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It says the moment you believe YOU HAVE It
if you can lose it, it is CONDITIONAL not ETERNAL
Maybe you need to refocus on english and find out what words actually mean, In this case, english and greek mean the same, and can not be confused.
Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.
You should actually read what it says, John did not assume anything, He made the statment that there may still be peoplel there who are not yet saved, and they could be in danger like those who left.
Nice try, but you missed the major point.
John never said anyone who leaves is not p[art of the church, He said anyone who leaves who is now ANTICHRIST was never part of the church.
You know. People who CLAIMED they believed at one time, but LOST that belief, and now deny Christ?
I left church as a prodigal son for 5 years, i did not leave because I was never saved, and I came back, because of Gids chastening.
I never DENIED jesus as the christ.
once again, Just so you can not say you have been shown
THE PEOPLE JOHN SPOKE OF WERE THOSE WHO AT ONE TIME BELIEVED AND HAVE NOW LOST THEIR BELIEF.
oc course if history repeats. You will try to twist that to.
No, You do not understand the argument, I never stated or is our conversation EVER been about everyone who leaves.
it is ABOUT THOSE WHO AT ONE TIME BELIEVED< AND NOW DO NOT BELIEVE (they rehject christ)
I know many who stopped going to church, but still believe jesus is the christ. John is not talkin about them.
Will you finally open you eyes and see? Or continue to fight?
if you can lose it, it is CONDITIONAL not ETERNAL
Maybe you need to refocus on english and find out what words actually mean, In this case, english and greek mean the same, and can not be confused.
Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.
You should actually read what it says, John did not assume anything, He made the statment that there may still be peoplel there who are not yet saved, and they could be in danger like those who left.
Nice try, but you missed the major point.
John never said anyone who leaves is not p[art of the church, He said anyone who leaves who is now ANTICHRIST was never part of the church.
You know. People who CLAIMED they believed at one time, but LOST that belief, and now deny Christ?
I left church as a prodigal son for 5 years, i did not leave because I was never saved, and I came back, because of Gids chastening.
I never DENIED jesus as the christ.
once again, Just so you can not say you have been shown
THE PEOPLE JOHN SPOKE OF WERE THOSE WHO AT ONE TIME BELIEVED AND HAVE NOW LOST THEIR BELIEF.
oc course if history repeats. You will try to twist that to.
No, You do not understand the argument, I never stated or is our conversation EVER been about everyone who leaves.
it is ABOUT THOSE WHO AT ONE TIME BELIEVED< AND NOW DO NOT BELIEVE (they rehject christ)
I know many who stopped going to church, but still believe jesus is the christ. John is not talkin about them.
Will you finally open you eyes and see? Or continue to fight?
THE PEOPLE JOHN SPOKE OF WERE THOSE WHO AT ONE TIME BELIEVED AND HAVE NOW LOST THEIR BELIEF.
Did you mean to say exactly this?
Just checking so when I respond you won't bring out the overused forum 'strawman' claim.