The Bible and the Number 5

[James37]

I will point out that Strong's indicates that [FONT=&quot]μυστηριον ([/FONT]musterion G3466) 27 times and the 10th (5 x 2) occurrence is in 1 Corinthians 15:51.

 

[Chester]

Ha! The Greek words don't matter to some! It is the English words in the KJV that are what is important!

Your Greek sense is nonsense to some! LOL! Sad!

 

[James37]

It mattered to Ahwatukee but for some reason I could not quote him.

 

[posthuman]

One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, saith unto Him, There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
And Jesus said, Make the men sit down.
Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand. And Jesus took the loaves; and when He had given thanks, He distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would. When they were filled, He said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
(John 6:8-13)

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5,000 men ((and how many more?)) fed from 5 loaves and 2 fish

12 baskets of bread left over -- no leftover fish!

 

[James37]

Good observation. Only God knows the answer but He did want us to know that it was about five thousand men. The dimension of the court of the tabernacle was 100 x 50 = 5000 cubits. Were women allowed to enter into this court?

12 is the 37th prime

barley = 37 times in the King James Bible

No leftover fish? Probably because it doesn't keep very good compared to bread. LOL!

 

[LPT]

So then the spiritual understanding of five is that Christ quotes from the new testement? I would think we would look for the spiritual understanding of the gospel in words .I will stick with 5 means redemption a person can find the gospel in redemption .No need to perform mathematical gymnastics to the third power to prove nothing of any spiritual value.

A person could do the same kind of thing with a dictionary.It remind me of pinning the tail on the donkey .

I know numbers aren't your thing, God works with folks like the OP because of his willingness to leap and learn.

spiritual value is valuable only to the person or persons who find it valuable. it wont be valuable to you if it means nothing to you.

 

[KJV1611]

I know numbers aren't your thing, God works with folks like the OP because of his willingness to leap and learn.

spiritual value is valuable only to the person or persons who find it valuable. it wont be valuable to you if it means nothing to you.

Well said!

 

[7777pinacled]

“For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.” (2 Corinthians 5:1) (47[SUP]th[/SUP] book of the Bible)


“tabernacle” is found in 23 books of the Bible and 92 (46 x 2) chapters of the OT.


[SUP]18 [/SUP]And thou shalt make the boards for the tabernacle, twenty boards on the south side southward.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And for the second side of the tabernacle on the north side there shall be twenty boards:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And for the sides of the tabernacle westward thou shalt make six boards.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And two boards shalt thou make for the corners of the tabernacle in the two sides. (I love it, 23[SUP]rd[/SUP] verse and the number 2 is mentioned 2 x 23=46)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And they shall be eight boards, and their sockets of silver, sixteen sockets; two sockets under one board, and two sockets under another board. (The 8 boards consists of the west wall with the corners made up)


Exodus chapter 26 reveals that the “holy place” and “most holy place” (Exodus 26:33-34) were enclosed with 46 boards of “shittim wood” overlayed with “pure gold”


“holy” = 611 (47 x 13) times in the Bible.
“most holy” = 46 times in the Bible.
“the holy place*” = 46 times in the Bible.
“pure gold” 39 and “shittim wood” 27 times in the King James Bible for a total of 66. (If you think this is a coincidence then consider this one as well. Concerning the brazen altar we have “brass” = 126 (7 x 18) and “shittim wood” which combine for 153 (John21))


Each board was 1.5 cubits wide which would make the linear cubits of the boards surrounding the tabernacle 69 (23 x 3) cubits. A ten cubit length of the boards corresponds to the 10 commandments of God’s law. (Roman 2:15)


You may say there were 48 boards instead of 46. (which I don't believe but be that as it may) The linear length that makes up the three sides is still 46 divisions of 1.5 cubits. Like I said, I don't think any boards were doubled up but many people do but the number 46 has not been eliminated from discussion. As a matter of fact, if you were inside the tabernacle and counted the boards what number would you come up with? The following link shows an image with 48 boards.

http://www.emmanuelenid.org/archive/component/k2/item/1041-the-tabernacle-boards

Are you asking about the overall number of boards?
because it is quite clear even with this illustration that you provided there is 20 boards opposite of 20.
I suppose this is where the optometrist came up with 20 20 vision.

The patterns of Instruction given have been integrated into most walks of Life.

It can become somewhat overwhelming to become spiritually aware of so much at once.
Take your time with studying the patterns.
And if ever you would like anyone to be a sounding board.

Blessings Always.

 

[LPT]

Are you asking about the overall number of boards?
because it is quite clear even with this illustration that you provided there is 20 boards opposite of 20.
I suppose this is where the optometrist came up with 20 20 vision.

The patterns of Instruction given have been integrated into most walks of Life.



It can become somewhat overwhelming to become spiritually aware of so much at once.
Take your time with studying the patterns.
And if ever you would like anyone to be a sounding board.

Blessings Always.

indeed if these numbers is to much for people, then start with the basics, 3,7,12,40

 

[7777pinacled]

“For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.” (2 Corinthians 5:1) (47[SUP]th[/SUP] book of the Bible)


“tabernacle” is found in 23 books of the Bible and 92 (46 x 2) chapters of the OT.


[SUP]18 [/SUP]And thou shalt make the boards for the tabernacle, twenty boards on the south side southward.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And for the second side of the tabernacle on the north side there shall be twenty boards:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And for the sides of the tabernacle westward thou shalt make six boards.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And two boards shalt thou make for the corners of the tabernacle in the two sides. (I love it, 23[SUP]rd[/SUP] verse and the number 2 is mentioned 2 x 23=46)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And they shall be eight boards, and their sockets of silver, sixteen sockets; two sockets under one board, and two sockets under another board. (The 8 boards consists of the west wall with the corners made up)


Exodus chapter 26 reveals that the “holy place” and “most holy place” (Exodus 26:33-34) were enclosed with 46 boards of “shittim wood” overlayed with “pure gold”


“holy” = 611 (47 x 13) times in the Bible.
“most holy” = 46 times in the Bible.
“the holy place*” = 46 times in the Bible.
“pure gold” 39 and “shittim wood” 27 times in the King James Bible for a total of 66. (If you think this is a coincidence then consider this one as well. Concerning the brazen altar we have “brass” = 126 (7 x 18) and “shittim wood” which combine for 153 (John21))


Each board was 1.5 cubits wide which would make the linear cubits of the boards surrounding the tabernacle 69 (23 x 3) cubits. A ten cubit length of the boards corresponds to the 10 commandments of God’s law. (Roman 2:15)


You may say there were 48 boards instead of 46. (which I don't believe but be that as it may) The linear length that makes up the three sides is still 46 divisions of 1.5 cubits. Like I said, I don't think any boards were doubled up but many people do but the number 46 has not been eliminated from discussion. As a matter of fact, if you were inside the tabernacle and counted the boards what number would you come up with? The following link shows an image with 48 boards.

http://www.emmanuelenid.org/archive/component/k2/item/1041-the-tabernacle-boards

something of a variation to explore for perspective. and i mean variation in terms of exploration/.

the unit width measure of the board is 1.5..so multiplied by 20 would be 30.
If measured in the fashion provided by the illustration.

Now then, i guess i will be brave enough to say, i didnt see the construction like the illustration provided.


To be a matter of Fact i got 7.5 instead of 30.

Integrity is always a hint to those whom Love the Lord.

 

[7777pinacled]

indeed if these numbers is to much for people, then start with the basics, 3,7,12,40

Have you ever thought of using the planks as pillars?
4 boards to each pillar?

 

[LPT]

how you get 7.5, one cubit is equal to 18 inches or 1 foot 6 inches times twenty boards is 30 feet.

 

[LPT]

Have you ever thought of using the planks as pillars?
4 boards to each pillar?

well if you can supply from scripture that the pillars were four sided, maybe no sides, round pillars at the front entrance.

 

[7777pinacled]

well if you can supply from scripture that the pillars were four sided, maybe no sides, round pillars at the front entrance.

just exploring,
like i said, ive yet to see a sufficient illustration?
I believe it will be easier for readers to follow our discussion if we just concentrate on looking at units for now

So why only 5 poles for 5 planks.
1.5 multiplied by 5
is 7.5 units
Which by the way, did you notice the illustration only shows 3 poles?

"And you shall make bars of acacia wood, five for the planks of one side of the Mishkan,

 

[7777pinacled]

just exploring,
like i said, ive yet to see a sufficient illustration?
I believe it will be easier for readers to follow our discussion if we just concentrate on looking at units for now

So why only 5 poles for 5 planks.
1.5 multiplied by 5
is 7.5 units
Which by the way, did you notice the illustration only shows 3 poles?

"And you shall make bars of acacia wood, five for the planks of one side of the Mishkan,

So if i were to stack every plank upright in numbers of 4s.
Each illustration of boxes would represent 4 planks upright as a 4 sided pillar.

interestingly there would be twelve considerable structures?
if i got the math right.
Now what to do with those 15 poles?

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[LPT]

just exploring,
like i said, ive yet to see a sufficient illustration?
I believe it will be easier for readers to follow our discussion if we just concentrate on looking at units for now

So why only 5 poles for 5 planks.
1.5 multiplied by 5
is 7.5 units
Which by the way, did you notice the illustration only shows 3 poles?

"And you shall make bars of acacia wood, five for the planks of one side of the Mishkan,

since you said your exploring the possibility, your going to go through that.

 

[LPT]

So if i were to stack every plank upright in numbers of 4s.
Each illustration of boxes would represent 4 planks upright as a 4 sided pillar.

interestingly there would be twelve considerable structures?
if i got the math right.
Now what to do with those 15 poles?

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I'm not quite sure the bible even mentions how many sides the pillars had, could of been 4, 8, 16, 24 sides.

 

[7777pinacled]

I'm not quite sure the bible even mentions how many sides the pillars had, could of been 4, 8, 16, 24 sides.

That is an interesting aspect.

 

[7777pinacled]

So if i were to stack every plank upright in numbers of 4s.
Each illustration of boxes would represent 4 planks upright as a 4 sided pillar.

interestingly there would be twelve considerable structures?
if i got the math right.
Now what to do with those 15 poles?

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I liked the slant you added lpt.
gives a nice view.
The link you shared has an extensive amount of work detailing a lot more than ive ever found before.
Thankyou for sharing this.
I especially like the part about the silver foundation to gold planks.
Now if we pray.
'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

I hear on earth as it is in heaven with gold streets.

 

[LPT]

I liked the slant you added lpt.
gives a nice view.
The link you shared has an extensive amount of work detailing a lot more than ive ever found before.
Thankyou for sharing this.
I especially like the part about the silver foundation to gold planks.
Now if we pray.
'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

I hear on earth as it is in heaven with gold streets.

Huh I did, someone must have went out before me,