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p_rehbein said:
Still waiting for one of you Sages of Scripture to get Jesus told right!

Come on now......put on them big boy pants and set Him straight!
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Again, I am the one condensending and attacking here.

Imagine Him saying we have to do something to get into Heaven........

One of you clue Him in on if we have to do something, it ain't free!

That Jesus, He is such a troublemaker. Goodness.

Come on now............how about you Roger? You are a great Theologian........get Him told!

Matthew 7:21)
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Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Come on Roger, tell Him how it ain't free iffin you gotta do something, tell Him how you have entered into His rest and all the work is done..........tell Him how it's HIM that has to do the work from within you. Come on Roger.

And, shoot, don't bother going to work anymore! If the Boss calls, just tell him that Jesus is there doing it! Now, if he tells you he will give your paycheck to Jesus, you MIGHT have second thoughts huh?

Come on Roger............GET THEM BIG BOY PANTS ON!
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He did say we have to do something, We have to stop rejecting him and recieve his gift in faith.
 
p_rehbein said:
Still waiting for one of you Sages of Scripture to get Jesus told right!

Come on now......put on them big boy pants and set Him straight!

Imagine Him saying we have to do something to get into Heaven........

One of you clue Him in on if we have to do something, it ain't free!

That Jesus, He is such a troublemaker. Goodness.

Come on now............how about you Roger? You are a great Theologian........get Him told!

Matthew 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Come on Roger, tell Him how it ain't free iffin you gotta do something, tell Him how you have entered into His rest and all the work is done..........tell Him how it's HIM that has to do the work from within you. Come on Roger.

And, shoot, don't bother going to work anymore! If the Boss calls, just tell him that Jesus is there doing it! Now, if he tells you he will give your paycheck to Jesus, you MIGHT have second thoughts huh?

Come on Roger............GET THEM BIG BOY PANTS ON!
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I think you are looking at that Mathew verse humanly.

I don't see the verse as a warning for me so much as...a comfort for me. A...reconfirmation, because I see that He has worked in me from the inside out to make me a doer of His will by giving me less arrogance, more humility, patience, forgiveness.

The verse used to be like a warning to me but somewhere along the line it became comfort to me...
 
eternally-gratefull said:
since when is giving a different view an attack?

If you think that is an attack maybe you need to go find a chatroom where people do not disagree with you.

Who was it that said I need to put my pants on??????

seems you need to put some on yourself
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Well...I DO agree that you should put your pants on. Running around without them is probably cause for banning...;)
 
p_rehbein said:
What I would "like" is for these people to own up to the Truth that God has WORK for us to do here on earth, and to get off their butts, quit crying like a bunch of babies about not having to work, and get out there and DO WHAT GOD HAS PURPOSED THEM TO DO.

How about you?
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And again, I am the one who is attacking.

And I would ask who is not doing what he said here, I would again agree with him, Sanctification is the work of God, but it also takes our cooperation (unlike justification, which there is nothing we can do)

even so, GODS PEOPLE WILL WORK. Elephent here seems to think they may not, Is this not the issue we need to discuss.

and to add to the fact he things this is REQUIRED to maintain salvation? is that not an ISSUE??
 
notuptome said:
What is your problem? Never have I ever said we should not yield ourselves to the service of our Lord and Savior. What I have objected to is this foolishness that one can become lost if they do not measure up to some unknowable standard that is applied in a completely arbitrary fashion.
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Here is the issue people. It is not that we should work. It is the SLANDER that keeps being SPEWED our way.

and the LEGALISM which goes with it (that works are required to maintain (and no I did not say works of the law. so stop))
 
EG you cracked me up. Couldn't give rep. Me hacking a computer would be like a dog baking a cake. Impossible. I can barely get it turned on!
 
My two cents: I think such squabbling is unfortunate, but, hey, there was "much disputing" in the book of Acts too . . .

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP's burden: I think he sees many who only "profess" Christ and do not work diligently in His kingdom. Our world today is a sad place: more and more are getting caught in the Devil's many threads of lust, greed, sports, drink, fame, money, and all other kinds of substitutes instead of Jesus Christ. Less and less are living wholeheartedly for the kingdom of God!

But I do think it is unfortunate that he used this title:

Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity

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I do not think that the Scriptures given (or any Scriptures) teach that it is works or obedience that secures eternity. We are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith. Then God's grace through our faith produces God's workmanship in us!

Often the issue is that different people from different backgrounds say things differently and react to different ways of saying things. That may be part of what is happening here.

That was my two cents: Now here is my five cents: nickel! :)

I highly respect many here who believe in OSAS, but I disagree with that belief. If OSAS is true, it makes works irrelevant and unnecessary to get to heaven. Most (maybe all?) who believe in OSAS here believe in discipleship, teach discipleship, and live discipleship.

So I will come out saying that works are included in the picture and are relevant to continue to stay saved and to get to heaven. But it is not the works that secures salvation or maintains salvation, but it is grace through faith.

We are not saved by "faith alone" - such a thing does not exist - we are saved by a faith that evidences itself in our works.




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eternally-gratefull said:
I never gave you a demand, I gave you an option. I asked you if you could answer or not. Your refusal to answer an easy question is on you.

well I guess I should have known better than to expect you to be honest.

1. I do not have to prove ANYONE IN THIS THREAD said we must obey the law to be saved. So since I never said they did, thus your resistance just because I will not show who did is non sense. and a non issue.

2. The op says we must obey the law of Jesus, and by doing this, we assure salvation.

I asked what is the difference between those who demand law must be followed (you know who they are, they are all over this chatroom, even if they have not pocked their faces in this thread yet.) and what elephant here is saying (demand the law of Christ must be followed)

Can you answer or not?

I did not say you were wrong when you said no one here was saying the law was required. You took me wrong (as you usually do)

can you answer or not? Is there a difference?
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Stunnedbygrace said:
I think you are looking at that Mathew verse humanly.

I don't see the verse as a warning for me so much as...a comfort for me. A...reconfirmation, because I see that He has worked in me from the inside out to make me a doer of His will by giving me less arrogance, more humility, patience, forgiveness.

The verse used to be like a warning to me but somewhere along the line it became comfort to me...
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I to find it comforting. Because I am quite willing, and trying to do what God has purposed me to do. I strive daily to walk obediently to the Commandments of Christ and do what God has purposed me to do. Because I am obedient to His Commandments/Will, I know my future is securely in His Kingdom.

The Scripture doesn't lend itself to misinterpretation. Those who do Gods will enter into Heaven, those who do not do Gods will----do not. This is not works Salvation, it is obedience to God and Christ. So many people can not understand that, but that is on them, not me. If a believer never does what God tells them to do........how can they possibly believe that they will still enter into His Kingdom?

Anyway.........
 
oh no

please please please somebody tell me this did not just deteriorate into the usual MISUNDERSTANDING of OBEDIENCE and works of the law

that cannot be honestly answered if indeed, that has just happened

the same people, all the time, objecting by interjecting the law when no law was brought up

no, I'm not going to hang around for the argument...it's useless as almost 3000 pages already attest

I'd like to believe it can be understood, but if the same people keep saying the same things?

it's like nails on a blackboard already
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and you quoted my post above and said this
whats the difference between saying the law of Moses must be obeyed to be maintain salvation, or the law of Christ must be obeyed to maintain salvation?

Is not works of sanctification done BECAUSE we are saved, not in order to maintain it?​
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and then I said this
ummmmm
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what should I say? should I say please show me the post wherein someone used the words 'the law of Christ must be obeyed to maintain salvation?'

ok...well then...please open my eyes that I might see...glimpses of this word theology...cause I have not seen, nor have I heard, where this expression was said, except by your word

ummm....do you really see works to obtain and obedience to PROVE, illustrate, indicate or show, righteousness?
thankfully leaving in a few to hit the stores​
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and then you came back with your trademark reply that ignores what someone said (you do this to everyone that has a different thought about something than you do)
so you can not answer the question?

I never said someone in this thread said the law of moses must be obeyed to maintain salvation now did I?

I asked what the difference is between those who say we must obey the law to maintain salvation and this op. which says obeying the law of Christ must be obeyed to maintain salvation.

Can you answer?
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well dude if you never said someone said what you want to argue about (that has NO bearing on the thread) why bring it up in the first place?

seems you just want to make a point that you think you can spin on and this is your pattern

I had you on ignore quite a while and I think it best to not respond to someone who goes off topic and gets all indignant because someone will not take up the challenge

when I responded to this thread, I agreed with the op

and you know, it's just on you, that you are so immature that you insist people have to answer to you

I just laid out what you did in case someone missed it

this goes on constantly in the 3000, give or take a few pages, thread that is one almost constant bickering and slicing and dicing opportunity

you bring that same judgemental spirit from that thread with you into others that you fancy you need to take task to

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