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I recall it being a sword of some kind. Swords can be intimidating.
Found that out the hard way in my evangelizing days.
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Found that out the hard way in my evangelizing days.
Who am I that I decide what belong to the Word of God and what not. You can do this. The bible I am useing have it Inside. Also the Romans 8 Text you mentioned. And all Texts which we uses in this thread you Can find in the Bible. If not, then Please show me.
I once preached in our Church about the role of a Woman in the Church. I dont know how many Woman would like to kill me with their Eyes.
The timespirit says that the bible and the values which we find Inside is from yesterday for People from yesterday. I believe this not. The People since the Time of Paul did not changed in their behaviours and also the values of the Word of God doesnt changed. Sorry for my bad english.
Who put you in a Second Class role? Would you also Talk in this Way if you were Aarons Wife while he was priest? Only the male of the priestfamilie was allowed to eat the Meat from the Sacrifices.
Really I can not understand that you feel 2nd Class.
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eternally-gratefull
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so if I understand you correctly. The woman is not allowed to be a deacon or speak in the church because she needs to stand by her man so the man is not tempted?
That sounds pretty awful and I am sure many women are offended by your comments. (Unless I misunderstood you) Men who are in leadership should be following god, if they are following God they should not be tempted. If they are tempted. then the have more issues than the fact that he does not have a wife which is supporting of him.
One of my pastors in my youth (I was probably in my teens by then) Had a wife who loved him and served the church in many ways, Even his kids helped. His had deacons who loved the lord. Even their wives helped many times (I remember the wives were very active in youth ministry, I was very close to all of them) then one day the pastor and one of the deacons disappeared. They left their spouses and ended up running away together. Our churhc was so affected by this we had to change our name.
Now was it because the wife was not loving or serving him (No)
do we blame the deacons wife who left the deacon who was serving God in mighty ways?
the fact is, both the pastor and the woman who left was to blame. The woman was half the age of the pastor. But that is no excuse, are you going to say it was the woman fault?
sometimes you scare me my friend.
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eternally-gratefull
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Amen, He through people who were taking advantage of the poor out. The priest were letting them do it (they were even benefiting from it, and probably instituted it) this does nto prove what he thinks it said.. I missed this some how. nice catch.
We have some pastors which need to be thrown out of churches because of their evil too. this does not mean we do not let sinners in our churches. That is what church is for. to make disciples of all nations. It is our primary mission. if we do not act on our primary mission, how can we expect god to bless us in our secondary missions?
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eternally-gratefull
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In many cases yes, though perhaps not in all. I think it depends on the individual. A bit like the "better to marry that to burn with lust" teaching. If you can serve better single, good then you don't have a family to be concerned for and can devote all of your time to The Lord. But it's better to marry than to burn with lust and as you have pointed out, your spouse can be beneficial in ministry.
I'm not trying to oppose or contradict what you are saying about this. I think you have raised some good points. Just discussing, I hope that's ok.
Paul was single.. I think he is a great example of an elder who is single.
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eternally-gratefull
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please don't tempt him, we have enough people posting scripture with no commentary. Even though everyone knows what they believe. and when you try to discuss with them, their excuse is we are arguing with scripture.
It is not scripture we are apposed to It is the INTERPRETATION of said scripture.
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eternally-gratefull
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please take your own advice, You have done some of this yourself. If it not in good taste to judge others for doing the very thing you do yourself. it looks bad.
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eternally-gratefull
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Amen, a persons hypocrisy is easy seen. Except to the person himself. that's sad, we all need to take a look inside and judge ourselves. (remove the logs) before we try to remove the specs from others eyes.
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eternally-gratefull
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Nope. I NEVER said that at all. I identified his letter of instruction as the letter to the church in Corinth
BUT I NEVER said or implied his teaching and instruction were limited to that church only
as we all know there is truly only ONE BODY/CHURCH
and that BODY consists of many members.
Women also!
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loyaldisciple
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Nehemiah6 and wolfwint posted these BIBLE translations earlier. Every single one of them either has the word "silent" or "silence" in them. Not a single one of them uses the word "quietness". So to say they have now changed the word in a lot of Bibles to quietness is either having no idea of what one is talking about OR they are intentionally lying.
New International Version
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
New Living Translation
Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.
English Standard Version
the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
New American Standard Bible
The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
King James Bible
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.
International Standard Version
the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the oral law also says.
NET Bible
the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for they are not allowed to speak, but to be in subjection, just as The Written Law also says.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
the women must keep silent. They don't have the right to speak. They must take their place as Moses' Teachings say.
Jubilee Bible 2000
Let your women keep silence in the congregations {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones}, for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be in subjection, as also saith the law.
King James 2000 Bible
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be submissive, as also says the law.
American King James Version
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted to them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also said the law.
American Standard Version
let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith.
Darby Bible Translation
Let [your] women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not permitted to them to speak; but to be in subjection, as the law also says.
English Revised Version
Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
Webster's Bible Translation
Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak: but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Weymouth New Testament
Let married women be silent in the Churches, for they are not permitted to speak. They must be content with a subordinate place, as the Law also says;
World English Bible
let your wives keep silent in the assemblies, for it has not been permitted for them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as the law also says.
Young's Literal Translation
Your women in the assemblies let them be silent, for it hath not been permitted to them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith;
The only reason why you are scared is because you have a bad habit of reading into what one is saying.
1. never said woman is not allowed to be a deacon
2. never said a women is not allowed speak in the church because she needs to stand by her man so the man is not tempted?
3. The word of God tells us those who have issues to marry does it not ? 1cor 7:9
The point I'm making is Yes a women can be a deacon, minster, evangelist, and leader. The word Deacon = servant I think you missed that.
"the word deacon = servant that all. many miss some very important truths about the servant, deacon, minster and it is in the word of God ."
Can a women be a servant of God? Yes. can a women be a deacon yes she can. That being said a husband and wife team in the service does help prevent foolishness. I'm minster I have a wife of 27 years, One wife. Unlike many who are on wife two and three. I don't go and visit a married women home without the husband being there that is called respect. OR my wife is with me. There is more than just trusting a person it is called "to void the very appearance of evil" 1thess 5:22 . I have staff many of them women my wife can come to my office anytime and so can thier husbands , we do not take lunches together without my wife.
Your exmple of the running away deacons is missing soe very important facts.
were either of them married ? If they were why was he working so close to another women that was not his wife? And why would i say it is the womans Fault?
"Men who are in leadership should be following god, if they are following God they should not be tempted. "
Your point here is not biblical sir, No one followed God more than Jesus and guess what HE was tempted.
All men will be tempted. The Bible show us we will be tempted the two reason why 1. God is testing you 2. your lust has control over you. many men followed God and were tempted. Joseph is one that comes to mind. David is another.
Maturity is neded. and it is lacking with many.