesus Christ." Your own sematics argue against you. So I ask you: Sometimes they said to baptize in the name of Jesus Christ and other times in the name of the Lord and still other times in the name of the Lord Jesus. So which is right?
 
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Ricke

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You copped out.....I ask you several times simply to show us just one verse, but you chose instead to try and keep accusing me or dancing around The Biblical truth I presented. You copped out....You should have simply admitted you judged wrongly,,,but instead you copped out.....tsk tsk tsk....
 
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wow i guess even christian sites have forum trolls. I wonder if ricke realizes they aree maybe three people on this whole site that even agree with him. The rest just thinks he is preaching heresy.
 
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Ricke

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It is one thing to accuse someone of heresy, it's another thing to prove it Bro. Just because 99 people agree on something and one does'nt agree are you telling us then "Majority rules"? If you beleive that, then why does Jesus speak about "The Few" who find him? If you or anyone on here thinks because I don't dance to the Trinity Tune like most do, that I am a heretic, or whatever, then I will continued pray for you folks."The Blind, leading the Blind" .
 
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It is one thing to accuse someone of heresy, it's another thing to prove it Bro. Just because 99 people agree on something and one does'nt agree are you telling us then "Majority rules"? If you beleive that, then why does Jesus speak about "The Few" who find him? If you or anyone on here thinks because I don't dance to the Trinity Tune like most do, that I am a heretic, or whatever, then I will continued pray for you folks."The Blind, leading the Blind" .
Actually your views were heresy in the 3rd Century and they are still heresy now.
 
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Ricke

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Yes, y'all are correct, I'm some dufus here preaching heresy.

So tell us about Apostle Peter in your Avatar. When he ever was in Rome.? Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles in Rome. There is no evidence Peter was ever in Rome since he was The Apostle to the Jews in Jerusalem. Further more, if he was The "Pope" as the RCC teaches, why then did Paul write the Book of Romans, rather then Peter the "Pope'.....Holy Heresy!!
 

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Yes, y'all are correct, I'm some dufus here preaching heresy.

So tell us about Apostle Peter in your Avatar. When he ever was in Rome.? Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles in Rome. There is no evidence Peter was ever in Rome since he was The Apostle to the Jews in Jerusalem. Further more, if he was The "Pope" as the RCC teaches, why then did Paul write the Book of Romans, rather then Peter the "Pope'.....Holy Heresy!!
How about not attacking his avatar and changing the subject? Seems as if you're taking the easy way out... Besides, you mentioned that none of the Church Fathers lived or written during the time of the Apostles, that is not true. St. Ignatius of Antioch, who I have as my avatar, studied at the feet of St. John the Apostle alongside Polycarp.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Yes, y'all are correct, I'm some dufus here preaching heresy.
Thank you for your admission of guilt.

To the beloved, it's like talking to an atheist that simply asks for John's signature on the Gospel of John. Just show me where he signed it. Why can't you produce John's signature? They then accuse you of copping out with an unbelieving sneer. The fool proceeds with their fallacy falsely asserting that if John's signature cannot be produced therefore the Gospel of John is not from John. The reality is John's signature is all over the Gospel of John but the fool is too blind to see it.
 
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Nonsense. Rejecting sound doctrine and acting like a fool because the truth doesn't agree with a person is not a Christlike nor a scriptural position. Now both of you thank Him for His patience.
Like I said before you are nothing but hot air. you claim to have sound doctrine, yet you cannot give one single verse to support it.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Like I said before you are nothing but hot air. you claim to have sound doctrine, yet you cannot give one single verse to support it.
This is a blatent lie as anyone reading my posts in this thread can plainly see.
 
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Thank you for your admission of guilt.

To the beloved, it's like talking to an atheist that simply asks for John's signature on the Gospel of John. Just show me where he signed it. Why can't you produce John's signature? They then accuse you of copping out with an unbelieving sneer. The fool proceeds with their fallacy falsely asserting that if John's signature cannot be produced therefore the Gospel of John is not from John. The reality is John's signature is all over the Gospel of John but the fool is too blind to see it.
You are more like an atheist than Ricke would ever be. At least he believe scripture over the teachings of man. You worshiop your doctrine rather than God.

Anything you value more than the truth of God's word is an idol. God's word tells us who we are to baptize and you reject it for you doctrine. God word tells us that there is but ONE GOD THE FATHER, yet you reject this truth for your doctrine. You sir are an idolater.