Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

[eternally-gratefull]

It is because we cannot keep God's law, that we need to turn to Jesus and the cross. Then, when we turn to Christ, who is our salvation, we are also are turning our backs on men and the laws of men.

So, turning to the Saviour is a double blessing and is win, win all the way.

It is BECAUSE we can not follow the law. That Christ had to become the lamb of God who TAKES AWAY the sins of the world. It is because we can not follow the law that we had to have what was written in stone, which was contrary to us, and against us, and have it nailed to the cross (the curse of the law)

Mans problem is not the laws of men, It is the law of SELF.

That is the issue between God and man, Adam and Eve chose SELF over God. The pharisees chose SELF over God. The pagans chose SELF over God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us"
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is "the law" in this saying referring to God's law or to a very particular set of strictly human-origin regulations which only applied to a certain segment of orthodox Jews under the authority of certain rabbis?

"for it is written 'cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree'"

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written where? in God's word or in purely human vain essays? cursed by whom? by human tradition or by God?

Amen, It gets no clearer than this, The word of god is clear what the curse is..

And the word of God is clear we had to be redeemed from this curse, by having the CURSE nailed to the cross.

 

[Studyman]

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Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

is "

the whole law" here a reference to God's covenant at Sinai or to a set of purely human-origin regulations administered by certain pharisees a few thousand years ago which had no authority ever, whatsoever, over anyone outside those particular rabbinical schools?

I think the Prophets who were murdered through "THEIR" Law might take issue with your preaching here. These Mainstream Preachers of that time deceived a lot of People. That is why Jesus, The Word which became Flesh, changed the Priesthood, changed the Covenant. As the Word you dismiss says.


Heb. 8: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.8 For finding fault with them, (The Priests who Corrupted the Word, not God as you preach) he (Jesus) saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant (Priesthood) with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah (no more Levites Priests)

is circumcision a sign of a covenant to keep God's law or human traditions?

is circumcision 'blotted out' ?
is it found in God's word?
how can Paul say this - and say it so emphatically - if it's not?

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The Law is Spiritual, Circumcision is spiritual.

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

It was not blotted out, rather, it's true intent exposed as the Bible meant in the first place.

Lev. 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, (Repent) and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It was the handwriting to the Ordinances that were blotted out not the handwritten ordinances and certainly not the Decalogue.

It is also worthy to note it was only those handwritings to the ordinances which were against us and contrary to us which were blotted out. Not all that was handwritten in the Book of the Law was contrary to us.

The law said one had to obey every word. Fail in one part. and you were under the curse. That is what makes it contrary to us, the STANDARD by which it REQUIRES US to live, which NO ONE has attained but christ.

THAT is what the issue is, The law is righteous and it is good. But it can not make a person righteous, ALL it can do is condemn.

We must be redeemed from the curse of the law. Or we will suffer the curse eternally.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What do you make of these verses, and a supplementary question, would God curse his own chosen people?

Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deu 27:26 KJV)


The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven. (Deu 29:20 KJV)


Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Rom 3:19-20 KJV)

1. I make of them what we have been telling you since the start of this thread.
2. Would God curse his chosen? What did Syria do to Israel? What did Babylon do to Israel? What did Rome do to Israel? while this is not the curse of the law that caused that pain and suffering, He did curse his own as he promised he would in Lev 26

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are in Colossians not Galatians.

Colossians says, Blotting out the Handwriting to the Ordinances that were contrary to us not me.

Off to work. May the LORD bless us all in all HIS Way; Jesus Christ.

Galatians explains Colossians, As do many other passages. the bible is a book that must be taken as a whole. Not as part.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is when you try to pull it out of context to say something it does not say. Colossians not Galatians. If you want to speak about Galatians we can go there too. But I suggest you stick with Colossians until you have a proper understanding of that.

lol.. He has proper understanding, And galations just CONFIRMS his interpretation.

 

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Oh, didn't realise the rest of scripture is irrelevant???

Hey, none of that is from Colossians lol

It is what i am asking in my previous post. And for your supplementary question, all you have to do is say whether the first verse you put is from God or not - or if Genesis 3 is true?

Red: double speak or what!

 

[PS]

It is BECAUSE we can not follow the law. That Christ had to become the lamb of God who TAKES AWAY the sins of the world. It is because we can not follow the law that we had to have what was written in stone, which was contrary to us, and against us, and have it nailed to the cross (the curse of the law)

That is why God nailed it to the cross.

 

[tourist]

That is why God nailed it to the cross.

So it's now OK to lie, cheat, murder, commit adultery? Without the law there is no knowledge of sin. Only thing nailed to the cross was Jesus paying the punishment of our sins. Oh yeah, a sign was nailed there too in 3 languages saying that He is the king of the Jews.

 

[Ralph-]

SDA's try to argue that only "the law of ceremonies" was nailed to the cross, and the 10 Commandments were not included. But this is an interpretation driven by an agenda and SDA propaganda and not by listening to the texts. Paul says that whatever was nailed to the cross "was against us" and "contrary to us" (Colossians 2:14).

It is the debt of law that got nailed to the cross.

That includes both the actual law of Moses and the rabbinical judgments added on to it. By law (Deuteronomy 17:10) the people of God HAD to obey whatever some yutz in authority over the people of God decided you must do in regard to the proper application and keeping of the law of Moses. (Jesus didn't have to do them because he is the head Rabbi able to nullify and change any judgment of a lesser ranking rabbi).


The law being nailed to the cross does not mean a removal of obligation to keep and/or fulfill the law. The debt incurred by not keeping the law is what got nailed to the cross. In Christ, any and all responsibility for unkept law is removed by the cross. And so the law no longer has power over us in regard to what we owe regarding broken law. And so the law is instead rendered powerless to hold us to that debt, as if it was crucified dead.

The reason we don't have to keep the ceremonial parts of the law is not because they got destroyed and trampled on at the cross so now we can violate them. Jesus said he did not come to do that (Matthew 5:17-18). The reason we do not HAVE to do those is because they are simply not needed anymore. They have no purpose or value in bringing a person close to God in covenant worship for the person already brought near to God through Christ. That makes them obsolete. That doesn't mean they are now trampled on and abused and broken now that Christ has come. It means we simply do not have to do them to come close to God anymore. They remain on the books but are marked 'fulfilled and satisfied' for the person who has faith in Christ.

 

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1. I make of them what we have been telling you since the start of this thread.
2. Would God curse his chosen? What did Syria do to Israel? What did Babylon do to Israel? What did Rome do to Israel? while this is not the curse of the law that caused that pain and suffering, He did curse his own as he promised he would in Lev 26

I don't see Jesus cursing anyone in this life, instead he would rather take our sins upon himself otherwise his death was in vain.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Gal 2:21 KJV)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't see Jesus cursing anyone in this life, instead he would rather take our sins upon himself otherwise his death was in vain.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Gal 2:21 KJV)

You go back and forth so much, I wonder if you even are being serious.

There is the curse of the law (spiritual death) which Jesus took on himself on the cross

And their is the curse of the law of being removed from your land as far as Leviticus 26 goes.

The first one is applicable to ALL MEN, and paul discusses this curse in Collossians

The second one applies only to the nation of Israel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is why God nailed it to the cross.

You just spend the whole thread arguing against this.. saying he nailed the law of men to the cross, Have you changed your view?

 

[PS]

So it's now OK to lie, cheat, murder, commit adultery? Without the law there is no knowledge of sin. Only thing nailed to the cross was Jesus paying the punishment of our sins. Oh yeah, a sign was nailed there too in 3 languages saying that He is the king of the Jews.

Levitical law was abolished with the tearing apart of the veil in the Temple. Now we can enter into the presence of God and live according to His commandments and not the law of men i.e. Moses and the priests.

 

[PS]

You just spend the whole thread arguing against this.. saying he nailed the law of men to the cross, Have you changed your view?

No, I have not changed my view, you misread the article.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, I have not changed my view, you misread the article.

I came across this explanation about the “blotting out of the handwriting of ordinances” and thought people might be interested. It is quite long and this is a summery. There is a link to the full article below.


The “handwriting of ordinances” is not the Ten Commandments which were written on two tables of stone by Yahweh’s own finger. These are the ordinances that were handwritten by pagan man. They were not engraved on two tablets of stone as were the Ten Commandments.

can you explain?

 

[Studyman]

It is BECAUSE we can not follow the law. That Christ had to become the lamb of God who TAKES AWAY the sins of the world. It is because we can not follow the law that we had to have what was written in stone, which was contrary to us, and against us, and have it nailed to the cross (the curse of the law)

Mans problem is not the laws of men, It is the law of SELF.

That is the issue between God and man, Adam and Eve chose SELF over God. The pharisees chose SELF over God. The pagans chose SELF over God.

Again,

This is Catholic doctrine to be sure. But the Bible teaches differently as it "clearly" shows.

Gen. 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Num. 14:24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Eph. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matt. 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

2 Cor. 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Phip. 311 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained,(He is not immortal yet like you are EG) either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, (Past sins) and reaching forth unto those things which are before, (Go and sin no more)

14 I press (Jesus doesn't press for me) toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, (As Jesus instructed us to be) be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.


Yes, you preach we can't do as the Word which became Flesh instructed. The Pope preaches we can't follow the instructions of the Word which became Flesh, and so does the serpent, so did the Israelites coming into the land God sent them. But Caleb trusted in God, Abraham trusted in God, Zechariahs trusted in God, and by His Mercy so do I.

You don't, that's fine. Just stop placing stumbling blocks in front of those people who do.

The Word which became Flesh not only tells me I must Follow His Instructions, but that I CAN with His Help. He also warns about people who come in His Name to deceive me into believing the lie that I can't.


I can not just reject all these and many more Word's of God just to be accepted by your religion.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again,

This is Catholic doctrine to be sure. But the Bible teaches differently as it "clearly" shows.

Gen. 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Num. 14:24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Eph. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matt. 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

2 Cor. 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Phip. 311 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained,(He is not immortal yet like you are EG) either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, (Past sins) and reaching forth unto those things which are before, (Go and sin no more)

14 I press (Jesus doesn't press for me) toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, (As Jesus instructed us to be) be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.


Yes, you preach we can't do as the Word which became Flesh instructed. The Pope preaches we can't follow the instructions of the Word which became Flesh, and so does the serpent, so did the Israelites coming into the land God sent them. But Caleb trusted in God, Abraham trusted in God, Zechariahs trusted in God, and by His Mercy so do I.

You don't, that's fine. Just stop placing stumbling blocks in front of those people who do.

The Word which became Flesh not only tells me I must Follow His Instructions, but that I CAN with His Help. He also warns about people who come in His Name to deceive me into believing the lie that I can't.


I can not just reject all these and many more Word's of God just to be accepted by your religion.

Again, This person thinks he has fulfilled the law. He refuses to acknowledge he needs Christ because he can not keep the law.


You say you can not reject Gods word. yet you reject not only his word. But himself.

 

[PS]

You go back and forth so much, I wonder if you even are being serious.

There is the curse of the law (spiritual death) which Jesus took on himself on the cross

And their is the curse of the law of being removed from your land as far as Leviticus 26 goes.

The first one is applicable to ALL MEN, and paul discusses this curse in Collossians

The second one applies only to the nation of Israel.

Just so we understand each other, I believe Jesus is the WORD and the WORD is God who became flesh. I also believe God is unchanging. Neither do I believe a loving God who planed our salvation from the foundation of the earth would curse His children in this life.

I also believe we are born sinners after the influence of the Serpent in the Garden and where-ever the true God is, the imposter, the harbinger of death and destruction, is not far behind, hence the curse.