Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

Ahwatukee · Mar 31, 2018

Hi LaurieB,

All of the unrighteous dead will receive resurrected bodies that will be indestructible in preparation for eternal punishment in the lake of fire.

The Roman Catholic Church is not Christian. Anyone who is partaking in her beliefs and practices are not in Christ. The Roman Catholic church with her headquarters being the Vatican is that woman who rides the beast. However, God does have people within that institution which is why we see Him calling her out so that they will not partake of her destruction during the last part of that seven year period.

"Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes."

God is calling those who belong to him who have been deceived by her believes and practices to come out of her.

The system of Roman Catholicism is in no way the church of Christ, but are a counterfeit. A red flag would be that obelisk brought over from Heliopolis Egypt that sits out in the middle of St. Peter's square.

Alertandawake · Mar 31, 2018

When I started getting serious into my studies over the past few years, I had to so much unlearn a lot of what I was taught as a child. It is not easy, but I had to hit a reset button in order to learn "real truth". There is only one way to learn "real truth", and that is for a individual to swallow their pride, realize what they have learned previously is a fabrication, and start from scratch.

Now I don't know too much about a lot of these past pope's, but this Pope Francis there is so many red flags.

Let us start with appearances, this current pope has the appearance of being meek and gentle, and in terms of speech, from my observations this pope knows what to say to please the people, well a good number of them anyway. Now when someone talks in a manner to please people, one uses charm, and charm is deceptive. There is a reference that charm is deceptive in Proverbs 31:30.

There is no way we can know at this stage of complete certainty that Pope Francis is the False Prophet spoken of, however at this stage, I cannot think of anyone else who is such a close candidate, based on current matters and events.

As to the worship practices of the RCC, that parallels the worship practices of Babylon in the past. The RCC worships Mary aka The Queen of Heaven, have a look at Jer 7.18 and Jer 44.19.

Coming from a Catholic background, I know all to well about this, but when I eventually got serious in my own studies, it was like for the first time in my life, I could see so clearly.

You try to approach many Catholics today about this Mary Worship, and you try to explain that this type of worship is wrong and unacceptable, chances are you will be faced with a pre-programmed response something along the lines of "we don't worship her, we venerate her", or "She is the Mother of God", or something similar. This is their mindset for many catholics. They cannot see this unacceptable worship practice, because the conditioning is so great.

Ahwatukee · Mar 31, 2018

There is also one that portrays deception in Rev.13:11 as well:

"Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. This beast had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon. "

Him having "two horns like a Lamb" would infer him appearing to be gentle like a lamb. And his speaking like a dragon would reveal his true evil intentions. This is the second beast, the false prophet, who I believe is going to be one of the coming pope's.

Alertandawake · Mar 31, 2018

Ahwatukee said:

Interesting, how at this stage the fingers seem to be pointing at this current pope.

You know, charm and deception goes together like bread and butter.

What is Charm? Charm can be the way how a person presents themselves so people will like them, charm can be the manner in which a person talks so as to please people. Dictionary shows more definitions.

What is Deception? How many times have products been put on the market, and they are advertised in a certain way, but when a person buys said product, it doesn't match the description? That is deception. So with a teaching on religious matters, how does one get deceived? By a doctrine that is a mixture of truth and lies, but blended in a manner that is healthy to digest, but in reality it is poison.

For the modern age we live in today, we have doctrines that has been processed in a manner so as not to offend or upset anyone, or to put another way, "The People Pleasing Doctrine". And the means of delivering such a doctrine is by using charm.

Ahwatukee · Mar 31, 2018

Yep, I believe the scripture below describes what you are talking about:

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." - II Tim.4:3

valiant · Mar 31, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

LOL NO. A Nehemiah 'fact'. The Jerusalem temple is the temple of the LORD. Every temple is a 'temple of god'.

LaurieB · Mar 31, 2018

I have heard Protestants say Catholics are not christian, but of course there are so few then. Catholics and Protestants together comprise 2.1 billion. Take Catholics out of the mix and we have 1 billion out of almost 8 billion people in the world.
Now take that 1 billion and remove the cults and all others who are not "right" with God and we have how many?
This then means that: the vast majority of mankind will reside in Hellfire (like in Dante's Inferno).

graceNpeace · Mar 31, 2018

LaurieB said:

I have heard Protestants say Catholics are not christian, but of course there are so few then. Catholics and Protestants together comprise 2.1 billion. Take Catholics out of the mix and we have 1 billion out of almost 8 billion people in the world.
Now take that 1 billion and remove the cults and all others who are not "right" with God and we have how many?
This then means that: the vast majority of mankind will reside in Hellfire (like in Dante's Inferno).

Exactly correct!

notuptome · Mar 31, 2018

LaurieB said:

Sobering reality. How bad will it get when the few who know Christ are gone? A virtual hell on earth, the entire earth. The great tribulation awaits the world when the church is gone to be with Jesus.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

preston39 · Mar 31, 2018

LaurieB said:

L...,

The Bible tells us...my words....few will be saved. For emphasis....10% saved and 90% lost.

While I do not agree with the catholic doctrine......I am now convinced this pope is having mental challenges from age. Regardless, his positioning fits into the end times...great deceptions mode...along with the many weird interpretations we see here and elsewhere.

Sad.

LaurieB · Mar 31, 2018

preston39 said:

L...,

The Bible tells us...my words....few will be saved. For emphasis....10% saved and 90% lost.

Where do you get the 10% figure. I kind of think it will be the other way round ... just kidding. God will burn and torture most of his children ... a God of love ... will do this? He knew in advance when he created all of us that he would be so angry at us that he would torture us in the most horrific wya (man's idea of Hell was given to us by Dante). the Old testtament never mentions hell. That leaves Jeus. He refers to Gehenna. Gehenna was a garbage dump where garbage and sometimes, poor people who could not afford a burial, went. All the words were later translated to Hell and then people like Dante ,,,, with his book "The Inferno" gave us fire!

If we believe this, we fear God. There is no way NOT to fear God. You really can't love someone who would do such a horrible thing. I like the way most Protestants (Mainline) and Catholics and other religions think on this issue. They see God/Jesus as inconsistent with doing this kind of thing.

Jesus has way higher morals than we could ever have. Think about how many times he forgave and tellls us to forgive, even people who DONT deserve it and DONT ask for it. He gave it freely ........
But, I better not wonder ... because to question is a sin

Budman · Mar 31, 2018

Either way the claim they are also witnesses in hell is false.

You implied it.

If you did, you'd accept the fact those sent to hell will indeed suffer for eternity.

Ridiculous. The passage says this man (antichrist) will set up an abomination in the Temple to cause desolation. Daniel 11:36-37 goes on to say this man will blaspheme God - just as 2 Thessolonians 2: 3-4 says of this "man of lawlessness" and "son of destruction".

He isn't the Messiah.

Oh sure. If you disregard the entire book of Revelation as having already occurred.

Bladerunner · Apr 1, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

WHoa...just a minute....The restrainer (Church) has to be removed before the Anti-christ can come on the scene..He will then confirm a covenant between Israel and (Death and Hell), whoever they are at that time. This covenant will give Israel the time needed to rebuild the temple.

Yes, the anti-christ has to be on scene for the AoD to happen but many prophecies have to happen prior to that time.

Marcelo · Apr 1, 2018

One pope contradicts another:

According to Benedictus XVI “hell really exists”

MARCH 28, 2007 | Erik Raymond

FoxNews reported today that while addressing a parish in a suburb of Rome, Pope Benedict XVI clarified his view of hell. The Pope said concerning hell, [it] “really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more,”

According to reports from the Vatican this “straightforward” language is in effort to eliminate confusion pending an upcoming release of the new Catholic catechism. One might wonder about confusion from a church that proposes that its doctrine does not change.

However, even the casual Catholic should remember the last Pontiff’s less literal view of hell. Speaking of hell, Pope John Paul II said that it is “the ultimate consequence of sin itself . . . Rather than a place, Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy”.

According to Catholic dogma the Pope is infallible and exists as the functional head of the body of Christ on earth. So how can we have such divergent views on the reality of hell?

Hell is not the only issue with which we seem to see some contemporary doctrinal progression from Rome. In October the Pope indicated that limbo, supposed since medieval times to be a “halfway house” between Heaven and Hell, inhabited by unbaptized infants and holy men and women who lived before Christ, was “only a theological hypothesis” and not a “definitive truth of the faith”.

It is a real shame that millions and millions of folks are walking lock step with the Pope as their authority rather than Scripture. In order to be a good Catholic your theology must progress with the evolution of Papal theology, even at the expense of former Pontiffs.

How dangerous it is to be blown about by Papal winds. Not so for Christians who reject Rome’s magisterial view of authority and embrace the doctrine of Sola Scriptura where God’s unchanging, inerrant, infallible divine Word is the ultimate authority in the church.

Nehemiah6 · Apr 1, 2018

Marcelo said:

The Roman Catholic Church has always believed in the existence of Hell. They may be a little confused about Hades and Gehenna (as to when they are applicable) but both the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia affirm the existence of Hell.

Pythons · Apr 1, 2018

Budman said:

In another interview with his longtime atheist friend, Eugenio Scalfari, Pope Francis claims that Hell does not exist and that condemned souls just "disappear." This is a denial of the 2,000-year-old teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of Hell and the eternal existence of the soul.

The interview between Scalfari and the Pope was published March 28, 2018 in La Repubblica. The relevant section on Hell was translated by the highly respected web log, Rorate Caeli.

The interview is headlined, "The Pope: It is an honor to be called revolutionary." (Il Papa: “È un onore essere chiamato rivoluzionario.")

Scalfari says to the Pope, "Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?"

Pope Francis says, "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."

Full Article: https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-there-no-hell

It's a MISQUOTE coming from an individual who has a history of doing it previously...

A Pope CAN'T invalidate Church Doctrine in any event...
...The reality of Hell is absolutely a defined Catholic Doctrine.
...BUT, it was an interesting read.

Nehemiah6 · Apr 1, 2018

Pythons said:

It cannot be a misquote given the fact that pope Francis is a radical left-wing subversive. And since he created this firestorm, he should have come out with a crystal clear statement of his belief about Hell. He does not hesitate to make his Leftist views public at every opportunity.

Pythons · Apr 1, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

I understand that you are desperate to have him saying this...
...But it's simply not true - a Pope CAN'T redefine Church teaching.
...To have it say something opposite of what it has said.

Is the Pope 'left wing' , I would say he definitely leans that way - but that's not "changing Church teaching".

valiant · Apr 1, 2018

Budman said:

who said that that they were? you are throwing the usual red herrings. what it demonstrates is that the translation 'find no rest day or night' is a loaded translation as it is also said of the living creatures.

well where does it say so in Scripture? NOWHERE.

Purely your misinterpretation of Scripture.,

How can my interpretation of chapter 6 possibly say anything about the question? You just assume.

Pythons · Apr 1, 2018

Valiant said:

Valiant, is your position that subsequent to the Resurrection of the body...
...That the lost will be killed then thrown into the lake of fire.
...And that they ( the lost ) will become AS IF they never existed?

Is this what you're saying?

Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

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