Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances
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Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
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And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Luke 14:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Acts 26:Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Heb. 3:22 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
Jesus and His Word teaches differently about Moses than you or "many" on this forum preach. I think it is because natural man hates God, and since Moses gave us God's Word, they hate Moses as well.
The Pharisees hated the instructions He gave so much they created their own. I believe this is also why Mainstream Christianity created a different Jesus. A long haired men's hair shampoo model who saved them from that horrible unjust, unfair God of Abraham.
Yes, God gave Moses the same instructions he gave to Abraham, but he "ADDED" a Priesthood Abraham did not have. Abraham was justified "Apart" from that Law.
I think it is a mistake to blame Moses or the God of Abraham for the choice people made to reject His Instructions. Jesus didn't.
For finding fault with them, (Not Moses, but the Priests who rejected him as Jesus said above) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
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And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Luke 14:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Acts 26:Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Heb. 3:22 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
Jesus and His Word teaches differently about Moses than you or "many" on this forum preach. I think it is because natural man hates God, and since Moses gave us God's Word, they hate Moses as well.
The Pharisees hated the instructions He gave so much they created their own. I believe this is also why Mainstream Christianity created a different Jesus. A long haired men's hair shampoo model who saved them from that horrible unjust, unfair God of Abraham.
Yes, God gave Moses the same instructions he gave to Abraham, but he "ADDED" a Priesthood Abraham did not have. Abraham was justified "Apart" from that Law.
I think it is a mistake to blame Moses or the God of Abraham for the choice people made to reject His Instructions. Jesus didn't.
For finding fault with them, (Not Moses, but the Priests who rejected him as Jesus said above) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
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I will try one more time.
In ex 20, The lord told moses to give Isreal some commands (laws), These commands were given and written over a few chapters. and are known as (including the ten commands and other laws) the law of moses.
Ex 20: [SUP]22 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
Is this the same God who gave moses the same commmands, A different Lord. or moses himself making this stuff up?
In ex 20, The lord told moses to give Isreal some commands (laws), These commands were given and written over a few chapters. and are known as (including the ten commands and other laws) the law of moses.
Ex 20: [SUP]22 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
Is this the same God who gave moses the same commmands, A different Lord. or moses himself making this stuff up?
It is when you try to pull it out of context to say something it does not say. Colossians not Galatians. If you want to speak about Galatians we can go there too. But I suggest you stick with Colossians until you have a proper understanding of that.
There is No such thing as Mosaic Law. It is GOD's not Moses'.
It is HE that has put HIS Laws in our Hearts and in our minds.
It is HE that has put HIS Word; HIS Christ in out hearts and in our mouths. This the Faith in which we speak and the Faith to which Paul shared.
Your problem is with GOD not me!
that is similar to what i think when hear a person wanting to ignore Galatians because it clearly overthrows the confusion they embrace about Colossians.
same Spirit that inspired the same apostle. same gospel. if you can't read Galatians without it contradicting what you think about Colossians, you're in a ditch.
don't worry, there's rope !
same Spirit that inspired the same apostle. same gospel. if you can't read Galatians without it contradicting what you think about Colossians, you're in a ditch.
don't worry, there's rope !
that is similar to what i think when hear a person wanting to ignore Galatians because it clearly overthrows the confusion they embrace about Colossians.
same Spirit that inspired the same apostle. same gospel. if you can't read Galatians without it contradicting what you think about Colossians, you're in a ditch.
don't worry, there's rope !
same Spirit that inspired the same apostle. same gospel. if you can't read Galatians without it contradicting what you think about Colossians, you're in a ditch.
don't worry, there's rope !
If I am in it I am Only in it trying to pull you out through Christ.
When you take what was shared of Colossians and prove it wrong or see the truth in it then we can move to Galatians.
Incidentally I see you ignored the heart of the post again. Striving for contention?
what about if a person were to take a stab at answering my questions, now several pages back, instead of refusing to address them because they arise from quotes out of "wrong epistle" ?
here, i'll give links:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/165215-blotting-out-handwriting-ordinances-14.html#post3531163
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/165215-blotting-out-handwriting-ordinances-14.html#post3531169
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/165215-blotting-out-handwriting-ordinances-14.html#post3531185
((did Paul preach one gospel in Galatia and a different one in Collosae?? why is it okay to keep bringing up Deuteronomy??))
here, i'll give links:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/165215-blotting-out-handwriting-ordinances-14.html#post3531163
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/165215-blotting-out-handwriting-ordinances-14.html#post3531169
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/165215-blotting-out-handwriting-ordinances-14.html#post3531185
((did Paul preach one gospel in Galatia and a different one in Collosae?? why is it okay to keep bringing up Deuteronomy??
)) 
a teacher i've been listening to has a habit of saying that if ((a hypothetical person)) gets ((a fundamental doctrine)) wrong, they'll be hopelessly in a ditch with everything else they say.
ya listen to a hundred hours of someone, their speech affections and idioms start to work their way into your own dialogue. i even start speaking in broken English when i spend a lot of time with exchange students.
that's all.
if i was trying to get 'likes' i'd be posting gifs in the singles forum -- i'm out to demolish arguments and take thoughts captive to the glory of the Messiah
ya listen to a hundred hours of someone, their speech affections and idioms start to work their way into your own dialogue. i even start speaking in broken English when i spend a lot of time with exchange students.
that's all.
if i was trying to get 'likes' i'd be posting gifs in the singles forum
-- i'm out to demolish arguments and take thoughts captive to the glory of the Messiah i often fret about offending them but i can't help it; i just start to parrot inflections etc. when i'm immersed in them. it's natural, too, in a similar way, to quote from all over the scripture when you start to discuss it in detail -- scripture is incredibly intertwined with itself all over; no other book is like it - because all of it is about Christ, He is all over it, and scripture all over interprets scripture all over. this whole discussion for example is also about the garments God made for Adam and the Woman in the garden, and it's about Tamar's husbands and twins fathered by Judah, and about Esau running to meet Jacob and embrace him, and it's explained by the parable of the servants given talents. ya probably don't want to hear all that lol -- i might turn out to be referencing Philemon if i get too "useful" !! wrong book! haha
((because, Onesimus, get it?? -- hey! Philemon lived in Colossae! back on track! hooray
))
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lets see what Jesus thinks
Luke 24:44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning me
John 7: 23. If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?
Or how a out the Apostle Paul?
Acts 13: 39. and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
1 cor 9: 9 For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about
or how about the author of hebrews? although i only needed two witnesses and satisfied that
Heb 10: 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
while your right, it is Gods law. But to say their is no mosaic law, is just wrong.
Luke 24:44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning me
John 7: 23. If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?
Or how a out the Apostle Paul?
Acts 13: 39. and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
1 cor 9: 9 For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about
or how about the author of hebrews? although i only needed two witnesses and satisfied that
Heb 10: 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
while your right, it is Gods law. But to say their is no mosaic law, is just wrong.
The Law; the Word; HIS Christ is put in our hearts, minds and mouths.
This has been available since the time of Moses if not before through Christ. In Deut 30:6,10-14 GOD has said, And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God (through this circumcision), to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law (the word), and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word (the Book of the Law) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deu 30:6, 10-14 KJV)
This has always been GOD's intent. This what Christ fulfilled.
For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word, the Book of the Law)down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word, the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ, the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (the word, the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouths) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:6-8,4 KJV)
This has been available since the time of Moses if not before through Christ. In Deut 30:6,10-14 GOD has said, And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God (through this circumcision), to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law (the word), and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word (the Book of the Law) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deu 30:6, 10-14 KJV)
This has always been GOD's intent. This what Christ fulfilled.
For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word, the Book of the Law)down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word, the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ, the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (the word, the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouths) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.(Rom 10:6-8,4 KJV)
What he meant -- and you agree -- is that even what is termed "the Law of Moses" or "the Mosaic Law" is actually God's Law given through Moses. But the Ten Commandments are not null and void. In the Old Covenant they were written on tablets of stone. In the New Covenant they are written in the hearts and minds of those who are saved. And they provide the foundation for the Law of Love or the Law of Christ.
The Law; the Word; HIS Christ is put in our hearts, minds and mouths.
This has been available since the time of Moses if not before through Christ. In Deut 30:6,10-14 GOD has said, And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God (through this circumcision), to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law (the word), and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word (the Book of the Law) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deu 30:6, 10-14 KJV)
This has always been GOD's intent. This what Christ fulfilled.
For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word, the Book of the Law)down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word, the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ, the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (the word, the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouths) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:6-8,4 KJV)
This has been available since the time of Moses if not before through Christ. In Deut 30:6,10-14 GOD has said, And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God (through this circumcision), to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law (the word), and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word (the Book of the Law) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deu 30:6, 10-14 KJV)
This has always been GOD's intent. This what Christ fulfilled.
For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word, the Book of the Law)down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word, the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ, the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (the word, the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouths) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.(Rom 10:6-8,4 KJV)