Hate Islam , love muslims!

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The reason why there is freedom of worship in the western word and indeed some parts of Africa is due to Christian governments. God gives humans the right to choose to follow Him or not; read Joshua 24:15 John 1:12-13. The stake burnings the occured in the dark ages were not backed by any christian scripture, in fact the bible advises us not to argue or force our beliefs on others; read also Romans 14.
The old testament approves stake burnings towards "wizards" and "witches". But that was only something that god commended the jews to do during OT-times.
 
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There's little indication we've actually exited the dark ages. ;)
 
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Many, many times, in the Bible, God sent His people to destroy those who worship false Gods ... I wouldn't exactly say that was God being in favor of Christians having fellowship with them ... The Bible states there is a time for every emotion, including hate and anger ... It is not to rule a person, but Solomon explains there is a time for it ... When one has confessed to wanting to murder your family, I have to believe that is one of those times ...
 

Magenta

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Islam is a false religion, nothing wrong to say that. But to say that Islam is a violent religion is wrong and bullying. The violence in quran have a historical context, muslims where attacked by pagans, persians, jewish tribes and ortodox christians from roman empire, read the full verses in quran and see for yourself. Quran tells muslims to treat non-muslims good and even call judaism and christianity "people of the book". There is even verses in the Quran which says that if a enemy soldier have a change of mind and stops with the opression then he must be given mercy, how many religions tells you to forgive your enemies? It is only Islam, Christianity and Buddhism. Fact is, the bible is more violent than quran.

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)."

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html
Islam teaches violence that is not constrained by any historical context, quite contrary to what you claim. If you were under their rule, you would be subject to extra taxes and treated as a second class citizen. That is, if they allowed you to live, for their religion seeks dominance over others by the sword if necessary, and to deny this is to deny the historical reality of how Islam has been spread. You say the Bible is more violent than the Quran, but the Bible does not tell us to kill our enemies as Islamic texts do. You have also failed to grasp the concept of abrogation, which rules how the Quran is viewed, for it is not ordered historically but by verse length, yet the verses that were written later have supremacy over earlier verses. There are 109 verses telling them to kill people of the book and those who oppose them. Compare to zero verses telling us to kill our enemy. Yes, you have been deceived. That is also taught in Islam, to deceive those you seek to subjugate. It is called taqiya.
 
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Islam teaches violence that is not constrained by any historical context, quite contrary to what you claim. If you were under their rule, you would be subject to extra taxes and treated as a second class citizen. That is, if they allowed you to live, for their religion seeks dominance over others by the sword if necessary, and to deny this is to deny the historical reality of how Islam has been spread. You say the Bible is more violent than the Quran, but the Bible does not tell us to kill our enemies as Islamic texts do. You have also failed to grasp the concept of abrogation, which rules how the Quran is viewed, for it is not ordered historically but by verse length, yet the verses that were written later have supremacy over earlier verses. There are 109 verses telling them to kill people of the book and those who oppose them. Compare to zero verses telling us to kill our enemy. Yes, you have been deceived. That is also taught in Islam, to deceive those you seek to subjugate. It is called taqiya.

you have islamophobia.
 

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You may have common sense derangement syndrome ...
The ideal person to Islamists is an adulterous war mongering pedophile, but they call it blasphemy to tell the truth about Mohammed... and if you are a Muslim, but seek to leave the "religion" you are to be killed, and that is in their texts also. So sad that so many are so ignorant to the facts.

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."[SUB][/SUB]
 
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you have islamophobia.
What a defense...

Magenta didn't say anything about Islam that wasn't true. Don't be fooled by people who say that Islam is a religion of peace. They can say that until they're blue in the face and it still won't be true.

Do your research and you will find out for yourself.

Here's a place to start: [video]https://youtu.be/ho36nykNdZc[/video]
 

Magenta

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What a defense...

Magenta didn't say anything about Islam that wasn't true. Don't be fooled by people who say that Islam is a religion of peace. They can say that until they're blue in the face and it still won't be true.

Do your research and you will find out for yourself.

Here's a place to start: [video]https://youtu.be/ho36nykNdZc[/video]
His "defense" is called an ad hominem attack, which is the logical fallacy people use when they have no real argument.

Ad hominem is a logical fallacy that involves a personal attack: an argument based on the perceived failings of an adversary rather than on the merits of the case. Also called argumentum ad hominem, abusive ad hominem, poisoning the well, ad personam, and mud slinging.
 

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Most Americans falsely believe that Muslims will never be a threat to their freedoms. This is because Muslims follow a distinct Islamic Doctrine that instructs them to remain “peaceful” and to lie quietly in the background and un-noticed until they build up their numbers. Then they begin their strategies of violence and takeover.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in a country, Muslims will predominantly behave as a “peace-loving” minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States — Muslim 1.8 – 2.11 %
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

BUT, it must be noted that Australia, Italy and Norway have already begun experiencing problems at 1.5%; 1.5%; and 1.8%


Additionally, in some countries, with populations between 2% and 5%, the minority Muslim populations live in neighborhoods which are 100% Muslim and they live by Islamic Law. The police do not enter these neighborhoods. There are no national courts, public schools, or non-Muslim religious institutions.

In these communities, Muslims refuse to integrate into the native community, and they keep the natives out of the Muslim communities.

At 2% to 5% of the population, Muslims begin to intensify proselytization and conversions begin to rapidly rise in well-targeted disaffected groups, such as in jails, prisons, poor communities, and street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, Muslims begin to exercise an unregulated influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. One example is that they will push for the introduction of halal food, and via halal food, Muslims begin securing food preparation jobs resulting in disadvantages to non-Muslims. Muslims will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats of lawsuits for failure to comply (again, this is only ONE example of excessive influence in proportion to their percentage of the population).

This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At 5% Muslims will work towards getting the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Islamic Law within their segregated neighborhoods and no-go zones.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. Any non-Muslim action “offends” Islam and results in uprisings and threats. Such tensions are seen daily in:

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Philippines — Muslim 15%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%

After 20%, countries can expect sudden rioting for little or no reason at all, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of churches and synagogues, such as in Ethiopia (which has 32% Muslim population).

At 40%, countries experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
Nigeria – Muslim 50.4%

From 60%,
countries experience unrestricted, rampant persecution of all other religions (including persecution of non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Islamic Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on non-Muslims, as in:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, there is daily intimidation and violent jihad, and some State-run ethnic cleansing, as these countries drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim. This has been experienced and is on-going in:


Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 85-90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace.

At 100% there is supposed to be “peace”, because everybody is a Muslim, and because there are only Madrassas (Islamic schools based on learning the Quran and Islamic Law), and the Quran is the only word and Law, such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%

HOWEVER,
peace is never achieved because in these 100% countries, the more radical Muslims incite hatred and intimidation over the less radical Muslims and then begin killing and massacring these less radical Muslims.

In some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations (between 2% and 5% Muslim), the minority Muslim populations live in neighborhoods which are 100% Muslim and they live by Islamic Law. Muslims do not integrate into the native community. The children in these neighborhoods only attend Madrasas (Islamic schools based on learning the Quran and Islamic Law). To even associate with a non-Muslim is a crime. Therefore, in some areas of certain countries, the imams and extremists have much more power than the percentage numbers above show.

Muslims make up about 25% of the world’s population. But their birth rates are enormously higher than the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and others.

Their growth statistics mean they will become the majority much more quickly than previously estimated.
https://therealside.com/2017/02/the-dangers-of-muslim-population-growth/
 

Magenta

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Yes... and as Muslim immigrants continually agitate for sharia law, and bring their reign of terror down on those who resist, there are still those who will claim you are a racist for desiring to shine the light the truth about Islam and Mohammed, even though Islam is not even a race! Their ignorance is astounding. Here is another page about ongoing events in Dearborn you may find interesting/appalling/disgusting: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/dearborn.html
 

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Some people often confuse others telling the truth about Islam with hatred and racism. People are blind, and some willfully so. Islamic texts explicitly instruct violence from followers, quite unlike Christ's teachings, regardless of the actions of Christians.

According to
An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America, the "Understanding of the Role of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America", a goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America is identified as the following:

The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions.

Come on, Magenta-- we can get you a purple one!! :)


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Yes... and as Muslim immigrants continually agitate for sharia law, and bring their reign of terror down on those who resist, there are still those who will claim you are a racist for desiring to shine the light the truth about Islam and Mohammed, even though Islam is not even a race! Their ignorance is astounding. Here is another page about ongoing events in Dearborn you may find interesting/appalling/disgusting: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/dearborn.html
I agree totally that a large portion of the population is ignorant of a lot of things including islam ... I won't even capitalize the word because it is not a religion to me, but rather a cult based upon violence ... And I don't care who calls me a racist and you're right people toss that word around so much these days most of them don't even know what signifies a racist ... Funny isn't it how people think muslims are a race when anybody of any color can become one ... And most of those people actually think they are smart is the kicker ... Man, what a world we live in today ...
 
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Do your research and you will find out for yourself.

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Lol

you are talking to a guy who had many muslim friends, who studied quran and hadith and who talked to countless imams and islamic scholars, i also read islams history.

You take your info about islam from far-right wingers like david wood. i already seen alot of his videos and also walid shoebat, brother rachid and other islamophobes. and i can tell you that they are cherry picking, they are looking at violent verses in quran and take them out of context while ignoring the full verse and the book as a whole. if you actually studied quran you would know that it preaches equality and self-defense, not violence and hatred.
 
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Yes... and as Muslim immigrants continually agitate for sharia law, and bring their reign of terror down on those who resist, there are still those who will claim you are a racist for desiring to shine the light the truth about Islam and Mohammed, even though Islam is not even a race! Their ignorance is astounding. Here is another page about ongoing events in Dearborn you may find interesting/appalling/disgusting: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/dearborn.html
what is wrong with sharia law? why do you accept christian laws and secular laws but not muslim laws? sharia laws is for muslims. if you lived in a muslim country would you not want to have christian laws for yourself? sharia laws are conservative just like christian laws.

reign of terror ? are you even aware of how non-muslims have it in qatar, dubai, saudi, iran and other sharia-states? nobody is killing them or forcing them to do anything, there is many non-muslims in this countries and they can even drink alcohol. i am talking to a women from dubai right now and she NEVER had any problem with a muslim ,she is going to a church in dubai and this is in the middle of the city.....and please do read a history book, we christians never treaded minorities any good....but muslims treated minorities good their whole history...minorities have lived in muslim countries since the start of islam....how did armenians, assyrians, copts, hindu in india, greeks, serbs got to keep their religion do you think? they where all ruled by muslim empires for maaaaaaaaaaaaaany years and still today they have their own religion. compare that to countries where we christians invaded, we forced anyone to convert or else they got killed. even today christians are still opressing non-christians, just look at this thread, you people are making muslims, a small minority look like bad people. also in christian society we always had and have severe racism...in muslim societies there is no racism, all colors are welcome and loved.
 
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I agree totally that a large portion of the population is ignorant of a lot of things including islam ... I won't even capitalize the word because it is not a religion to me, but rather a cult based upon violence ... And I don't care who calls me a racist and you're right people toss that word around so much these days most of them don't even know what signifies a racist ... Funny isn't it how people think muslims are a race when anybody of any color can become one ... And most of those people actually think they are smart is the kicker ... Man, what a world we live in today ...
was it muslims or christians who killed 6 million jews?
was it muslims or christians who burned 500 000 women to death on stakes?
was it muslims or christians who had millions of black slaves?