Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

graceNpeace · Mar 22, 2018

You must think that we are really stupid...

Gen 26:5 is not proof of anything....
The word law is used but that does not prove that it is a reference to the TORAH.
In fact it CANNOT be a reference to the Torah because the Torah was given to Moses on Mount Sinai - not a moment before!

You cannot provide any Scriptural evidence that Abraham or any other individual prior to Moses had any knowledge of the Torah, or kept the Sabbath!
If there was you would have gleefully pointed it out.
Nothing mentioned in Gen 26:5 can be used as proof that Abraham kept the Torah or observed the Sabbath.

All of your huffing and puffing and numerous Scriptural quotes to try and bolster this position that the Patriarchs were in possession of the Torah all fall flat because you cannot point to ANY Scripture which details them receiving it.

Nobody denies that sin was present prior to the reception of the Torah on Mount Sinai. It entered the human race as documented in Genesis chapter 3. All it took was a single command from God that was broken. Neither Adam nor his wife were in possession of the Torah - they had no need of it!

Your belief that Abraham or any other of the Patriarchs were in possession of the Torah and observed the Sabbath is the purest speculation on your part....

The first mention of the Sabbath is Exodus 20:8 - and that is that.
There is absolutely no evidence of Sabbath observance prior to this otherwise YOU would provided the Scriptures, but they simply don't exist.

The Torah is NOT eternal and unchangeable in the way that the SDA Church insists.
It was temporary first of all, and it was the detail of a covenant that was made exclusively between God and the Israelites.
Paul, in explaining the purpose of the Law, also highlights its temporary nature:
Gal 3:19 NKJV
"19 [FONT=&quot]What purpose then [/FONT]does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator."
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If the Law was added it could only be that there was a time when it did not exist.
Does it have an expiration date?
Yes!
And Paul details this too!
"till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made"
The Seed is Jesus Christ and righteous requirements of the Law were met on our behalf by Him on the cross.

Gal 3: 24-25 NKJV
"[FONT=&quot]24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]25 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]"

As New covenant believers we are not under the Law as given to Moses by God on Mount Sinai.

So, New covenant believers are NOT subject to the Torah.

The Torah is NOT eternal, or eternally binding as the SDA Church tries to insist otherwise there was no way that Paul could write what he wrote in Galatians chapter 3.

The Patriarchs were NOT in possession of the Torah and could not have observed its statutes, much less observed the Sabbath, and no amount of twisting Scripture by the SDA can make it that way.
I am hugely confident that if such Scriptures existed that the SDA would have them up in lights with a fanfare of trumpets![/FONT]

Ariel82 · Mar 22, 2018

Exodus 20

18Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraidd and trembled, and they stood far off 19and said to Moses, “You speak to us, and we will listen; but do not let God speak to us, lest we die.” 20Moses said to the people, “Do not fear, for God has come to test you, that the fear of him may be before you, that you may not sin.” 21The people stood far off, while Moses drew near to the thick darkness where God was.

Ariel82 · Mar 22, 2018

Actually , graceNpeace, it's part of kabbalic Jewish tradition....some the same traditions Jesus preached against but has snucked back into popularity these latter days.

The purpose is to place people under the Law and have them reject God's grace and the true Gospel.

It's why so many people don't have God's peace or know what it means to rest in Christ

Ariel82 · Mar 22, 2018

John 14:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Ariel82 · Mar 22, 2018

Romans 3
20 For by works of the law no human being[c] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

prove-all · Mar 22, 2018

posthuman said:

Sorry what I said did not come out right. I meant that not looking at [the future prophecies]
about "things to come"declared in the old and new testement is like throwing half the bible away.

There is more prophecies about Christs Second coming then there is his first trip.
I tried to explain that Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, in post #548

But most say everything is already done, that is not true by a long shot.
Christ tells so much about these latter days we live in now, and the mill. to come .

Some of us want to learn this, some do not care at all, but it is in the bible to know.
If future events are recorded in the bible, why not understand what they are?

posthuman · Mar 22, 2018

Ariel82 said:

Galatians 4

17 They zealously court you, but for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them. 18 But it is good to be zealous in a good thing always, and not only when I am present with you. 19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you, 20 I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.

Two Covenants
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the[d] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”[f] 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

HEY STUDYDUDE

is this scripture talking about completely human made 'laws' that have no origin with God and are absolutely non-binding for all people at all times? About completely imaginary 'traditions of the Pharisees'?

Or is it talking in fact about TORAH?

Whoops!
your whole premise just went up in smoke!

posthuman · Mar 22, 2018

prove-all said:

Sorry what I said did not come out right. I meant that not looking at [the future prophecies]
about "things to come"declared in the old and new testement is like throwing half the bible away.

There is more prophecies about Christs Second coming then there is his first trip.
I tried to explain that Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, in post #548

But most say everything is already done, that is not true by a long shot.
Christ tells so much about these latter days we live in now, and the mill. to come .

Some of us want to learn this, some do not care at all, but it is in the bible to know.
If future events are recorded in the bible, why not understand what they are?

I didn't really think you meant it that way

prove-all · Mar 22, 2018

One of the biggest reasons the Jews at Jesus time rejected Him,
was that they had scripture of Him coming as a King to rule the world back then.

He first had to pay for our sins, But Christ is still coming back again,
but not as a Lamb, but as A Roaring Lion, to rule His ways.

prove-all · Mar 22, 2018

Ariel82 said:

Israel was invaded by Assyria, conquered, removed from their land as slaves.

The Jews later were without excuse. They had been warned by the prophets.
Jeremiah warned: “Thus saith the [Eternal]; Take heed to yourselves, and bear
no burden on the sabbath day…neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day,

as I commanded your fathers.… But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day,
and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day;
then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem,
and it shall not be quenched” (Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27).

That was the warning. The Jews did not heed it. Now see what happened!

“Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of
Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzar-adan, captain of the guard [today we would call
him general of the armies, or field marshal], which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem,
And burned the house of the [Eternal], and the king’s house; and all the houses of Jerusalem,
and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire” (Jeremiah 52:12-13).

When God warns, the punishment is sure!

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He scattered them, in national captivity and slavery.
“Because they had not executed MY judgments, but had despised MY statutes,
and had polluted MY sabbaths, and their eyes were after their FATHERS’ idols”
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“And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries
wherein ye are scattered…with fury poured out. And I will bring you into
the wilderness of the people [coming exodus—Jeremiah 23:7-8],

and there will I plead with you face to face” (Ezekiel 20:34-35).
“Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,

SO will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.…
And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress
against me… and YE shall know that I am the Lord” (verses 36-38).
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43And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled;
and ye shall [lothe yourselves] in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.

44And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake,
not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel,
saith the Lord God.

21But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned
among the heathen, whither they went.Therefore say unto the house of Israel,

27And I will put my spirit within you, and [cause you to walk] in [my statutes],
and ye[ shall] keep [my judgments], and do them.

28And ye shall dwell in the land that [I gave to your fathers]; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God. 29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:

31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good,
and [shall lothe yourselves] in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

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I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms; I will destroy the strength of the Gentile
kingdoms. I will overthrow the chariots And those who ride in them; The horses
and their riders shall come down, Every one by the sword of his brother.

The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should
be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those
who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

“I will bring distress upon men, And they shall walk like blind men, Because they have sinned
against the Lord; Their blood shall be poured out like dust, And their flesh like refuse.”

graceNpeace · Mar 22, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

PART 2/2

INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT CONTINUED...

Who will judge the wicked?

Psa 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
Psa 149:6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;
Psa 149:7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
Psa 149:8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Answer: The judgment of the wicked will be given to the Saints of God for their examination and ratification.

When will the judgment of the wicked by the Saints occur?

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Answer: During the millennium the Saints will judge the wicked. The righteous dead will be resurrected at the beginning of the thousand years to participate in this judgment of the wicked, but the wicked will not be resurrected until after the millennium and the examination of the evidence against the wicked has been completed.

How will the evidence against the wicked be presented?

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Psa 69:27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
Psa 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
Jer 2:22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.
Jer 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

Answer: The Saints during the millennium will have access to the heavenly books on the wicked and know why they are all lost. The wicked will not be found in the Lamb's book of life, but their wicked works will appear in the Book of Iniquity. At the conclusion of the millennium, the judgment of God the Father will be shown to have been fair and just, and so it will be affirmed by the Saints. All that will remain to be done is to execute (carry out) the judgment (sentence) of the court upon the wicked. This is the Executive judgment.

What happens at the conclusion of the Investigative Judgment of the wicked by the Saints?

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Answer: At the end of the 1000 years, the wicked will all be resurrected, and will be persuaded by Satan to attack the New Jerusalem (camp of the saints), to take it by force, so that they might gain access to the tree of life and thereby live forever. Instead, they will face Executive Judgment before the great white throne of Jesus Christ.

Who will execute judgment on the wicked?

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Answer: Jesus Christ will execute the judgment of the heavenly court upon the wicked.

What is the penalty imposed on the wicked?

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Answer: The penalty imposed on the wicked is eternal death.

What happens after the wicked are cast into the lake of fire and destroyed?

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (Source here)

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So GNP where is your scripture? (Sola Scriptura please)

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

A big who cares to all these Scriptures - just plucked at random....

Please show me the SCRIPTURAL BASIS for Jesus Christ entering the Holy of Holies in 1844....

beta · Mar 22, 2018

gb9 said:

when you are a Disciple of Jesus and walk with Him 24/7 you don't need to be told to keep the Sabbath day holy...it will be a 'given....you could do no other !!!
In the OT people did not have Christ or His Spirit so they HAD TO BE told, commanded and instructed...in the NT we have the living, walking talking Jesus not only as an example but actually to be IN HIM !!! How could you NOT keep it ?

graceNpeace · Mar 22, 2018

beta said:

when you are a Disciple of Jesus and walk with Him 24/7 you don't need to be told to keep the Sabbath day holy...it will be a 'given....you could do no other !!!
In the OT people did not have Christ or His Spirit so they HAD TO BE told, commanded and instructed...in the NT we have the living, walking talking Jesus not only as an example but actually to be IN HIM !!! How could you NOT keep it ?

More honey, but toxic all the same....

LoveGodForever · Mar 22, 2018

graceNpeace said:

Says those who have no scripture for their cause

beta · Mar 22, 2018

Ariel82 said:

I agree with you about excessive long posts...nobody reads them...but I tried to converse with you in a simple sentense with you and there was no response or a derogatory remark at best. So NO you are not perfect at communicating yourself.

graceNpeace · Mar 22, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Hardly....

You quoting hundreds of unrelated texts does not make your case either....
Really all it does it confirm in most peoples minds your lack of credibility.

Especially when you repeat lies over and over again about things that are easy to refute - like your standard accusation that the RCC is responsible for Sunday worship.

Perhaps these tactics work in your Sabbath school, where, after all, you have a captive audience that will not readily disagree with you, but here, some of us, at least, have a lot more education, and have read a lot more widely, than you clearly believe, and can easily discern the falsehoods that you peddle.

LoveGodForever · Mar 22, 2018

graceNpeace said:

I see and you quoting yourself over God's WORD not being able to disprove any of these posts and the scriptures in them makes you credible.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Here we are 29+ pages latter in this thread and not a single scripture in support of the OP "God's Sabbath should be kept EVERYDAY!" AMAZING

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Where does it say in God's WORD as you claim that God's SABBATH is EVERYDAY?

Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY?

Sola Scriptura where have you gone and does anyone care?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

graceNpeace · Mar 22, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Just today I have both quoted several texts proving that the TORAH is set aside and no longer in operation for New covenant believers.
I have also refuted your claims that the hundreds of texts you quoted claiming that they refer to the "Ten commandments" is in fact false.
I have proved that the early church met on the first day of the week - again by quoting Scripture.

Your claim about the lack of Scripture is a lie.
The fact that you don't like what those Scriptures say - now that is a different matter...

Your claim of sola scriptura is a pure farce - a cunning lie.
You have indeed confirmed that the doctrine of the investigative judgment is a doctrine that you hold to!

Yet this doctrine is a pure fabrication cooked up by an individual (Ellen G. White), who suffered from temporal lobe epilepsy, and whose "visions" were nothing less than complex partial seizures - certainly not from God.
I asked you to prove, from Scripture, how it could be that Jesus Christ entered the Holy of Holies in 1844.
As far as I know, you have not done this, and, simply put, it cannot be done....
After all the whole charade was just cooked up to try and avoid the embarrassment of a failed prophesy that Jesus Christ would return in 1844, is it not?

Sola scriptura from the SDA church - now there's a joke!

lightbearer · Mar 22, 2018

graceNpeace said:

Prove it please.

Satan is; the RCC is just one of the tools he used to propagate this lie.

lightbearer · Mar 22, 2018

graceNpeace said:

More trolling remarks because you have nothing of any value to add to refute the post to which you were responding to.

Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

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