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I don't think you're getting what Shunned is saying either.
But let's try it your way.
How did God both save Israel and not save Israel?
How was it that God saved Israel, and as proof, Israel is still around today, BUT there was no Israel when Dad was young? There was no Israel for 1900 years!
And how was it that the people directed by a humongous tornadoey storm cloud (God's visible presence) to walk through a humongous sea, be fed by stuff floating down from the sky, on occasion, have a flock of birds that make starling flocks look insignificant come along for so much meat they grew tired of it, gave them enough to drink and feed their flocks (and remember 2 million people, so how big were those flocks?) in the middle of a desert, gave them victory over a battle-trained army, when they had just spent the last 400 years not-ever allowed to pick up weapons, and all through a staff being raised over an old guy's head, and still did not "choose" to believe?
What did they not have that you do have? AND how did YOU get it?
But let's try it your way.
How did God both save Israel and not save Israel?
How was it that God saved Israel, and as proof, Israel is still around today, BUT there was no Israel when Dad was young? There was no Israel for 1900 years!
And how was it that the people directed by a humongous tornadoey storm cloud (God's visible presence) to walk through a humongous sea, be fed by stuff floating down from the sky, on occasion, have a flock of birds that make starling flocks look insignificant come along for so much meat they grew tired of it, gave them enough to drink and feed their flocks (and remember 2 million people, so how big were those flocks?) in the middle of a desert, gave them victory over a battle-trained army, when they had just spent the last 400 years not-ever allowed to pick up weapons, and all through a staff being raised over an old guy's head, and still did not "choose" to believe?
What did they not have that you do have? AND how did YOU get it?
I think I have proven my point. They continually gavce PAUL credit for REMOVING them (not rescuing them) from Egypt. They wanted to go back.
Now if you think people who would rather live in Idolotry and live as the world are saved. Well thats a major problem