Are women allowed to Preach?

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

By the way, you can teach. You just can't do it in pastoral authority over men.

What does that mean? Please spell it out for me.

 

[hornetguy]

LOL. You prove my point again with your animosity. You claim someone else to be attempting to run "roughshod" over someone while doing most of the insulting yourself. Only if you consider pointing out God's "truth" as running roughshod, am I running roughshod over anyone. I think that is your major problem. You simply do not like the truth nor do you wish to go by it, so you view anyone who speaks it as your enemy. Is your awesome respect for others shining through Lucy by the offering of the multitude of insults that you do ? Your heart is not quite as pure as you would like to believe my dear.

Not really. She is simply pointing out what just about everyone else on this site sees in your actions.

 

[Ralph-]

This forum reminds me I do have the call of pastor on my life. You people drive me crazy sometimes.

Edit: "do NOT have the call of pastor on my life"

 

[loyaldisciple]

You think I am disqualified from certain things on the basis of my gender and you won't stop banging on about it. That amounts to you trying to control others no matter how innocent you try to make yourself sound. You very much DO keep using the word "authority" in an obsessive manner. In the meantime we don't discuss we just wrestle over one point of contention.

It is God that has disqualified you from certain tasks, it is not any man on this site. It is God that has issued you a certain role and it is merely men agreeing with God. When a man follows scripture and tells you something in that scripture and you then rebel, you are not simply rebelling against the man as you like to believe. When you rebel against a man that is simply repeating God, then you are rebelling against God, the very one you say you believe in. When God and man are telling you exactly the same thing, and then you rebel, that is rebellion against God. You cannot seem to understand this basic logic.

 

[Mem]

It is God that has disqualified you from certain tasks, it is not any man on this site. It is God that has issued you a certain role and it is merely men agreeing with God. When a man follows scripture and tells you something in that scripture and you then rebel, you are not simply rebelling against the man as you like to believe. When you rebel against a man that is simply repeating God, then you are rebelling against God, the very one you say you believe in. When God and man are telling you exactly the same thing, and then you rebel, that is rebellion against God. You cannot seem to understand this basic logic.

Its a good thing none of the women are doing that here.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

LOL. You prove my point again with your animosity. You claim someone else to be attempting to run "roughshod" over someone while doing most of the insulting yourself. Only if you consider pointing out God's "truth" as running roughshod, am I running roughshod over anyone. I think that is your major problem. You simply do not like the truth nor do you wish to go by it, so you view anyone who speaks it as your enemy. Is your awesome respect for others shining through Lucy by the offering of the multitude of insults that you do ? Your heart is not quite as pure as you would like to believe my dear.

I'm not your dear.

I resist submission to your ideas that's all. You take that as aggressive stance. It's defense. Mo matter how many times people have tried to engage you in the details of historical context and language you sidestep the issues. You want only one thing, ideological surrender to your Victorian ideas. You are not representing God's truth as you keep claiming. I reject your mindset, not God.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

It is God that has disqualified you from certain tasks.

He has disqualified me from the ability to produce sperm yes. Just as you are disqualified from giving birth to children.

Unfortunately for you The Almighty has created women with the ability to think and speak. We even have the capacity to learn reading and writing. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Edit: "do NOT have the call of pastor on my life"

Neither one of us could be a pastor at this time. We are spending far too much time on the internet

 

[loyaldisciple]

You think I am disqualified from certain things on the basis of my gender and you won't stop banging on about it. That amounts to you trying to control others no matter how innocent you try to make yourself sound. You very much DO keep using the word "authority" in an obsessive manner. In the meantime we don't discuss we just wrestle over one point of contention.

We don't "think" you are disqualified from certain tasks based on your gender, we "know" you are disqualified from certain tasks because God has stated so Himself.

1 Corinthians 11:3 [SUP]3[/SUP]But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 [SUP]11[/SUP]A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. [SUP]12[/SUP]I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. [SUP]13[/SUP]For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Genesis 3:16 [SUP]16[/SUP]To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Titus 1:5-9 [SUP]5[/SUP]The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. [SUP]6[/SUP]An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. [SUP]7[/SUP]Since an overseer manages God's household, he must be blameless-not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. [SUP]8[/SUP]Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. [SUP]9[/SUP]He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

Do you trust and believe with all your heart in each and every one of the above verses ? If you or any of these ladies on this site do not trust and believe in those verses with all their heart, then they are not trusting and believing in GOD because those verses are HIS words and NOT the words of any man. Some women here refuse to recognize the fact that any and all restrictions they are complaining about were placed upon them by God and not by man. So, your rebellion and your complaint is not with man, but it is with God Himself. So, why do you keep blaming and becoming angry with man for providing you the scripture ? It is God's word, not man's.

 

[Mem]

Its a good thing none of the women are doing that here.

What is most concerning are those women that submit to the misrepresentation of God's word, as, in doing this, even willingly, they are helping reinforce the system which is built upon sand, (pre)destin{at]ed to be washed away by the high(est) tide. Ah, well, hopefully these at least do have life jackets.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

We don't "think" you are disqualified from certain tasks based on your gender, we "know" you are disqualified from certain tasks because God has stated so Himself.

Is there a parrot in here?

 

[Mem]

What is most concerning are those women that submit to the misrepresentation of God's word, as, in doing this, even willingly, they are helping reinforce the system which is built upon sand, (pre)destin{at]ed to be washed away by the high(est) tide. Ah, well, hopefully these at least do have life jackets.

Yes, I see what you mean, and do agree wholeheartedly.

 

[loyaldisciple]

Is there a parrot in here?

I don't know about any parrots, but since bees have no ears to hear, there seems to be plenty of those in here.

 

[AuntieAnt]

Wow... where in the world do you men get the time to commune with God in worship and prayer if your lives are totally invested in posting on this one thread day and night? I'm having a real difficult time believing God's plan and purpose for your lives is to debate women of God on a message board 24x7.

That's not submission. Men, give it a rest and bless the Lord God instead.

"SEARCH ME, O GOD"
(by Harvest)

Search me, O God and know my heart
Try me and know my mind
See if there be any way in me
That keeps me from following You
My heart has deceived me many times before
I walked in my own desires
Strip away all of my selfishness
Clothe me with more of You

For Lord, You have searched me
You know me well
And yet You invite me to come
To the mountain You dwell on in holiness
Where my heart and Yours can be one

Search me O God, reveal to me
The power You placed within me
It’s time that my heart be completely Yours
It’s time that I give You control

So take my heart, teach me to love You
Make me more like You
Change my heart, help me to know You
Shine Your Light into my heart

For Lord, You have searched me
You know me well
And yet You invite me to come
To the mountain You dwell on in holiness
Where my heart and Yours can be one

[video=youtube;3njO0lUojaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3njO0lUojaw[/video]​

 

[joefizz]

THE VERSES BELOW EXPLAIN RATHER CLEARLY THAT A WOMAN IS NOT TO PREACH WITHIN ANY CHURCH. BE PRETTY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO PREACH WHEN THEY CANNOT SPEAK, DON'T YOU THINK ?

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

I believe several ladies here have missed my point since the beginning. I do not claim women are unable to preach within a church. I do not claim doing such a thing is beyond their ability. What I'm saying is that this is not the role God has given to them, as they were given a role of "supporting" man and not a role of "leading" man. Of course women could preach in a church, but God gave them a different role, one of support rather than leadership. This is explained very early in the book of Genesis when God said woman was to be man's "helper".

God designed everything on this earth including man and woman and He designed man and woman for different tasks. Since God designed them differently He has told us in the Bible what will work best for an overall society. God has told us that the man leading and the woman supporting works much better than the woman leading and the man supporting. God is not saying that both cannot do both, He has simply told us what works "best" and He should know since He is our creator.

There is no degrading of the woman or any lessening of her value when given the role of supporting. Supporting is every bit as important as leading as they both are necessary for end success. The woman is no less valuable because she is supporting, God loves her just the same as the man. This is simply the role He has given her. For any woman to somehow view that as degrading her is simply not viewing things correctly. Just as God does, I too understand the value of women and do not seek to degrade them in any way. I simply believe that God's plan for men and women is correct. As God is our creator, I have to believe He is correct for man to lead and the woman to be the "helper". If I don't believe in God's plan, then how can I claim to believe in God Himself ?

Strange things to say...

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

We don't "think" you are disqualified from certain tasks based on your gender, we "know" you are disqualified from certain tasks because God has stated so Himself.


1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

It is not proved that these are directives for the whole church, for all time. All that can be certain is that they are specific to the church at Corinth.

Why are we not living by Leviticus Chaper 16 ? Leviticus 15? it is written in plain English.


It's the Word of God. If you don't believe it with all your heart you are not trusting and believing in God. I haven't written Leviticus. God has.


Lev 16

29 “This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you— 30 because on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the Lord, you will be clean from all your sins. 31 It is a day of sabbath rest, and you must deny yourselves; it is a lasting ordinance.

Lev:16 (KJV)

29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord.
31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.

Do you trust and believe with all your heart in each and every one of the above verses ? If you or any of these ladies on this site do not trust and believe in those verses with all their heart, then they are not trusting and believing in GOD because those verses are HIS words and NOT the words of any man.

 

[loyaldisciple]

Wow... where in the world do you men get the time to commune with God in worship and prayer if your lives are totally invested in posting on this one thread day and night? I'm having a real difficult time believing God's plan and purpose for your lives is to debate women of God on a message board 24x7.

That's not submission. Men, give it a rest and bless the Lord God instead.

"SEARCH ME, O GOD"
(by Harvest)

Search me, O God and know my heart
Try me and know my mind
See if there be any way in me
That keeps me from following You
My heart has deceived me many times before
I walked in my own desires
Strip away all of my selfishness
Clothe me with more of You

For Lord, You have searched me
You know me well
And yet You invite me to come
To the mountain You dwell on in holiness
Where my heart and Yours can be one

Search me O God, reveal to me
The power You placed within me
It’s time that my heart be completely Yours
It’s time that I give You control

So take my heart, teach me to love You
Make me more like You
Change my heart, help me to know You
Shine Your Light into my heart

For Lord, You have searched me
You know me well
And yet You invite me to come
To the mountain You dwell on in holiness
Where my heart and Yours can be one

[video=youtube;3njO0lUojaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3njO0lUojaw[/video]​

Have you noticed Auntie that it is not simply men in this debate 24/7 ? It is also many women involved including yourself. Constantly defying the word of GOD, yet blaming the men for simply repeating what God has said. Yes, it would be nice if we could all simply agree to do and believe as God has said. You need to look closely here at exactly "who" is disagreeing with the scripture. I don't see many men disagreeing with scripture although there are a few. It is mostly the women who continue to defy the word of God and disagree with the scripture.

 

[joefizz]

Have you noticed Auntie that it is not simply men in this debate 24/7 ? It is also many women involved including yourself. Constantly defying the word of GOD, yet blaming the men for simply repeating what God has said. Yes, it would be nice if we could all simply agree to do and believe as God has said. You need to look closely here at exactly "who" is disagreeing with the scripture. I don't see many men disagreeing with scripture although there are a few. It is mostly the women who continue to defy the word of God and disagree with the scripture.

News flash noone that I know of is claiming that anyone is "defying" the word of God or disagreeing with scripture "only you" strange how everyone else both men and women can "discuss" quite harmoniously yet strongly and wisely,but you can't,why might that be?

 

[joefizz]

Not really. She is simply pointing out what just about everyone else on this site sees in your actions.

Yeah because there is no use discussing with someone who has it in their head that they know just what scripture says and that it's their way or the high way yet claiming their way is God's way nothing is accomplished not learning nor fellowship.

 

[loyaldisciple]

News flash noone that I know of is claiming that anyone is "defying" the word of God or disagreeing with scripture "only you" strange how everyone else both men and women can "discuss" quite harmoniously yet strongly and wisely,but you can't,why might that be?

News flash Joe, you are sadly mistaken if that is what you believe. There has been several men on here that know the truth and have pointed out the fact that many others are disagreeing with scripture. And there has been a couple of women that have pointed out that fact as well. So, you are simply WRONG in your assessment that I am the only one here telling the truth by pointing out that fact.