Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

[Gabriel2020]

All have sinned and have fallen short, which is the purpose for Jesus coming in the first place. Man is only righteous by faith,and believing in Jesus Christ, whereas if he don't believe is is surely unrighteous as all non-believers are. He said that he did not come to save the righteous, because there were none at that time. no one had truely known the Son until his arrival, and he began to speak. Some knew of his coming, but what they heard when he taught was truely amazing to them. Why? because it was something new and they had not heard of it before. When they did everybody tried to justify themselves by what they had learned before he came.. But I do this, and I do that according to the law and scripture., but Jesus told them more than they had bargained for.

 

[Ahwatukee]

So did God tell you personally that there is none righteous because the scriptures don't support that claim?

Hello Zmouth, first of all, yes, God did tell me this through His word. I don't know why you would claim that the scriptures do not support that "there is none righteous," because it is a well known scripture. We don't obtain salvation by our own righteousness, but through faith in Christ who is righteous. Nevertheless, below is the scripture which supports this:

What then? Are we any better? Not at all. For we have already made the charge that Jews and Greeks alike are all under sin.
As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one; There is no one who understands; no one who seeks God. All have turned away; they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit; the venom of vipers is on their lips; their mouths are full of cursing and of bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery lie in their wake; and the way of peace they have not known; there is no fear of God before their eyes.”

But now, apart from the Law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."

Those people that you mention above, were righteous because of God's covenant and not because they themselves were righteous. In the same way, we are made righteous because of a blood covenant. It is Christ's righteousness that God sees, not ours, because as the scripture says, "our righteousness are as unclean rags."

 

[Gabriel2020]

You are wrong. they themselves became righteous after believing God by faith. YOU NEED TO SEARCH ALL SCRIPTURE PERTAINING TO RIGHTEOUS

 

[Ahwatukee]

You are wrong. they themselves became righteous after believing God by faith. YOU NEED TO SEARCH ALL SCRIPTURE PERTAINING TO RIGHTEOUS

Did I not say the very thing that you are claiming? They were righteous through believing in God, being in a covenant relationship with Him. My point is that, no one is righteous in their own selves.

It is Christ's righteousness that God sees and is imputed to all believers.

 

[MattforJesus]

The Roman Catholic Church is going to slowly change and become the unified religious system based on the new age interpretation of the Bible,and all religions,spiritual evolution through nature,and people can still evolve,with the Pope as the spiritual leader,and the Vatican as the headquarters.

It is obvious that when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity that they did not get rid of their religious ways but held unto them,and it became their foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.

God warns us of the new age movement that is the future for this sinful world(1 Timothy 4:1-5;2 Timothy 4:2-4),and will pave the way to the beast kingdom in Revelation 13,where the New Age Christ will deceive all people who do not love God,for it is the time to end this sin business on earth.

The Roman Catholic Church will be mystery Babylon,the mother of all the false religions of the world,and the false Church whose roots,and foundation,is paganism.

The new age movement wants to establish the kingdom of God on earth,and the Vatican must of been infiltrated by them,or of that belief,to slowly put out that religion to the Church,unify the Christian Churches,and unify all religions.

The Pharisees sent officers to arrest Jesus,and the officers came back empty handed,and the Pharisees said,why did you not take Him,and they said,no man ever spoke like this man.

The Bible speaks with authority,and many people believe it has truth,even Islam,and the other religions,although they do not believe all of it is the truth,and many people interpret the Bible according to a belief that is not part of the Bible,and it becomes their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures,which is your more serious false beliefs concerning the Bible,and exalts people.

And many people do not know if it is true,but do not want to go against it for fear it might be true.

What to do,what to do.But the new age movement took away the fear saying there is not a personal God,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but part of the evolutionary process given to people,and an ascended master,and avatar,through the power of nature,evolved,and honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as their higher power.

They are all about making people greater by evolution which they believe the New Age Christ will harness the power of nature,and share this power with all people who follow him,and they can evolve.

They believe Lucifer did not fall in to sin and disgrace,but descended from the planet Venus to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man,so he gave people their ability to think as part of the evolutionary process,and will appear in the future,and cause people to evolve through nature and become greater.

Which will make sense to the world,and logical,for a lot of people believe in evolution,so why can't they evolve more.

Some people do not like that religions fight,and say it is better without religion,but they have not seen anything yet in the cruelty the world will dish out when occultists run the show,for there is no God to fear,no God to offend,and they want everybody off this planet that is not of them.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Purgatory is necessary because rarely does a person die with their sanctification complete. We must be completely conformed to Christ before we can be admitted into heaven. Nothing impure can enter heaven. There are no stinking masses of sin covered in a robe of Christ's righteousness in heaven. Only when every last attachment to sin is purged will that soul go to heaven.

And yet there is not a single mention of Purgatory in the Bible. Which means that there is another way in which God cleanses the souls and spirits of the saints before they enter Heaven.

 

[Pythons]

And yet there is not a single mention of Purgatory in the Bible. Which means that there is another way in which God cleanses the souls and spirits of the saints before they enter Heaven.

2nd Macc 12, 39

He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. [SUP]44 [/SUP]For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.​

Therefore he made atonement for the dead,​

that they might be delivered from their sin.


That's a Biblical example.
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[Budman]

2nd Macc 12, 39

He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. [SUP]44 [/SUP]For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.​

Therefore he made atonement for the dead,​

that they might be delivered from their sin.


That's a Biblical example.
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The Apocrypha isn't scripture.

If it were:

1. Giving alms gets sins forgiven. (Tobit 12:9, 14:12)

2. You could divorce your wife if she doesn't obey you (Sirach 25:26)

3. The wickedness of a man is better than the goodness of a woman. (Sirach 42:14)

4. The birth of a daughter is a loss. (Ecclesiasticus 22:3)

5. We should pray for the dead (2 Maccabees 12:44)

6. Offerings to the church pay for the sins of the dead (2 Maccabees 12:39-46)

7. Only give to godly people and don't help a sinner. (Sirach 12:4-7)

8. Use magic to drive away Satan (Tobit 6:5-8)

All of which contradicts the Bible.

Not to mention the numerous mistakes contained in the apocryphal books.

A few examples:

1. Such as Tobit claimed to be alive when Jerusalem revolted in 931 BC and also when Assyria conquered Israel in 722 BC. These events are separated by over 200 years and yet Tobit lived 158 years. (Tobit 1:3-5, 14:11)

2. In the book of Judith, Judith mistakenly identifies Nebuchadnezzar as King of the Assyrians (1:1,7) when in fact he was King of Babylon.

3. In both books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die 3 different deaths in 3 different places.

Etc.

In the New Testament there are 260 direct quotations from the Old Testament, yet not a single reference to the Apocryphal writings. The Roman Catholic Church did not even canonize the Apocrypha until the council of Trent in 1546 AD! (In response to the Reformation).

They were never accepted as Scripture by the Jewish church. In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the Apocrypha after the overthrow of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

NONE of the Apocryphal writers claimed their works were inspired - unlike the Biblical writers.

The apocrypha contradicts Scripture

https://carm.org/errors-apocrypha

https://www.gotquestions.org/search.php?zoom_query=apocrypha

https://www.gotquestions.org/purgatory.html

 

[valiant]

2nd Macc 12, 39

He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. [SUP]44 [/SUP]For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.​

Therefore he made atonement for the dead,​

that they might be delivered from their sin.


That's a Biblical example.
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Biblical? Since when has 2 Maccabees with its numerous errors been included in the Jewish Scriptures?

 

[Nehemiah6]

2nd Macc 12, 39

He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. [SUP]44 [/SUP]For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.​

Therefore he made atonement for the dead,​

that they might be delivered from their sin.


That's a Biblical example.
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Even there the word "Purgatory" is absent. And praying for the dead is not a Bible doctrine. It is a Roman Catholic belief which helps raise significant amounts of cash for a corrupt religious system.

And as others have already pointed out, 1 & 2 Maccabees are certainly NOT inspired books of the Bible since they belong to the Apocrypha.

 

[claysmithr]

This is the most misquoted Pope of the century, and I'm willing to bet, this is a misquote. You don't become pope by not believing in Hell. Not that I particularly like him or anything.

 

[Pythons]

The Apocrypha isn't scripture.

The Septuagint contained the Books of Maccabees...
...The Septuagint was "the source book" of the Apocrypha.
...The Septuagint was used by Christ & the Apostles.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Oldest known Bible to go online

I realize this causes a problem for those who's Bibles omit these Books...
...However the fact is that all Bibles contained them until fairly recently.
...Which is sort of what happens when folks 'shake-N-Bake' religion.

 

[know1]

That's going to make a lot of Catholics breathe easier for a while. Their doctrine of purgatory has always given them a back door through which they will sneak into heaven.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If what is written about the Pope is correct, and if the guy is born again, which I seriously doubt, then he shall be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, for he teaches contrary to scripture.

And not to be provocative, but anyone who teaches contrary to scripture is NOT holy. The Pope is only a man like everyone else in the world. It is the Word/Spirit of God in the man, that makes the man holy. Amen.

I'm also not trying to be a stinker about this, but isn't that basically what OSAS does?
I'm not advocating works of the law to be or stay saved, as is commonly stated by those who have yet to comprehend what a work of faith is or what the biblical word believe, really means.

But doesn't telling someone it doesn't matter what they do, or how many times they do any particular sin, whether they are sorry for doing it or not, and regardless of whether they repent of the sins they commit or not, they are automatically forgiven and cleansed by the blood of Jesus.

For the sacrifice of Jesus was for all sin, past, present, and future.

That part is true, but not the "automatically forgiven" part.

One more thought.
Any doctrine that directly conflicts with scripture is not of God. Which means, it came from a source other than God. And that is why the bible calls such teaching, "doctrines of devils", because it came from the same.

 

[know1]

He also wants to rewrite numerous things Jesus has said because he made mistakes and HIS word means more than what the bible states......

The False prophet rising.....and his destiny will be smoking hot......snap, crackle and pop!

This is one of the few times I agree with you sir.

I myself do NOT think very highly of anyone who intentionally perverts, twist, adds to, takes away from, or ignores scripture.

 

[crossnote]

This is the most misquoted Pope of the century, and I'm willing to bet, this is a misquote. You don't become pope by not believing in Hell. Not that I particularly like him or anything.

Rather I believe he is the pope whom the Vatican has had to do more damage control than any other.

 

[dcontroversal]

This is one of the few times I agree with you sir.

I myself do NOT think very highly of anyone who intentionally perverts, twist, adds to, takes away from, or ignores scripture.

Get right and you will agree with me more HAHAHAH just ribbin ya

 

[PennEd]

2nd Macc 12, 39

He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. [SUP]44 [/SUP]For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.​

Therefore he made atonement for the dead,​

that they might be delivered from their sin.


That's a Biblical example.
​

Wow! This a perfect example why these books aren't in the true Bible. It is appointed for man to die ONCE, then the judgement.

This perverts and tramples on the Blood of Christ.

 

[know1]

And yet there is not a single mention of Purgatory in the Bible. Which means that there is another way in which God cleanses the souls and spirits of the saints before they enter Heaven.

That's not entirely true.

Jesus' account of the rich man and Lazarus was a holding place for both the righteous and the evil before He went to the belly of the earth, and at the end of the 3rd night, preached the gospel to the dead, and raised them up with Him into heaven.
I'm not sure if that is where they got the doctrine from but it was a type of purgatory.

 

[Bladerunner]

One pope contradicts another:

According to Benedictus XVI “hell really exists”

MARCH 28, 2007 | Erik Raymond


FoxNews reported today that while addressing a parish in a suburb of Rome, Pope Benedict XVI clarified his view of hell. The Pope said concerning hell, [it] “really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more,”

According to reports from the Vatican this “straightforward” language is in effort to eliminate confusion pending an upcoming release of the new Catholic catechism. One might wonder about confusion from a church that proposes that its doctrine does not change.

However, even the casual Catholic should remember the last Pontiff’s less literal view of hell. Speaking of hell, Pope John Paul II said that it is “the ultimate consequence of sin itself . . . Rather than a place, Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy”.

According to Catholic dogma the Pope is infallible and exists as the functional head of the body of Christ on earth. So how can we have such divergent views on the reality of hell?

Hell is not the only issue with which we seem to see some contemporary doctrinal progression from Rome. In October the Pope indicated that limbo, supposed since medieval times to be a “halfway house” between Heaven and Hell, inhabited by unbaptized infants and holy men and women who lived before Christ, was “only a theological hypothesis” and not a “definitive truth of the faith”.

It is a real shame that millions and millions of folks are walking lock step with the Pope as their authority rather than Scripture. In order to be a good Catholic your theology must progress with the evolution of Papal theology, even at the expense of former Pontiffs.

How dangerous it is to be blown about by Papal winds. Not so for Christians who reject Rome’s magisterial view of authority and embrace the doctrine of Sola Scriptura where God’s unchanging, inerrant, infallible divine Word is the ultimate authority in the church.

The one thing He did do is call GOD a liar! see the Rich man and Lazarus that is not a parable but a real story told by Jesus Himself..

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Septuagint contained the Books of Maccabees...
...The Septuagint was "the source book" of the Apocrypha.
...The Septuagint was used by Christ & the Apostles.

Yes the Septuagint regrettably contains the Apocrypha, but the Septuagint itself is a corrupted Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. Since the Hebrew Bible (the Tanakh) did not include the Apocryphal books, should we rely on the LXX to determine which books belong to the Old Testament? The Lord clearly stated that the Hebrew Scriptures consisted of only the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms (24 books = 39 books in our Old Testament).