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Tommy379 said:
If you admit, you don't know what is in the heart of this man, why do you call him a coward?
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I explained myself on that already ... Now, how about you take a turn at explaining something ... When I make an offer to help someone in private, how can you know what is in my heart ? ...
 
tourist said:
I think that she was only trying to help you and be a peacemaker. Tommy is not a bad guy either and has endured much trouble in his life as well.

I pray that God provides clarity of thought on how to proceed in her life on whether to remain with her husband or each go their own separate ways. Her husband does have the right to remain in the lives of his children though and she would be wise not to try to alienate her children from their father despite what he has done to her.

I speak from experience of what my ex-wife put me through and how she tried to turn my daughter against me. My ex was the one who sought divorce as she said that she didn't love me anymore. I am not sure if this is true or not for the OP of this thread. Tommy could tell you a similar horror story of the hell his ex wife put him through. This has allowed him to speak from experience as well and his words should be considered regarding the OP.

I don't really believe that everyone is against you either but do believe it would be helpful to consider the feelings of others as well as your own. I'm just trying to be helpful here and it's nothing personal.
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I know all too well, about men on the internet, involving themselves with vulnerable wives, leading to divorce and the children being taken 2200 miles away.
 
Pontiac said:
I explained myself on that already ... Now, how about you take a turn at explaining something ... When I make an offer to help someone in private, how can you know what is in my heart ? ...
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Men shouldn't be speaking to married women in private.
 
Tommy379 said:
If you admit, you don't know what is in the heart of this man, why do you call him a coward?
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And when you don't know what is in my heart, then why do you continue making lewd suggestions and accusations ? ...
 
Tommy379 said:
Men shouldn't be speaking to married women in private.
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That is total nonsense ... A woman merely speaking to another man in private and seeking his help with a situation is not forbidden anywhere within the Bible ... Obviously you are relying upon your own understanding and not relying upon the word of God ... The rule you just spoke is your rule ... It is not spoken in the Bible, therefore it is not God's rule ...

So, you pretend to know what is in my heart and continue to spew forth false accusations because of a rule that you made up yourself and a rule that has absolutely no basis in scripture ... That is not wise ...
 
Tommy379 said:
I know all too well, about men on the internet, involving themselves with vulnerable wives, leading to divorce and the children being taken 2200 miles away.
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Agreed, there is much evil on the internet and in this world in general ... However, there is also those who are genuine in their offer of help ... When you classify another as being deceitful in his offer of help, with no evidence of him being a liar, then you are showing much prejudice ... Do you have evidence of me being a liar ? ... If you do, would you please reveal it for all to see ? ...
 
Tommy379 said:
Nothing lewd, I believe you to have malice.
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So, you make lewd suggestions and false accusations because you "believe" something is true ... That is the definition of malice right there ... So, because you "believe" something is going on you have done it yourself ... What you are believing is false ... And what you are doing is not supported by any scripture ... In fact, it is forbidden in many verses which I have already shown to you regarding the bearing of false witness ... You could stop making these mistakes and treat a person more fairly if you wanted to ... How about you stop accusing me of things unless you have some sort of proof of your accusations ... Is that how you prefer for others to treat you ? ...
 
What I’m learning is that Satan is attacking marriages left and right. If I were you, I’d fast and pray and come against every plot of the enemy. Ask God to show you what schemes, plots, and devices that the enemy is using against your marriage. Speak the word of God over your marriage, children, husband and yourself. I’ll be praying with you!
 
loverofJesus82 said:
Enlighten me please!?
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this will be our Heavenly Fathers' choice, not ours for what you need right now...

we definitely don't think that you are a deliberate 'liar', but merely a true seeker,
as all of us are...
 
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Pontiac said:
So, you make lewd suggestions and false accusations because you "believe" something is true ... That is the definition of malice right there ... So, because you "believe" something is going on you have done it yourself ... What you are believing is false ... And what you are doing is not supported by any scripture ... In fact, it is forbidden in many verses which I have already shown to you regarding the bearing of false witness ... You could stop making these mistakes and treat a person more fairly if you wanted to ... How about you stop accusing me of things unless you have some sort of proof of your accusations ... Is that how you prefer for others to treat you ? ...
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You are the one who told the OP to go dad shopping, and called her husband a coward, then suggested she message you privately.
 
Hi! Sis :) I've been coming in and out of your thread since you posted this...i feel like i wanted to say something but I was thinking that I am not in the position to give you the advice you need...because i am not even married yet...

I only have some words i wanted to tell you...I believe that you and your husband will survive all of what you and your family are going through :) You only need to let go and forgive and start to trust your husband again...i understand it is not easy...but you have to...to save your family...You still love your husband and you missed him and don't want your family to be broken then take that courageous move...reach out...find him...call him... ask him to come home and sit down with him...tell him everything...your pain,bitterness,disappointments...all... and tell him you still love him...He is the only person you need to talk..only him...it is between you and him...it is your family...your relationship with the person you made a vow to be together for better,for worse...




I just prayed for you...





God bless you and your family ❤
 
Tommy379 said:
You are the one who told the OP to go dad shopping, and called her husband a coward, then suggested she message you privately.
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That is all very true ... You may not agree with my opinion of her husband and my offer to help her privately ... You don't have to agree with any of it ... However, it was all done honestly and with the best intention of helping her to move forward in her life ... I also suggested for her to read her Bible and to pray for God to help her ... You have "assumed" much malice without any proof of any whatsoever ... That is improper judging of another as a liar because you have no evidence to support this other than your false beliefs ... You "believe" you know what is in my heart and you "pretend" to know what is in my heart, but you do not know ... And your belief is of something that is false ... How long are you going to continue to convict me strictly on the basis of your false beliefs ? ... Each and every time you do this in print in front of this entire forum you are bearing false witness ... If you wish to think these things in your mind that is also not good, but to share your false beliefs and try to convince others of their validity is much worse ... I realize you don't trust me and that is fine ... You don't have to trust me ... But you should not continue bearing false witness with no proof whatsoever that your beliefs are true ... If you have any proof that your beliefs are in fact true would you please share that information for all to see ? ...
 
Pontiac said:
That is all very true ... You may not agree with my opinion of her husband and my offer to help her privately ... You don't have to agree with any of it ... However, it was all done honestly and with the best intention of helping her to move forward in her life ... I also suggested for her to read her Bible and to pray for God to help her ... You have "assumed" much malice without any proof of any whatsoever ... That is improper judging of another as a liar because you have no evidence to support this other than your false beliefs ... You "believe" you know what is in my heart and you "pretend" to know what is in my heart, but you do not know ... And your belief is of something that is false ... How long are you going to continue to convict me strictly on the basis of your false beliefs ? ... Each and every time you do this in print in front of this entire forum you are bearing false witness ... If you wish to think these things in your mind that is also not good, but to share your false beliefs and try to convince others of their validity is much worse ... I realize you don't trust me and that is fine ... You don't have to trust me ... But you should not continue bearing false witness with no proof whatsoever that your beliefs are true ... If you have any proof that your beliefs are in fact true would you please share that information for all to see ? ...
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You told a married woman to go dad shopping, called her husband a coward, and suggested she message you privately.
 
Tommy379 said:
You told a married woman to go dad shopping, called her husband a coward, and suggested she message you privately.
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That is all very true ... You may not agree with my opinion of her husband and my offer to help her privately ... You don't have to agree with any of it ... However, it was all done honestly and with the best intention of helping her to move forward in her life ... I also suggested for her to read her Bible and to pray for God to help her ... You have "assumed" much malice without any proof of any whatsoever ... That is improper judging of another as a liar because you have no evidence to support this other than your false beliefs ... You "believe" you know what is in my heart and you "pretend" to know what is in my heart, but you do not know ... And your belief is of something that is false ... How long are you going to continue to convict me strictly on the basis of your false beliefs ? ... Each and every time you do this in print in front of this entire forum you are bearing false witness ... If you wish to think these things in your mind that is also not good, but to share your false beliefs and try to convince others of their validity is much worse ... I realize you don't trust me and that is fine ... You don't have to trust me ... But you should not continue bearing false witness with no proof whatsoever that your beliefs are true ... If you have any proof that your beliefs are in fact true would you please share that information for all to see ? ...

Much proof of your malice exists right here within these pages ... Where is your proof of any malice on my part ? ... You already admitted you have none by saying it was merely your belief ... It is not only my belief concerning your malice and your bearing of false witness as I can point to many posts here to prove that beyond any doubt ...
 
Pontiac said:
Why do you condemn me for MY opinion ? ... You also do not know what is in the heart of this man at this moment ... Is your opinion so much more valuable than another ? ... God is not going to interject Himself into that man's heart unless the man asks for His help ... God is fully capable of taking care of that woman and her children without any man present if that is of His Will ... Why does everyone think the man must be present here for the family to succeed ? ... That may be the ideal situation for the man to repent and return, but God does not require that in order for these other souls to be protected ...
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Please provide the number of the Post submitted by me wherein I condemned you for YOUR opinion.

Thank you.


In reading through posts submitted by loveofJesus82 in this thread, it appears she does not want the relationship to end and she would be open to reconciliation.

if that is the case, and if husband and loveofJesus82 are really serious about mending their relationship, there is no reason why the marriage should end.

It will take time and both will have to work at getting past this situation. A lot of people think a relationship is based on each person giving 50 / 50. But this is not true. Each person must give 100 / 100 in order to have a vibrant relationship in which husband and wife grow closer and closer each day.

In this situation, it would probably be best if loveofJesus82 and husband would seek marriage counseling. And the counselor should be a believer who understands marriage from a Scriptural perspective.
 
reneweddaybyday said:
Please provide the number of the Post submitted by me wherein I condemned you for YOUR opinion.

Thank you.


In reading through posts submitted by loveofJesus82 in this thread, it appears she does not want the relationship to end and she would be open to reconciliation.

if that is the case, and if husband and loveofJesus82 are really serious about mending their relationship, there is no reason why the marriage should end.

It will take time and both will have to work at getting past this situation. A lot of people think a relationship is based on each person giving 50 / 50. But this is not true. Each person must give 100 / 100 in order to have a vibrant relationship in which husband and wife grow closer and closer each day.

In this situation, it would probably be best if loveofJesus82 and husband would seek marriage counseling. And the counselor should be a believer who understands marriage from a Scriptural perspective.
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You did that when you stated I do not know what is in his heart ... That is a statement that applies to both of us and to both of our opinions ... When you mention that about one opinion but not the other, then that is showing favoritism towards your own opinion while condemning or attempting to lessen the other ... Your statement was obviously true of both of us, so why even mention such a thing if it is not intended to subject some sort of bias ? ... post was number 53 ...
 
Pontiac said:
That is all very true ... You may not agree with my opinion of her husband and my offer to help her privately ... You don't have to agree with any of it ... However, it was all done honestly and with the best intention of helping her to move forward in her life ... I also suggested for her to read her Bible and to pray for God to help her ... You have "assumed" much malice without any proof of any whatsoever ... That is improper judging of another as a liar because you have no evidence to support this other than your false beliefs ... You "believe" you know what is in my heart and you "pretend" to know what is in my heart, but you do not know ... And your belief is of something that is false ... How long are you going to continue to convict me strictly on the basis of your false beliefs ? ... Each and every time you do this in print in front of this entire forum you are bearing false witness ... If you wish to think these things in your mind that is also not good, but to share your false beliefs and try to convince others of their validity is much worse ... I realize you don't trust me and that is fine ... You don't have to trust me ... But you should not continue bearing false witness with no proof whatsoever that your beliefs are true ... If you have any proof that your beliefs are in fact true would you please share that information for all to see ? ...

Much proof of your malice exists right here within these pages ... Where is your proof of any malice on my part ? ... You already admitted you have none by saying it was merely your belief ... It is not only my belief concerning your malice and your bearing of false witness as I can point to many posts here to prove that beyond any doubt ...
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Why are you still here?
 
Tommy379 said:
Why are you still here?
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Why are you under some impression that you can intimidate someone into leaving ? ... You should ask yourself the same question, why are you still here ... I have spoken much more biblical truth than you have ... In fact you have offered zero biblical truth of anything ... Only your false beliefs and false accusations ...
 
Pontiac said:
Why are you under some impression that you can intimidate someone into leaving ? ... You should ask yourself the same question, why are you still here ... I have spoken much more biblical truth than you have ... In fact you have offered zero biblical truth of anything ... Only your false beliefs and false accusations ...
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You told a married woman to go dad shopping, called her husband a coward, and suggested she message you privately.

The FBI would call each of those actions a clue. Put them together, you got yourself a case.

Where is it in the bible for a woman to go dad shopping?
 
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