GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Shamah]

Very true.

It is the word,I had heard different much of my life until I read for myself.

 

[graceNpeace]

This was the Instructions for new converts "Gentiles turning to Messiah"

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I am sorry, your credibility here is wearing even thinner now....
The claims you make above regarding the proclamation made by Peter in Acts 15 cannot be accepted because you are now actively pushing your subjective interpretations into Scripture...we call this eisegesis, and it has no place in interpreting Scripture!

You have not a shred of Biblical evidence to back this up.....
It is nothing more than idle speculation!
This kind of nonsense reminds me of the worst excesses of LGF....

 

[Jackson123]

I came to Jesus when I was about seven years of age and have been resting in Him ever since. God bless.

And that is the real rest dear.

Allen G White misled people, some say, she met alean and confirm that Christian must observe Saturday sabbath.

to me it is demonic, that is why SDA do not believe in hell, like Jehova witness

 

[Shamah]

And that is the real rest dear.

Allen G White misled people, some say, she met alean and confirm that Christian must observe Saturday sabbath.

to me it is demonic, that is why SDA do not believe in hell, like Jehova witness

you keep proping up Ellen White as a witness againt what YHWH says, Ellen White is a false prophet YHWH is the Mighty One;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart." Six days you labor, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Mighty One. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]

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[Shamah]

I am sorry, your credibility here is wearing even thinner now....
The claims you make above regarding the proclamation made by Peter in Acts 15 cannot be accepted because you are now actively pushing your subjective interpretations into Scripture...we call this eisegesis, and it has no place in interpreting Scripture!

You have not a shred of Biblical evidence to back this up.....
It is nothing more than idle speculation!
This kind of nonsense reminds me of the worst excesses of LGF....

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles (new converts) who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”[/FONT]



Acts 15:19 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

New Living Translation
"And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

English Standard Version
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,

Berean Study Bible
It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore I judge not to trouble those from the Gentiles turning to God,

New American Standard Bible
"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

King James Bible
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:


Ill tell you what I will beleive the Messiah, you may do as you please.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

 

[graceNpeace]

And that is the real rest dear.

Allen G White misled people, some say, she met alean and confirm that Christian must observe Saturday sabbath.

to me it is demonic, that is why SDA do not believe in hell, like Jehova witness

TMS is an Adventist but I am NOT convinced that Shamah is at all - he should clarify, but I think he is Hebrew Roots!
Just saying....

 

[PS]

And that is the real rest dear.

Allen G White misled people, some say, she met alean and confirm that Christian must observe Saturday sabbath.

to me it is demonic, that is why SDA do not believe in hell, like Jehova witness

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; (Heb 12:2 KJV)

Looking unto Jesus and no other.

 

[Shamah]

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; (Heb 12:2 KJV)

Looking unto Jesus and no other.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:24-27, “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not do them, shall be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat on that house, and it fell, and great was its fall.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]

 

[PS]

Mat 7:24-27, “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not do them, shall be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat on that house, and it fell, and great was its fall.”


1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Have you changed your views recently?

 

[Shamah]

Have you changed your views recently?

WHat? no, my views are based in the word and I can quote posts the same as everything I have said today months and even years ago.

The rest Yahshua/Jesus offers is in the Kingdom, the 7th day Sabbath is obedience to His will and practiceing the way we should behave, the Sabbath is about doing His will;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Yahshua said nothing would pass from the Law and He kept Sabbath as Isaiah 58 says. What many do is look how the Pharisees taught it and superimpose that over Moses and conquer the strwman.

There is not a single Scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath.

There is Scripture that says:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thus:

[/FONT]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

truth not tradition.

 

[PS]

WHat? no, my views are based in the word and I can quote posts the same as everything I have said today months and even years ago.

The rest Yahshua/Jesus offers is in the Kingdom, the 7th day Sabbath is obedience to His will and practiceing the way we should behave, the Sabbath is about doing His will;

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Yahshua said nothing would pass from the Law and He kept Sabbath as Isaiah 58 says. What many do is look how the Pharisees taught it and superimpose that over Moses and conquer the strwman.

There is not a single Scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath.

There is Scripture that says:



Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"



Thus:

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

truth not tradition.

OK. But I remember the arguments we used to have. Do you still hold those same opinions?

 

[graceNpeace]

Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles (new converts) who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”



Acts 15:19 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

New Living Translation
"And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

English Standard Version
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,

Berean Study Bible
It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore I judge not to trouble those from the Gentiles turning to God,

New American Standard Bible
"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

King James Bible
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:


Ill tell you what I will beleive the Messiah, you may do as you please.

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Again, credibility warning!!!
Try going to the Greek word used that is translated Gentile; it is the word "[FONT=&quot]ἐθνῶν[/FONT]" which is the genitive of the word "ἔθνος".
English gets the word "ethnic" from its meaning.
There is no adjective or qualifier in the sentence to warrant any other meaning apart from "people belonging to an ethnic group other than Jew".

Furthermore the timing from Peter's tumultuous meeting with Cornelius recorded in Acts chapter 10 to the Jerusalem Council noted in Acts chapter 15, while only five chapters apart, is considerably further apart chronologically!
Every source I consulted mentioned the date of the Jerusalem Council as CE 50, while Peter's encounter with Cornelius is dated between CE 35-40!
So, many Gentile converts were believers, likely of ten to fifteen years maturity by the time the Jerusalem Council rolls around!
Yes, there would have been newer converts than these, both Jewish and Gentile, but a blanket statement that "Gentiles" must refer to "new" believers in Acts chapter 15 is just plain wrong!

 

[Shamah]

OK. But I remember the arguments we used to have. Do you still hold those same opinions?

I do, you would have to being up a certian point you think I have changed in. Possibly you misunderstaood m before or now? IDK. I continually study and am open to truth, however I have been diligent in the word for years and the basics are unchanged, I have learned more about Henrew and Greek and more proper translations, but this is a continuall process. So what is you issue you think I have changed on?

 

[Shamah]

Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles (new converts) who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”



Acts 15:19 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

New Living Translation
"And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

English Standard Version
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,

Berean Study Bible
It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore I judge not to trouble those from the Gentiles turning to God,

New American Standard Bible
"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

King James Bible
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:


Ill tell you what I will beleive the Messiah, you may do as you please.

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Again, credibility warning!!!
Try going to the Greek word used that is translated Gentile; it is the word "ἐθνῶν" which is the genitive of the word "ἔθνος".
English gets the word "ethnic" from its meaning.
There is no adjective or qualifier in the sentence to warrant any other meaning apart from "people belonging to an ethnic group other than Jew".

Furthermore the timing from Peter's tumultuous meeting with Cornelius recorded in Acts chapter 10 to the Jerusalem Council noted in Acts chapter 15, while only five chapters apart, is considerably further apart chronologically!
Every source I consulted mentioned the date of the Jerusalem Council as CE 50, while Peter's encounter with Cornelius is dated between CE 35-40!
So, many Gentile converts were believers, likely of ten to fifteen years maturity by the time the Jerusalem Council rolls around!
Yes, there would have been newer converts than these, both Jewish and Gentile, but a blanket statement that "Gentiles" must refer to "new" believers in Acts chapter 15 is just plain wrong!

1484. ethnos ►Strong's Concordance

ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)​

Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Short Definition: a race, people, the Gentiles
Definition: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

Also every translation I quoted and many many more have the same "gentile" translation.

Credibility warning LOL!

ἔθνος
ethnos
eth'-nos
Total KJV Occurrences: 132
• drink, 1
Rev 14:8

• Gentiles, 78
Matt 4:15; Matt 12:18; Matt 12:21; Luke 2:32; Acts 4:27; Acts 7:45; Acts 10:45; Acts 11:1; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:42; Acts 13:46; Acts 13:47; Acts 13:48; Acts 14:2; Acts 14:5; Acts 14:27; Acts 15:3; Acts 15:7; Acts 15:12; Acts 15:14; Acts 15:17; Acts 15:19; Acts 15:23; Acts 18:6; Acts 21:11; Acts 21:19; Acts 21:21; Acts 21:25; Acts 26:20; Acts 26:23; Acts 28:28; Rom 1:13; Rom 2:14; Rom 2:24; Rom 3:29(2); Rom 9:24; Rom 9:30; Rom 11:11; Rom 11:12; Rom 11:13(2); Rom 11:25; Rom 15:9(2); Rom 15:10; Rom 15:11; Rom 15:12(2); Rom 15:16(2); Rom 15:27; Rom 16:4; 1Cor 5:1; 1Cor 10:20; 1Cor 12:2; Gal 2:2; Gal 2:8; Gal 2:12; Gal 2:14; Gal 2:15; Gal 3:14; Eph 2:11; Eph 3:1; Eph 3:6; Eph 3:8; Eph 4:17; Col 1:27; 1Thess 2:16; 1Thess 4:5; 1Tim 2:7; 1Tim 3:16; 2Tim 1:11; 2Tim 4:17; 1Pet 2:12; 1Pet 4:3; 3John 1:7; Rev 11:2

• heathen, 5
Acts 4:25; 2Cor 11:26; Gal 1:16; Gal 2:9; Gal 3:8

• nation, 20
Luke 7:5; Luke 23:2; John 11:48; John 11:50; John 11:51; John 11:52; John 18:35; Acts 2:5; Acts 7:7; Acts 10:22; Acts 10:35; Acts 24:2; Acts 24:10; Acts 24:17; Acts 26:4; Acts 28:19; Rom 10:19; 1Pet 2:9; Rev 5:9; Rev 14:6

• nations, 25
Acts 13:19; Acts 14:16; Acts 17:26; Rom 1:5; Rom 4:17; Rom 4:18; Rom 16:26; Gal 3:8; Rev 7:9; Rev 10:11; Rev 11:9; Rev 11:18; Rev 12:5; Rev 13:7; Rev 15:4; Rev 16:19; Rev 17:15; Rev 18:3; Rev 18:23; Rev 19:15; Rev 20:3; Rev 20:8; Rev 21:24; Rev 21:26; Rev 22:2

• obedient, 1
Rom 15:18

• people, 2
Acts 8:9; Rom 10:19

 

[PS]

I do, you would have to being up a certian point you think I have changed in. Possibly you misunderstaood m before or now? IDK. I continually study and am open to truth, however I have been diligent in the word for years and the basics are unchanged, I have learned more about Henrew and Greek and more proper translations, but this is a continuall process. So what is you issue you think I have changed on?

You seem to have mellowed in your attitude towards Jesus.

 

[Shamah]

You seem to have mellowed in your attitude towards Jesus.

In what way? I have been proclaiming Him as the Sent One we MUST obey since i came to this site in 2013, I am locked out of my account and using this one currently so my join date is new. I am interested in your perception, how do you believe I have done this?

 

[graceNpeace]

1484. ethnos ►Strong's Concordance

ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)​

Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Short Definition: a race, people, the Gentiles
Definition: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

Also every translation I quoted and many many more have the same "gentile" translation.

Credibility warning LOL!

ἔθνος
ethnos
eth'-nos
Total KJV Occurrences: 132
• drink, 1
Rev 14:8

• Gentiles, 78
Matt 4:15; Matt 12:18; Matt 12:21; Luke 2:32; Acts 4:27; Acts 7:45; Acts 10:45; Acts 11:1; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:42; Acts 13:46; Acts 13:47; Acts 13:48; Acts 14:2; Acts 14:5; Acts 14:27; Acts 15:3; Acts 15:7; Acts 15:12; Acts 15:14; Acts 15:17; Acts 15:19; Acts 15:23; Acts 18:6; Acts 21:11; Acts 21:19; Acts 21:21; Acts 21:25; Acts 26:20; Acts 26:23; Acts 28:28; Rom 1:13; Rom 2:14; Rom 2:24; Rom 3:29(2); Rom 9:24; Rom 9:30; Rom 11:11; Rom 11:12; Rom 11:13(2); Rom 11:25; Rom 15:9(2); Rom 15:10; Rom 15:11; Rom 15:12(2); Rom 15:16(2); Rom 15:27; Rom 16:4; 1Cor 5:1; 1Cor 10:20; 1Cor 12:2; Gal 2:2; Gal 2:8; Gal 2:12; Gal 2:14; Gal 2:15; Gal 3:14; Eph 2:11; Eph 3:1; Eph 3:6; Eph 3:8; Eph 4:17; Col 1:27; 1Thess 2:16; 1Thess 4:5; 1Tim 2:7; 1Tim 3:16; 2Tim 1:11; 2Tim 4:17; 1Pet 2:12; 1Pet 4:3; 3John 1:7; Rev 11:2

• heathen, 5
Acts 4:25; 2Cor 11:26; Gal 1:16; Gal 2:9; Gal 3:8

• nation, 20
Luke 7:5; Luke 23:2; John 11:48; John 11:50; John 11:51; John 11:52; John 18:35; Acts 2:5; Acts 7:7; Acts 10:22; Acts 10:35; Acts 24:2; Acts 24:10; Acts 24:17; Acts 26:4; Acts 28:19; Rom 10:19; 1Pet 2:9; Rev 5:9; Rev 14:6

• nations, 25
Acts 13:19; Acts 14:16; Acts 17:26; Rom 1:5; Rom 4:17; Rom 4:18; Rom 16:26; Gal 3:8; Rev 7:9; Rev 10:11; Rev 11:9; Rev 11:18; Rev 12:5; Rev 13:7; Rev 15:4; Rev 16:19; Rev 17:15; Rev 18:3; Rev 18:23; Rev 19:15; Rev 20:3; Rev 20:8; Rev 21:24; Rev 21:26; Rev 22:2

• obedient, 1
Rom 15:18

• people, 2
Acts 8:9; Rom 10:19

You must be agreeing with me!

 

[Shamah]

Here is a post from 2014

Yahshua has become our Savior! Now we must truly make Him our ruler. Not in word only but also in deed!

I personally find it comforting that Yahshua being the perfect reflection of Yahweh has been (will be) made ruler over all things by Yahweh. We can trust Yahweh and Yahshua 100% We have nothing to worry about concerning their honesty! We can trust them! Because of this we should have the confidence to give our life to Him, to change, to grow in the righteous fruits of the Spirit and at least begin to depart from any works of the flesh. I personally know I still have alot of growth in Messiah before me, and this topic is to try to promote walking in Messiah.

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

To this I want to say thank you Yahweh!!!!!

Maybe we can post and share ideas and verses about fully submitting to Yahweh and Yahshua. To help the entire body of Messiah grow in the right way!

Acts 20:28, "Therefore, be on guard for yourselves and the whole flock over which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to feed the called out ones of Yahweh, which Yahshua has purchased with His own blood."

Hebrews 12:3-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father Yahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous; nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it."

Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

From 2013

Yahshua has become our Savior! Now we must truly make Him our ruler. Not in word only but also in deed!

I personally find it comforting that Yahshua being the perfect reflection of Yahweh has been (will be) made ruler over all things by Yahweh. We can trust Yahweh and Yahshua 100% We have nothing to worry about concerning their honesty! We can trust them!

To this I want to say thank you Yahweh!!!!!

Maybe we can post and share ideas and verses about fully submitting to Yahweh and Yahshua. To help the entire body of Messiah grow in the right way!

Hebrews 12:3-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father Yahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous; nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it."

and 2014

I wanted to make a thread to cherish and dwell on the words of our Savior, a favorite verse, passage, parable, how that verse makes you feel, anything concerning Yahshua (Jesus) and what He said or taught.


John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua (Jesus) proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua (Jesus) said to her: I am He speaking to you."

Yahchanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Matt 23:23, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes on mint, anise, and cumin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law-judgment, mercy, and faith. Tithing you ought to have done, without leaving the other undone."

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Matt 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Matt 6:19,24, "Do not store up treasures for yourselves upon earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal; For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.No one can be the slave of two owners. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot be a servant to both Yah and riches."

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

Matt 24:36-47, "But no man knows that day nor hour. No, not even the malakim (angels) in heaven, but My Father only. But just as the days of Noah were, so will also be the coming of the Son of Man; For just as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying while giving in marriage, until the day that Noah went into the ark, And did not know until the flood came and swept them all away. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two will be in the field; one will be taken, and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken, and the other left. Therefore watch! For you do not know what hour your Ruler will come, But know that if the householder had known the exact watch in the night the thief would come, he would have watched and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore, you must also be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you are not expecting Him. ("The Faithful and Wise Servant") Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his ruler has put in charge of his house, to give to the others the food and supplies at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his ruler, when he comes, will find him doing. Truly I say to you: He will appoint him ruler over all his possessions."

 

[Shamah]

Again, credibility warning!!!
Try going to the Greek word used that is translated Gentile; it is the word "ἐθνῶν" which is the genitive of the word "ἔθνος".
English gets the word "ethnic" from its meaning.
There is no adjective or qualifier in the sentence to warrant any other meaning apart from "people belonging to an ethnic group other than Jew".

Furthermore the timing from Peter's tumultuous meeting with Cornelius recorded in Acts chapter 10 to the Jerusalem Council noted in Acts chapter 15, while only five chapters apart, is considerably further apart chronologically!
Every source I consulted mentioned the date of the Jerusalem Council as CE 50, while Peter's encounter with Cornelius is dated between CE 35-40!
So, many Gentile converts were believers, likely of ten to fifteen years maturity by the time the Jerusalem Council rolls around!
Yes, there would have been newer converts than these, both Jewish and Gentile, but a blanket statement that "Gentiles" must refer to "new" believers in Acts chapter 15 is just plain wrong!

You must be agreeing with me!

I thought you said it should not be translated "Gentile" ???>>>?????????

also how are they not "new converts" when they are "turning to Yah"

Acts 15:19
New International Version
"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

New Living Translation
"And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

English Standard Version
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,

Berean Study Bible
It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore I judge not to trouble those from the Gentiles turning to God,

New American Standard Bible
"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

King James Bible
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

 

[PS]

In what way? I have been proclaiming Him as the Sent One we MUST obey since i came to this site in 2013, I am locked out of my account and using this one currently so my join date is new. I am interested in your perception, how do you believe I have done this?

In the post I 'liked' you put Father and Son together, yet I remember you agreeing with 'm' that Jesus was no more than a man like Moses, whereas I believe Jesus is more than just a man and is actually "God with us in the flesh," Emmanuel.

Do you still believe Jesus was only a prophet like Moses and nothing more?