The Messiah has done His part, we must do ours...

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Hizikyah

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Yahshua has become our Savior! Now we must truly make Him our ruler. Not in word only but also in deed!

I personally find it comforting that Yahshua being the perfect reflection of Yahweh has been (will be) made ruler over all things by Yahweh. We can trust Yahweh and Yahshua 100% We have nothing to worry about concerning their honesty! We can trust them!

To this I want to say thank you Yahweh!!!!!

Maybe we can post and share ideas and verses about fully submitting to Yahweh and Yahshua. To help the entire body of Messiah grow in the right way!

Hebrews 12:3-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father Yahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous; nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it."

Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”
 

Hizikyah

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Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."
 

Hizikyah

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No one makes GOD their ruler, unless one is making an idol.
WHAT?????????????????

Are you mentally ill?

Psalm 110:1, "Yahweh said to my Ruler and King: Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool."

I wanted this to be a thread of inspiration and not arguing... I do see how you want no ruler in your disdain for Yahweh;s Instructions though...this should not be so, we must fully submit to Yahweh through Yahshua, period.

Lets post verses and thoughts about how we should actually follow what the Messiah Yahshua says thus making Him our ruler?
 

Hizikyah

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Acts 20:28, "Therefore, be on guard for yourselves and the whole flock over which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to feed the called out ones of Yahweh, which Yahshua has purchased with His own blood."
 
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WHAT?????????????????

Are you mentally ill?

Psalm 110:1, "Yahweh said to my Ruler and King: Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool."

I wanted this to be a thread of inspiration and not arguing... I do see how you want no ruler in your disdain for Yahweh;s Instructions though...this should not be so, we must fully submit to Yahweh through Yahshua, period.

Lets post verses and thoughts about how we should actually follow what the Messiah Yahshua says thus making Him our ruler?
We don't make GOD ruler. We either acknowledge that he is the supreme ruler and submit to him, or we don't.
 
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False dichotomy for Christ is known through his law. The law is to Christ was Christ is to God.
It's not a false dichotomy at all. The fact that you said Christ is known through his law shows that they are not the same thing. One is the creator, the other is a creation of his mind. Those who exalt a created thing above the creator are idolators.
 

Hizikyah

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We don't make GOD ruler. We either acknowledge that he is the supreme ruler and submit to him, or we don't.
Your false attack on wording is foolish and not meant to build up the body of Messiah but to pick at me.

Yahshua will be given authority over all things when He returns, but none the less if we dont accept Him as our head we are rejecting this. Making Him our ruler is simply submitting to His rule. That doesent imply we give Him pwoer but that we acknowledge Him as our ruler thus "making Him our ruler."

I am still growing in the obedience to Yahweh through Yahshua but none the less I greatly enjoy being under He who Yahweh has given authority!

When there is perfect rule according to Yahweh's will there is nothing to fear!

HalleluYAHWEH!
 

Hizikyah

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It's not a false dichotomy at all. The fact that you said Christ is known through his law shows that they are not the same thing. One is the creator, the other is a creation of his mind. Those who exalt a created thing above the creator are idolators.
Thing is those who say they know Him but dont keep His Law are liars, I can only speak for myself here but by submitting to His Law/Instructions I am thus submitting to His rule.

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:4, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Saying one is a follower/believer without submitting is falsehood.

Isayah 29:13, "Therefore Yahweh said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men"

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers,
and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 
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Your false attack on wording is foolish and not meant to build up the body of Messiah but to pick at me.
Not really. I think the wording is more revealing than is apparent. Making GOD something suggests an act of man's will. Your teachings revolve around man's will, i.e. keeping laws. So I think it is revealing of your thought process to say that we make GOD our ruler. Submission to GOD as supreme ruler constitutes a relinquishment of our will, not an assertion of it.
 
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Thing is those who say they know Him but dont keep His Law are liars, I can only speak for myself here but by submitting to His Law/Instructions I am thus submitting to His rule.
Those who deny that faith in Christ and loving one's neighbor as one's self fulfill any and every thing required by the law are liars.
 

Hizikyah

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Not really. I think the wording is more revealing than is apparent. Making GOD something suggests an act of man's will. Your teachings revolve around man's will, i.e. keeping laws. So I think it is revealing of your thought process to say that we make GOD our ruler. Submission to GOD as supreme ruler constitutes a relinquishment of our will, not an assertion of it.
So saying, "I make Yahweh my strength" is evil?

Your words resemble that of a Pharisee.

Mattithyah 23:24, "You blind guides, who Gstrain at a gnat, then swallow a camel!"

You who claim Spirit Spirit Spirit seem to be missing the point/spirit and be Pharisaically picking at wording.

Psalm 52:7, "Behold the man who will not make Yahweh his strength, but trusts in the increase of his wealth, and strengthens himself in wickedness!"

Is the Psalmist evil and fallen from grace and haughty and trusting his own will? Or is that only when I say it?
 

JaumeJ

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Beware of the vortex called darkness. It is useless to spin in it. I love the post, the OP.

When Yeshua calls, His calling is sweet. When the Holy Spirit first entered into me, everything turned to light, I knew man, including myself, is sinful and lost without our Maker.

Such joy I had, I went around smiling and singing, "I'm going to heaven." I realize that sounds immodest, but the joy overwhelmed reason.

Friends would say, "What happened to you." My reply much of the time was, "Praise God, He is worthy, and we are not." Everything was so joyful, the people picked up on it and understood joy does exist.

It does upset me, even angers me, when anyone does anything to stop the children from continuing in the joy of salvation, but I do not go so far as to sin. We do not deserve this free gift, but understanding just how much Yeshua loves us is what helps us get over ourselves, our sin, our total inadequacey, knowing He has forgiven us and made us complete and perfect in the Eyes of the Father. We will actually be perfect on His great and glorious Day, but until then, the work in each of us continues, by our Savior, for He is Salvation, amen................Halleluyah, amen.


So saying, "I make Yahweh my strength" is evil?

Your words resemble that of a Pharisee.

Mattithyah 23:24, "You blind guides, who Gstrain at a gnat, then swallow a camel!"

You who claim Spirit Spirit Spirit seem to be missing the point/spirit and be Pharisaically picking at wording.

Psalm 52:7, "Behold the man who will not make Yahweh his strength, but trusts in the increase of his wealth, and strengthens himself in wickedness!"

Is the Psalmist evil and fallen from grace and haughty and trusting his own will? Or is that only when I say it?
 

Hizikyah

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Beware of the vortex called darkness. It is useless to spin in it. I love the post, the OP.

When Yeshua calls, His calling is sweet. When the Holy Spirit first entered into me, everything turned to light, I knew man, including myself, is sinful and lost without our Maker.

Such joy I had, I went around smiling and singing, "I'm going to heaven." I realize that sounds immodest, but the joy overwhelmed reason.

Friends would say, "What happened to you." My reply much of the time was, "Praise God, He is worthy, and we are not." Everything was so joyful, the people picked up on it and understood joy does exist.

It does upset me, even angers me, when anyone does anything to stop the children from continuing in the joy of salvation, but I do not go so far as to sin. We do not deserve this free gift, but understanding just how much Yeshua loves us is what helps us get over ourselves, our sin, our total inadequacey, knowing He has forgiven us and made us complete and perfect in the Eyes of the Father. We will actually be perfect on His great and glorious Day, but until then, the work in each of us continues, by our Savior, for He is Salvation, amen................Halleluyah, amen.
Great post, I agree with you in how you feel! Such a great description of a greater blessing!

"understanding just how much Yeshua loves us is what helps us get over ourselves, our sin, our total inadequacey, knowing He has forgiven"

I agree! HalleluYAHWEH!

Having mercy,understand and feeling it is what really gave me the strength to focus on what Yahweh was trying to tell me! Both Yahweh and Yahshua have done such a great work in all our lives, it gives joy in submission!

HalleluYAHWEH!
 

Hizikyah

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1 Yahchanan (John) 4:19, "We love Him, because He first loved us."
 

john832

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Not really. I think the wording is more revealing than is apparent. Making GOD something suggests an act of man's will. Your teachings revolve around man's will, i.e. keeping laws. So I think it is revealing of your thought process to say that we make GOD our ruler. Submission to GOD as supreme ruler constitutes a relinquishment of our will, not an assertion of it.
You are absolutely correct here. Making God your LORD and Master is an act of will. If it is something that you have no control over you have not submitted to Him, He has forced you as a dictator. God has always given man choice.

Submitting to God's will is not an act of relinquishing to God our will, it is an act of counsciously, willfully submitting to Him. Determining to follow Him.

Christ, Himself shows us this in...

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

The prerequisite to baptism is counting the cost. Why count if you have no choice?