Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

[prove-all]

This verse should really make people stop and think...

And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

 

[Studyman]

Don't you love how people have time to beat the same dead horse but not answer a few simple questions?


It shows you where their wisdom comes from....


Anyway back to my retelling of the story from Exodus?

In all due respect,

This is a Bible discussion forum.

Some people come on here to post and discuss scriptures, Like Shamah, who believes we are to live by "EVERY WORD" of God. For those who want to study and discuss scriptures on a Bible forum, he is a very easy to speak with and humble and has a Spiritual understanding of scripture that I find refreshing.

Others come on this forum to promote their religious traditions and doctrines. They seem not so interested in Biblical discussions, rather, they are only interested in the Word's of the Bible that can be used to justify their religious traditions.

These people are not interested in actually understanding, acknowledging, discussing or "proving the Will of God" by scriptures, rather, they judge God's Word. Some of His Word is worthy of their honor and respect, some of His Word's are not, depending on how they reflect on a particular religious tradition.

This phenomenon is as old as Eve and the serpent and Jesus warns about this tactic both as the (Word) creator God of Abraham, who created the Commandments in the first place, and as the Person of Messiah, which is the Word made flesh.

Shamah isn't trying to beat a dead horse by posting scriptures and relevance that "MANY who come in Christ's name omit. He is following the instructions of His Savior who has instructed him to help a brother or sister who has been tricked into believing we can judge some Words as relevant, and some as not, depending on OUR religious tradition.

Personally I am learning on how to deal with scriptural disagreement. I have personally been corrected by others on this forum when a biblical discussion can be had with the spirit of learning and understanding, as opposed to just justifying or defending a certain religious belief or tradition.

You are free to ignore or marginalize folks and the scriptures they post that bring your religious tradition into question. But it seems, given all the warnings Jesus saw fit to give us, that a wise person would consider scriptures and engage in honest discussions, not only to justify a certain belief, but also to learn through one another, to admonish one another in the Spirit of truth and understanding.

If one finds they have been deceived, as have we all at some point, they can rejoice and thank Him for the admonishment, repent and move on. If one helps another towards the truth, we have helped a brother as Jesus said was the purpose of the Law and Prophets to begin with.

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Maybe, just maybe, it isn't Shamah whose wisdom comes from ......

 

[Ariel82]

The Sabbath in Ancient and Modern Practice

The word Sabbath has its origins in the Hebrew word shabbat, from a root meaning "to cease, desist, or rest." In both ancient and modern Judaism, the observance of the Sabbath has been regarded as a sacred and inviolable duty. Over the centuries the original, relatively simple Biblical concept of a weekly day of rest has been increasingly embellished with the prohibitions, rituals and ceremonies of rabbinical tradition, but the essential spirit of the Sabbath-rest remains unchanged. This paper will briefly consider three significant aspects of Sabbath observance: firstly, its Biblical origins; secondly, its modern-day practice among the adherents of Judaism; and lastly, the question of whether or not the Sabbath should be observed by Christians today.

Sounds interesting...might summarised any good points.

 

[Ariel82]

And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless? Matthew 12:
******
How do the priests profane the Sabbath?

Why are they held blameless?

 

[Ariel82]

Fyi. I don't ignore scriptures and don't marginize people.

What I ignore is the constant misrepresentation of what is being said and insistence of discussing a topic that has been reviewed over and over again in previous threads.

What I choose to point out as "beating a dead horse" is the poster who chooses to post the same words and questions 10 times within 5 minutes, revealing not that they care for answers or will actually listen to them but just shouting to be heard.

What I protest and stand against is that people keep playing that. I have not given scriptures to support my views.

Okay you and others don't accept what I believe what those scriptures mean.

(That God is okay with weekly Sabbath observation where we keep one day Holy or Every day Sabbath observation where we keep every day Holy.)

However be honest and say I have given them.

I find it pointless to discuss with someone who would rather belittle and insult and is dishonest in their reality of what has been said.

Why ask a question and instead of listening to my answer, tell me how stupid and wrong I am?

What is,the point of having a conversation with people like that?

 

[Studyman]

This verse should really make people stop and think...
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Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless? Matthew 12:
******
How do the priests profane the Sabbath?

Why are they held blameless?

A quick look into the Scriptures will show you that the Levites were given special instructions and a Priesthood "until the Seed should come" as prophesied. They were "not counted with the Children of Israel", they had a Job "SEPERATE" from the rest of the people. Following the Priesthood was their job. Their job or as it is called, the "works of the Law" symbolized and were performed to heal people from their sins, even on the Sabbath Days.

Shouldn't it be lawful for the Word who became Flesh perform the same healing?

the Mainstream Preachers of His time had lost the true meaning of the Priesthood as well as the true meaning of God's Sabbath as it is written.

Jesus mocked them for their ignorance of what the Law and Prophets taught.

Paul explains;

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

AS Jesus said;

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not from God)

The Scripture you posted, as written, seems to have everything to do with the false preachers of that time, and nothing to do with the destruction or reconstruction of the Sabbath Jesus created for man. IMO

 

[Ariel82]

This is a Jewish website, but it is interesting still...

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/261818/jewish/A-Brief-History-of-Shabbat.htm

Shabbat, our sages tell us, is “a taste of the World to Come.” As the six-day workweek culminates in Shabbat, so too will the six millennia of our work and toil to make the world a home for G‑d culminate in the messianic era—“the day that is wholly Shabbat and tranquility, for life everlasting.” (Talmud, Berachot 57b; Nachmanides on Genesis 1; Grace After Meals)

“And at that time, there will be no hunger or war, no jealousy or rivalry. For goodness will be plentiful, and all delicacies available as dust. The entire occupation of the world will be only to know G‑d . . . For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of G‑d, as the waters cover the sea.” (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings 12:5)

May it be now.

 

[Ariel82]

A quick look into the Scriptures will show you that the Levites were given special instructions and a Priesthood "until the Seed should come" as prophesied. They were "not counted with the Children of Israel", they had a Job "SEPERATE" from the rest of the people. Following the Priesthood was their job. Their job or as it is called, the "works of the Law" symbolized and were performed to heal people from their sins, even on the Sabbath Days.

Shouldn't it be lawful for the Word who became Flesh perform the same healing?

the Mainstream Preachers of His time had lost the true meaning of the Priesthood as well as the true meaning of God's Sabbath as it is written.

Jesus mocked them for their ignorance of what the Law and Prophets taught.

Paul explains;

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

AS Jesus said;

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not from God)

The Scripture you posted, as written, seems to have everything to do with the false preachers of that time, and nothing to do with the destruction or reconstruction of the Sabbath Jesus created for man. IMO

It has everything to do with how we as God's priests are to keep every day Holy, which is the whole premise of the entire thread.

What is God's Sabbath and How does He tell us to keep it?

 

[Studyman]

Your reasoning contradicts the teaching of apostle Paul because he taught gentile believers that eating food offered to idols was not a problem if a person had strong enough faith (1 Corinthians 8:4-13). It also contradicts what Jesus said (Mark 7:15)

No contradiction.

Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Rebellion, dishonor, disrespect, disobedience, all these come from within and defile a man.

 

[Studyman]

◄ Romans 14:5 ►
New International Version
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

New Living Translation
In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.

English Standard Version
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Berean Study Bible
One man regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Berean Literal Bible
For indeed one judges a day to be above another day, but one judges every day alike. Let each be fully assured in the own mind.

New American Standard Bible
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

King James Bible
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

What possible difference should it make to you or me what day one man thinks is special, or another MAN thinks is special.

What are we to be convinced of? That we should listen to follow man where our religious tradition is concerned?

Isn't God the Judge, Didn't God create instructions for us? Are we not all to held accountable to God for who we choose to listen to?

I know there are "MANY" who come in Christ's name who use the Weak in Faith chapter to defend their religious traditions. I always thought this chapter condemns traditions of men.

"12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No contradiction.

Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Rebellion, dishonor, disrespect, disobedience, all these come from within and defile a man.

But that's not what the person who I was replying to meant. He said that the Jerusalem council's advice to not eat food sacrificed to idols was the way of Yah. It's not. It was the way of men:

No this was a bisic set of guidelines given by insparation of the Holy Spirit for new gentile converts in Messiah, as they would learn the ways of Yah

The way of Yah is that nothing a person eats is able to defile him. Food is irrelevant to a holy life.

 

[Studyman]

It has everything to do with how we as God's priests are to keep every day Holy, which is the whole premise of the entire thread.

What is God's Sabbath and How does He tell us to keep it?

13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

 

[prove-all]

Romans 14...

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
The first thing we see here is that this chapter is about relating to a weak brother.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

The subject here? Vegetarianism

Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth
not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

So, if you encounter one who is weak in the faith and believes he must eat vegetables only,
don’t let this puff you up…

2Co 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some
that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing
themselves among themselves, are not wise.

What is the gold standard here?

1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us,
leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth
or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Now to the meat and potatoes…

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day,
to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks;
and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Why is eating and fasting (not eating) connected to days here? Let’s see…

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee,
that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

From Bullingers Companion Bible…

Luke 18:12

twice in the week. The law prescribed only one in the year (Lev_16:29. Num_29:7).
By the time of Zec_8:19 there were four yearly fasts.
In our Lord's day they were bi-weekly (Monday and Thursday), between Passover and Pentecost;
and between the Feast of Tabernacles and the Dedication.

Yes they fasted two days a week, Monday and Thursday, EVERY MONDAY and EVERY THURSDAY.

Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord:
whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both
of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather,
that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:
but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably.
Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Now Paul shifts his attention to meat offered to idols. At the time, meat and drink were offered
to pagan idols. After it was offered it was sold in a meat market called the ‘Shambles’.

1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

Shambles…

G3111
µa´?e????
makellon
Thayer Definition:
1) a place where meat and other articles of food are sold, meat market
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Latin origin [macellum]
Citing in TDNT: 4:370, 549

There were those who were weak in the faith (verse 1) who were offended by this.
They somehow thought that eating that food was somehow connecting them with the
idolatrous practices around them. This is why the following is written…

Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,
and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Meat here is…

G1035
ß???s??
bro¯sis
bro'-sis
From the base of G977; (abstractly) eating (literally or figuratively);
by extension (concretely) food (literally or figuratively): - eating, food, meat.

Notice it is food, not clean or unclean flesh.

G4213
p?´s??
posis
pos'-is
From the alternate of G4095; a drinking (the act), that is, (concretely) a draught: - drink.

Drinking, can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverages. Paul was dealing with ascetism
and the belief that doing without was somehow a show of character.
He dealt with this issue at Colossae also…

Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility,
and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace,
and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure;
but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

The word for meat here is broma, from Thayer’s…

G1033
ß???µa
bro¯ma
Thayer Definition:
1) that which is eaten, food
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G977
Citing in TDNT: 1:642, 111

Again, we are dealing with food.

Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby
thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

So, it is not dealing with clean and unclean, but with flesh (meat) and wine (drink)
that makes a weak brother stumble.

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God.
Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith:
for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

There is no passage in Rom 14 that deals with the Sabbath or clean and unclean meats.
The subjects are vegetarianism, fasting and food and drink offered to idols.

 

[Ariel82]

Yeah....you can ignore it or explain it away, both its still there.

Romans 14
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day,
to the Lord he doth not regard it.

It NOt about fasting or not fasting.

 

[Ariel82]

What possible difference should it make to you or me what day one man thinks is special, or another MAN thinks is special.

What are we to be convinced of? That we should listen to follow man where our religious tradition is concerned?

Isn't God the Judge, Didn't God create instructions for us? Are we not all to held accountable to God for who we choose to listen to?

I know there are "MANY" who come in Christ's name who use the Weak in Faith chapter to defend their religious traditions. I always thought this chapter condemns traditions of men.

"12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

Many of modern day Sabbath practices are man-made and not God ordained. That is why people claim we can't keep the Sabbath EVERY day. Some of the same people say praying without ceasing is impossible. However most honest people will admit that God commands we do that also.

 

[Ariel82]

Colossians 2
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

 

[Ariel82]

Folks will add to Colossians to make it mean only certain holy days or festivals and not weekly Sabbath, but I am a simple person.
.
I believe what God clearly says without adding or taking away from what is pretty basic to understand unless you have an agenda to judge folks who dont keep your version of the weekly Sabbath.

 

[Ariel82]

Now notice the parallel nature of the two passages of scriptures...they both speak of eating...they both speak of not judging....I would put forth they both speak of weekly sabbath, also.

If you want to keep fight scriptures about NOT JUDGING OtHERS CONCERNING A WEEKLY SABBATH...that is your choice.

I am going back to my study on scriptures about the Sabbath in the Old Testament.

 

[Pythons]

In Genesis it describes a day as evening and morning so apparently the biblical day starts at evening whatever time that starts. Some areas of the earth have constant daylight or darkness for 6 months a year. That's one long day. Based on this I don't believe that a day necessarily starts at sunset. For most of us, the day starts one second past midnight.

You're parroting the "Talmudic" Tradition, not the Biblical one.

"Days were reckoned from morning to morning... Following the reign of King Josia (c. 640-609), and especially after the Babylonian exile a number of significant and enduring changes occurred in the Israelite calendar showing that the Jews gradually adopted the Babylonian calendar of the time...the seven day week persisted despite its failure to divide evenly either the month or the year. the day however, was counted from evening to evening, after the Babylonian fashion..." (New Catholic Encyclopedia -Volume 11, p.1068)

"In Israel, the day was for a long time reckoned from morning to morning...and it was in fact in the morning, with the creation of light, that the world began; the distinction of day and night, and time too, began on a morning (Gen. 1:3-5, cf. 14:16, 18). The opposite conclusion has been drawn from the refrain which punctuates the story of creation: “There was an evening and there was a morning, the first, second, etc., day”; This phrase, however, coming after the description of each creative work (which clearly happens during the period of light), indicates rather the vacant time till the morning, the end of a day and the beginning of the next work...The change of reckoning must there fore have taken place between the end of the monarchy and the age of Nehemias... this would bring us to the beginning of the exile..." (Ancient Israel, p.181-182).

The Jews themselves admit the above as a "Talmudic Innovation".

"Second, the talmudic innovation of reckoning a day from the eve before suggests a larger view of life. While we may never know what prompted the Rabbis to reconfigure the day, the existential benefit is indisputable. By inaugurating the celebration of Shabbat or a festival at sunset, they have framed a stretch of time that can be ritually filled to heighten the religious experience. At the other end of the day, an eventide that does not mark a boundary between sacred and profane time would tend to be anti-climactic, an appendage of time to be endured till sunrise catches us unawares. To celebrate from sunset to sunset is to experience the passage of time each day consciously and bravely."

The ONLY Sabbath, according to Scripture, that was to be celebrated (started) the evening prior...
...WAS the Day of Atonement.

 

[prove-all]

Folks will add to Colossians to make it mean only certain holy days
or festivals and not weekly Sabbath, but I am a simple person.
.

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect
of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day:

You know that Anyone, keeping Passover and Unleavened bread feast,
or the [last supper] would fall under this here [meat and drink offerings].

In this verse we have Gods calender, Gods Sabbath,
Gods Sabbath, and meat and drink offerings.
No dought his verse covers all of these things, of Gods ways.
This verse does not say not to or to do any of them, but....

The Apostles continued to follow Gods calender, figured by the moon.
The Apostles continued to teach on, and keep Holy the Sabbath day.
The Apostles continued to keep Passover once a year, as directed by Jesus.
The Apostles continued to keep The Feast day, As directed by Jesus.
The Apostles continued to keep all The Days of Unleavened bread.

Both these convocations where ordained forever , before they
left Egypt,before one word of the old covenent was ever spoken.

-a memorial—not a shadow, a memorial—a feast—to be kept forever
A memorial of deliverance from Egypt, which pictures to us deliverance from sin!

The future we will again go back to the moon as our calender and and Gods ways.
And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from
one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord

17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
[to come]Present tence

At this point in time, Christ allready was risen, what shadows [to come]do they mean?
We know he is Our Passover Lamb, but this is only one of the 7 Sabbaths of our Lord.
They have special meaning for use even today, for still comming future.

Also the word [is] was added and was not inspired by paul, and should [not] be in there.
do not let anyone tell you about [Gods] sabbath holy days, but the body of Christ.


You should see what new translation do to destroy the meaning in verse 17 by adding