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Brother you said nothing wrong, the Bible never calls her queen of anything she is call blessed amoung women in Luke 1:28 NKJV “28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”…. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.”
The ESV “28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”….30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.”
The word for "favor" in the Greek is "CHARIS" is also interpreted grace in other places in the Bible, like Ephesians 3:2, 7 “2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,…. 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.”
My point is that Mary found grace in the Lord, if she was the queen of heaven or had any type of diety qualities she would not need grace and all of the human race needs, only sinners need God's grace.
Hope that helps relieve some of your distress.
The ESV “28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”….30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.”
The word for "favor" in the Greek is "CHARIS" is also interpreted grace in other places in the Bible, like Ephesians 3:2, 7 “2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,…. 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.”
My point is that Mary found grace in the Lord, if she was the queen of heaven or had any type of diety qualities she would not need grace and all of the human race needs, only sinners need God's grace.
Hope that helps relieve some of your distress.
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Second, just because something is not contradicted by Scripture doesn't mean it is consistent with Scripture. There also isn't a single verse that suggests that Mary is the bridge of the Holy Spirit. The idea is completely non-biblical. It purports something directly related to God, and it is not from God's word. It is an "addition to Scripture".
Second, just because something is not contradicted by Scripture doesn't mean it is consistent with Scripture. There also isn't a single verse that suggests that Mary is the bridge of the Holy Spirit. The idea is completely non-biblical. It purports something directly related to God, and it is not from God's word. It is an "addition to Scripture".
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No I'm sorry I don't believe Mary give birth to her spouse even in the spiritual sense, she give birth to her first born Son, who is the Son of God.
Jesus was the word in the flesh, the living tabernacle, the same was in the beginning anything created was created through him. the Holy Spirit is liken to the eyes and ears of God.
Jesus was the word in the flesh, the living tabernacle, the same was in the beginning anything created was created through him. the Holy Spirit is liken to the eyes and ears of God.
Not in any sense.She is one of the many liviely stones that makes up the spirtual unseen house of the church as His eternal bride. The bride of Christ is the mother of us all not Mary one of the lively stones
Spiritual sense as that not seen?
Did she give birth to the eternal Spirit of God, the one Holy Father of all spirits who is not a man as us? He came in a physical since the Son of Man inherited a corruptible body of flesh in which Christ informs us it could not profit. A body of flesh typified as sinful was necessary for a outward one time demonstration as God being faithful to His promise to pour out His Spirit "not seen" on the flesh according to he prophecy of Joel.Not pour out his flesh on flesh
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.Rom 8:3
He did not condem sin in the flesh by flesh .His Spirit quickens our new soul. His flesh propfits for nothing,zip, nada
As a Catholic you must walk after the flesh as if the kingdom of God was of this world
It’s the foundation of Catholic sects belief that the promised Holy Spirit as our comforter and teacher did not come when the Son of man left as he promised he would.They must dismiss the warning applied to those who do say we do need to walk by sight needing a man to teach us and therefore seek after the approval of the fathers as venerable ones rather than of the Holy Spirit that does in every believer, having the excellence of the power that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure.
The Catholic simply turn that upside and insist we must seek excellence of the power of the what they must call "venerable" (worship-able) ones
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God, and not of us.
All that is written in the law and the prophets ( sola scriptura ) has no place in the Catholic faith, their faith comes in men seen as to "who is the greatest" gets venerated the highest not a faith comming from our heavenly Father.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:22
Easy to answer,(yes or no) either we need a man to teach us or we can rely on the promies from the Holy Spirit , the infalible teacher, comforter and guide who also brings to mind that which he has taught us.
Spiritual sense as that not seen?
Did she give birth to the eternal Spirit of God, the one Holy Father of all spirits who is not a man as us? He came in a physical since the Son of Man inherited a corruptible body of flesh in which Christ informs us it could not profit. A body of flesh typified as sinful was necessary for a outward one time demonstration as God being faithful to His promise to pour out His Spirit "not seen" on the flesh according to he prophecy of Joel.Not pour out his flesh on flesh
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.Rom 8:3
He did not condem sin in the flesh by flesh .His Spirit quickens our new soul. His flesh propfits for nothing,zip, nada
As a Catholic you must walk after the flesh as if the kingdom of God was of this world
It’s the foundation of Catholic sects belief that the promised Holy Spirit as our comforter and teacher did not come when the Son of man left as he promised he would.They must dismiss the warning applied to those who do say we do need to walk by sight needing a man to teach us and therefore seek after the approval of the fathers as venerable ones rather than of the Holy Spirit that does in every believer, having the excellence of the power that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure.
The Catholic simply turn that upside and insist we must seek excellence of the power of the what they must call "venerable" (worship-able) ones
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God, and not of us.
All that is written in the law and the prophets ( sola scriptura ) has no place in the Catholic faith, their faith comes in men seen as to "who is the greatest" gets venerated the highest not a faith comming from our heavenly Father.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:22
Easy to answer,(yes or no) either we need a man to teach us or we can rely on the promies from the Holy Spirit , the infalible teacher, comforter and guide who also brings to mind that which he has taught us.
BUT He didn't do it the way it's done today... It was a super natural conception.. John 1:1-5
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Did Mary have anything to do with giving birth to the Word? Nope. Mary was not around in the beginning.
John 1:14-17
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
But the Word was made flesh. That was the part that Mary was involved in. The flesh.
Mary doesn't give us grace and truth. The Lord Jesus gives us Grace and Truth.
Are we attempting to separate the divinity of Christ from the humanity of Christ? NO.
We are showing that the Lord Jesus Christ was God before He was born in the flesh. Mary couldn't have been the Mother of God. She was the mother of Jesus.
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[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Did Mary have anything to do with giving birth to the Word? Nope. Mary was not around in the beginning.
John 1:14-17
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
But the Word was made flesh. That was the part that Mary was involved in. The flesh.
Mary doesn't give us grace and truth. The Lord Jesus gives us Grace and Truth.
Are we attempting to separate the divinity of Christ from the humanity of Christ? NO.
We are showing that the Lord Jesus Christ was God before He was born in the flesh. Mary couldn't have been the Mother of God. She was the mother of Jesus.
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Almost the most breathtakingly false proposition I have heard on this forum - and that is going some!!!!!
The measure or standard of truth (theological truth) is NOT the Roman Catholic Church, NOT EVER, it is the Word of God and the Word of God alone!
If the evidence for a doctrine is not to be found in Scripture it has NO place in Christian belief and practice!
Can I say this any more emphatically!!
The measure or standard of truth (theological truth) is NOT the Roman Catholic Church, NOT EVER, it is the Word of God and the Word of God alone!
If the evidence for a doctrine is not to be found in Scripture it has NO place in Christian belief and practice!
Can I say this any more emphatically!!