Have The 10 Commandments Been Abolished?

[Grandpa]

The 10 commandments aren't abolished. They are for bringing people to Christ.


But after a person comes to Christ and receives rest they are dead to that law. And alive to Christ.


A lot of people try to do both. Be alive to Christ and obey the law. They don't understand what it is the Law Really says.


You can tell by the diversity of which laws people THINK they are under. They choose some of these but not those. Definitely this but not that.

And then they will ask; So its ok to murder then? Its ok to steal?

Does that sound like a spiritual law to you? No, it isn't. Abstaining from murder and theft is not spiritual. What is Spiritual is being given Love by God. And sharing that love with others. Someone that loves doesn't murder. Someone that loves doesn't steal. But that's not all. Someone that loves helps the Samaritan who is stranded on the side of the road. There is no specific law written down that says you must. But rest assured that it is the Law. The Law of Liberty.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Stunnedbygrace, it is very interesting that you will quote Paul in one breath, yet deny his word in another breath. If you trust him here, then why do you not trust him in another verse when he says "women are not to preach in the church" ? Could it be that you're worldly opinions have gotten in the way and caused you not to like just some of his words ? I will agree the posters here that say the 10 commandments and the laws "have not" been abolished.

Even though the bible explicitly states otherwise in at least 3 places.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So then, do you say we should abandon "all" letter of the law and live like animals doing as we choose OR are we to only abandon some of the law, just the parts we don't like ? Please explain to me how much of this law you recommend that we abandon.

That brings this to my mind

And [why] not (as we are slandered, and as some affirm that we say), “Let us do evil, in order that good may come? Their condemnation is just! Romans 3:8​

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Stunnedbygrace, it is very interesting that you will quote Paul in one breath, yet deny his word in another breath. If you trust him here, then why do you not trust him in another verse when he says "women are not to preach in the church" ? Could it be that you're worldly opinions have gotten in the way and caused you not to like just some of his words ? I will agree the posters here that say the 10 commandments and the laws "have not" been abolished.

Could it be that when you hear me you hear and judge outwardly and humanly when I am speaking of the spirit of the word, to which, if a man is obedient, there is no law against?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Could you please give the verses that states that? Pardon me if you have already, I haven't read every single post yet..

Even though the bible explicitly states otherwise in at least 3 places.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

That is exactly true stunnedbygrace. We are still to be law abiding. Which means we are still to go by what Paul said about the church, so why do go by some laws yet make excuses to completely reject others ?

You misunderstand me again. I go by no laws according to the flesh, the outward, the outside of my cup. I go by the Spirit in me, against which there IS no letter against walking in.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

2 Corinthians 3:1-6
1Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

And such trust (faith) have we. Amen! I say again, amen!

 

[garee]

The ten commandments weren't abolished, they were condensed into one commandment - love thy neighbor!

If you do that one, by default you do all ten.

Many confuse abolishing the commandments as if they were no longer needed.

Christ’s three day work of His faith as a labor of his love paid the wage (eternal separation)of violating even one commandment. He abolished the wage of even one commandment by drinking the eternal wrath.

God does say if you violate 10 then the eternal damnation can be applied or be extra careful when you get up to nine its your last chance.

And those commandments have not been condensed and therefore serve no need . Love is defined by keeping them as he contines to work in the believer to both will and do His good pleaure

.James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

His labor of love according to His grace and Mercy is not partial.

By His work of His perfect law he forgives us of all sin daily.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

To your dismay, actually I do understand it perfectly. You say one comes "first", well it is not a first or second thing with you ... What you have shown is that it is a "whether you like the command or not thing with you" ... You trust Paul and quote him when he tells you something that you like, then when he tells you something that you don't like you say Paul was simply wrong. It is rather obvious you are cherry-picking the Bible and making excuses not to go by certain commands based upon your own earthly opinions. Instead of you conforming to the Bible, you are choosing to have the Bible conform to you. That is not how faith is supposed to work. Now, I am not informing you of this to hurt nor embarrass you. I am letting you know of what you are doing in an effort to help you. You were right to listen to Paul when you did and you would be right to listen to all of what he had to say. You are not right by only listening to and following part of it. And you are not right by letting others influence you into doing that.

You are still judging by the outside of a man, humanly. This leads to thinking one is in the obedience. It causes a man to say about the law to not murderh, I have always kept that one and have always obeyed it. But this is to look at things humanly.

 

[posthuman]

So then, do you say we should abandon "all" letter of the law and live like animals doing as we choose

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[Stunnedbygrace]

From now on we know no man according to the flesh and Christ also, we have known after the flesh, but we no longer know Him in that way. Now we know other men and Christ not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. A spiritual man knows and judges according to the Spirit. A natural man knows and judges according to the flesh.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Could you please give the verses that states that? Pardon me if you have already, I haven't read every single post yet..

Glad to. This gives me the opportunity to bookmark it. In the 3 verses below the words translated done way and abolished are the same Greek work καταργέω, which means to render ineffective.

done way/abolished
G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-arg-eh'-o) v.
1. to be (render) entirely idle (useless)

But if the administration of death written [and] engraven in stones was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which was to be done away, how shall not the administration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8

For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remains [is] glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:11

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances, for to make in himself of two, one new man, making peace; Ephesians 2:15​

When Jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law (some versions say abolish) he used a different Greek word, καταλύω, which means to completely eliminate

destroy/abolish
G2647 καταλύω kataluo (kat-al-oo'-o) v.
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17​

So one word means to render ineffective (make obsolete) and the other means to eliminate through dissolution. In summary, the law was rendered obsolete, but it was not taken apart and done away with.

These two words are actually used together regarding the law. In the verses below, the partition that separated Jews and gentiles was dissolved (the covenant necessity to obey the law of Moses), but the law of commandments itself was rendered obsolete. The word translated broken down is the Greek word λύω, which is the root of καταλύω in Matthew 5:17 (καταλύω is a more intensive form)

broken down
G3089 λύω luo (loo'-o) v.
1. to "loosen"
2. (by usage) to break, destroy, or dissolve

abolished
G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-arg-eh'-o) v.
1. to be (render) entirely idle (useless)

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances, for to make in himself of two, one new man, making peace; Ephesians 2:14-15​

 

[blue_ladybug]

Thank you..

Glad to. This gives me the opportunity to bookmark it. In the 3 verses below the words translated done way and abolished are the same Greek work καταργέω, which means to render ineffective.

done way/abolished
G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-arg-eh'-o) v.
1. to be (render) entirely idle (useless)

But if the administration of death written [and] engraven in stones was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which was to be done away, how shall not the administration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8

For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remains [is] glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:11

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances, for to make in himself of two, one new man, making peace; Ephesians 2:15​

When Jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law (some versions say abolish) he used a different Greek word, καταλύω, which means to completely eliminate

destroy/abolish
G2647 καταλύω kataluo (kat-al-oo'-o) v.
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17​

So one word means to render ineffective (make obsolete) and the other means to eliminate through dissolution. In summary, the law was rendered obsolete, but it was not taken apart and done away with.

These two words are actually used together regarding the law. In the verses below, the partition that separated Jews and gentiles was dissolved (the covenant necessity to obey the law of Moses), but the law of commandments itself was rendered obsolete. The word translated broken down is the Greek word λύω, which is the root of καταλύω in Matthew 5:17 (καταλύω is a more intensive form)

broken down
G3089 λύω luo (loo'-o) v.
1. to "loosen"
2. (by usage) to break, destroy, or dissolve

abolished
G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-arg-eh'-o) v.
1. to be (render) entirely idle (useless)

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances, for to make in himself of two, one new man, making peace; Ephesians 2:14-15​

 

[Shamah]

Glad to. This gives me the opportunity to bookmark it. In the 3 verses below the words translated done way and abolished are the same Greek work καταργέω, which means to render ineffective.

done way/abolished
G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-arg-eh'-o) v.
1. to be (render) entirely idle (useless)

But if the administration of death written [and] engraven in stones was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which was to be done away, how shall not the administration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8

For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remains [is] glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:11

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances, for to make in himself of two, one new man, making peace; Ephesians 2:15
​

When Jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law (some versions say abolish) he used a different Greek word, καταλύω, which means to completely eliminate

destroy/abolish
G2647 καταλύω kataluo (kat-al-oo'-o) v.
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17​

So one word means to render ineffective (make obsolete) and the other means to eliminate through dissolution. In summary, the law was rendered obsolete, but it was not taken apart and done away with.

These two words are actually used together regarding the law. In the verses below, the partition that separated Jews and gentiles was dissolved (the covenant necessity to obey the law of Moses), but the law of commandments itself was rendered obsolete. The word translated broken down is the Greek word λύω, which is the root of καταλύω in Matthew 5:17 (καταλύω is a more intensive form)

broken down
G3089 λύω luo (loo'-o) v.
1. to "loosen"
2. (by usage) to break, destroy, or dissolve

abolished
G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-arg-eh'-o) v.
1. to be (render) entirely idle (useless)

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances, for to make in himself of two, one new man, making peace; Ephesians 2:14-15​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If fulfilled means abolished then all righteousness is abolished...[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 3:15, “But [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answering, said to him, “Permit it now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill righteousness.” Then he permitted Him.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]fulfill” is word #G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v., 1. to fully, completely fill., 2. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow)., 3. (figuratively) to fully supply, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][from G4134], KJV: accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply, Root(s): G4134[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And see, I am coming speedily, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according to his work. “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.”[/FONT]

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If fulfilled means abolished then all righteousness is abolished...

Who said fulfilled = abolished? Christ came to fulfill and in doing so, abolished.

 

[Shamah]

Who said fulfilled = abolished? Christ came to fulfill and in doing so, abolished.

You just did.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


If the Law is gone NOTHING is a sin.


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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]


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[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]

 

[Shamah]

Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”


The Scriptures 2009
Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete*1. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”


Restored Name King James Version
Matthew 5:17-18, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill*1. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”


*1 is word #G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v., 1. to fully, completely fill., 2. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow)., 3. (figuratively) to fully supply, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.
[from G4134], KJV: accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply, Root(s): G4134


Many teachers take “I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill” and say He fulfilled the Law (and the prophets) or He fulfilled it at the cross, and use some of Paul’s writings to “prove” their claim. However when I read Scripture for myself I realized this is not so, and that this passage is the exact proof that the Law had not been done away.


First I want to touch on Paul and his writings briefly, later we will go over some of his teachings.


2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Awmĕin.”


Paul is the only writer that is singled out as being “hard to understand” and we are warned that we should not get carried away “with the delusion of the Lawless” as a result of misunderstanding his writings. More on this later. Now back to the “fulfilled” passage;


Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”


“I did not come to destroy but to complete” (the Law and the Prophets)
“till the heaven and the earth pass away”
“till all be done/perfected”


These three must be before the Law can be done away/destroyed/abolished/etc.
“I did not come to destroy but to complete” (the Law and the OT Prophets would have to be fully completed)
“till the heaven and the earth pass away” (heaven and Earth would have to pass away)
“till all be done/perfected” (all prophecy would be done/perfected)


Have all these already happened?


Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete/fulfill….”


"but to complete/fulfill"


So I'm told yes He completed everything in the Law and the prophets, thus the Law (Instructions) of Yah is abolished/destroyed/done away.


So the first thing I find odd is the fact that He said 2 times, He DID NOT come to destroy the Law/prophets.… But lets look at "but to complete/fulfill" Has He completed everything written in the Law and the prophets that is for Him to compete? There is a prophecy that says Yahshua (Jesus) will return, He has not YET fulfilled/completed this;


Daniyl 7:13-14, “I was looking in the night visions and saw One like the Son of Enosh, coming with the clouds of the heavens! And He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. And to Him was given rulership and preciousness and a reign, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His rule is an everlasting rule which shall not pass away, and His reign that which shall not be destroyed.”


Revelation 19:13-15:, "And He was wrapped in a tallit dipped in blood, and the Name of Him is called: Yahshua; The Salvation of YHWH. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him upon white horses, And out of His mouth goes a sharp, two-edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations; and He will rule over them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty YHWH.”


Ps 2:9; Isa 63:3; Rev 2:16; Rev 2:27; Rev 14:19-20; Rev 19:21


Daniel 7:14, “And to Him was given rulership and preciousness and a reign, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His rule is an everlasting rule which shall not pass away, and His reign that which shall not be destroyed."


Daniel 2:44, “And in the days of these sovereigns the Might of the heavens shall set up a reign which shall never be destroyed, nor the reign pass on to other people – it crushes and puts to an end all these reigns, and it shall stand forever.”


Zep 3:8, “Therefore wait for Me,” declares יהוה, “until the day I rise up for plunder. For My judgment is to gather nations, to assemble reigns, to pour out on them My rage, all My burning wrath. For by the fire of My jealousy all the earth shall be consumed.”


Rev 11:15, "And the seventh messenger sounded, and there came to be loud voices in the heaven, saying, “The reign of this world has become the reign of our Master, and of His Messiah, and He shall reign forever and ever!”


So we can CLEARLY see He has not yet fulfilled ALL the Law and prophets, and you know what part of the Law He has not yet fulfilled? His return and Judgment. He came as a Lamb, returns as a Lion. There are 7 “Feast” days of YHWH in Scripture. These 7 days are prophetic shadow pictures of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] and 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] coming of Messiah Yahshua, the first 3 are about His 1[SUP]st[/SUP] coming as the suffering Lamb. The final 4 are about His 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] coming, when He returns as a conquering Lion.


Now back to the “fulfilled” passage;


Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”


“till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah”


Has heaven and earth passed away? Take a minute to look out your window to make sure....… No it has not? Heaven and Earth is still there? If it is still there, according to the Messiah, not me, according to Him, nothing has or will pass from the Law until this happens. Does Scripture speak of a time when this will happen or is it a figure of speech?


Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”


Zephaniah 1:14-18, “Near is the great day of יהוה, near and hurrying greatly, the noise of the day of יהוה. Let the mighty man then bitterly cry out! That day is a day of wrath, a day of distress and trouble, a day of waste and ruin, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of a shophar and sounding – against the walled cities and against the corner towers. And I shall bring distress on men, and they shall walk like blind men – because they have sinned against יהוה, and their blood shall be poured out like dust and their flesh like dung. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of יהוה. And by the fire of His jealousy all the earth shall be consumed, for He makes a sudden end of all those who dwell in the earth.”


Isaiah 66:22, “For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make stand before Me,” declares יהוה, “so your seed and your name shall stand. And it shall be that from New moon to New moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה.”


Isaiah 65:17, “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's the question. Have the 10 commandments been done away with? Are we now free to lie, steal, kill, etc etc??? Bible verses would help greatly.

All things are lawful. Not all things are profitable.

What did paul mean by these words?

As for the law and its purpose. as long as people need Christ, and need to be lead to him, the law will have a purpose.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Glad to. This gives me the opportunity to bookmark it. In the 3 verses below the words translated done way and abolished are the same Greek work καταργέω, which means to render ineffective.

done way/abolished
G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-arg-eh'-o) v.
1. to be (render) entirely idle (useless)

But if the administration of death written [and] engraven in stones was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which was to be done away, how shall not the administration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8

For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remains [is] glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:11

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances, for to make in himself of two, one new man, making peace; Ephesians 2:15​

When Jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law (some versions say abolish) he used a different Greek word, καταλύω, which means to completely eliminate

destroy/abolish
G2647 καταλύω kataluo (kat-al-oo'-o) v.
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17​

So one word means to render ineffective (make obsolete) and the other means to eliminate through dissolution. In summary, the law was rendered obsolete, but it was not taken apart and done away with.

These two words are actually used together regarding the law. In the verses below, the partition that separated Jews and gentiles was dissolved (the covenant necessity to obey the law of Moses), but the law of commandments itself was rendered obsolete. The word translated broken down is the Greek word λύω, which is the root of καταλύω in Matthew 5:17 (καταλύω is a more intensive form)

broken down
G3089 λύω luo (loo'-o) v.
1. to "loosen"
2. (by usage) to break, destroy, or dissolve

abolished
G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-arg-eh'-o) v.
1. to be (render) entirely idle (useless)

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances, for to make in himself of two, one new man, making peace; Ephesians 2:14-15​

This is very difficult to me. I'm struggling to understand it.

I've tried to think of some sort of parable to explain it but the closest I came was to say: the company has replaced key cards with retinal scans. The key cards can be thrown away as they are now obsolete and will not work. This doesn't mean you can't get to your desk - you can. You will just have to enter in a new way, with retinal scan.

Doesn't quite cut it or help me to grasp it though...