Hebrews 10:26-31

[Ralph-]

Everyone says that we will have glorified bodies, after our resurrection. I don't agree, we will be spirit. John said: John 4:24: “God is spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.” and in 1 John 3:2: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is." Sounds like we will be spirits too. God could be among us and invisible like His angels are. He could make Himself visible and has done so in the past.

We will get physical bodies. Christ got his when he rose from the dead. He is the first fruits raised from among the dead. We will get our bodies when we are resurrected from the dead at Christ's return:


"20But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming"-1 Corinthians 15:20-23


"they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit.38And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.41While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43and He took it and ate it before them."-Luke 24:37-43

 

[LW97]

We will get physical bodies. Christ got his when he rose from the dead. He is the first fruits raised from among the dead. We will get our bodies when we are resurrected from the dead at Christ's return:


"20But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming"-1 Corinthians 15:20-23


"they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit.38And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.41While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43and He took it and ate it before them."-Luke 24:37-43

You mean: we will get GLORIFIED bodies

 

[Deade]

We will get physical bodies. Christ got his when he rose from the dead. He is the first fruits raised from among the dead. We will get our bodies when we are resurrected from the dead at Christ's return:


"20But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming"-1 Corinthians 15:20-23


"they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit.38And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.41While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43and He took it and ate it before them."-Luke 24:37-43

And you think Christ looks like that now? That body was for identification purposes. Consider:
I think if we were to lay eyes on Jesus today, He would reflect the glory of the Father.

References:

Revelation 1:12-16: “And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.”

Matthew 16:27: “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

Matthew 24:30: “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

Matthew 25:31: “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:”

Luke 21:27: “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”

Mark 8:38: “Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

Mark 13:26: “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.”

John 17:5: “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

Revelation 19:11-16: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, with that it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

 

[Ralph-]

Verse 5 clearly says he also would have gone to heaven if he didn't repent.

You're not getting it. Paul is saying he is to be turned over to death of the flesh so he can be saved when Jesus returns.


If this is physical death, why/how does physical death make it so he can be saved when Jesus comes back. Why would that be necessary since it is claimed he can't lose his salvation anyway. That would make dying to be saved unnecessary. But Paul says it is necessary.....so he may be saved when Jesus returns.

And if this is dying to the flesh, why does he have to put sins of the flesh to death so he'll be saved when Jesus comes back if, as is claimed, he is already once saved always saved and can't lose his salvation?

 

[Ralph-]

And you think Christ looks like that now? That body was for identification purposes. Consider:
I think if we were to lay eyes on Jesus today, He would reflect the glory of the Father.

The point is, it's a physical, flesh body, not just a disembodied spirit.

 

[Ralph-]

You mean: we will get GLORIFIED bodies

That is right.......physical, flesh, glorified bodies.

No sexual apparatus. No Adamic propensity to sin. And who knows what else. Just the pure joy of living.

 

[LW97]

You're not getting it. Paul is saying he is to be turned over to death of the flesh so he can be saved when Jesus returns.

That wouldn't make any sense, sorry. No, it's for the man to remain saved, a command from God. But...

If this is physical death, why/how does physical death make it so he can be saved when Jesus comes back. Why would that be necessary since it is claimed he can't lose his salvation anyway. That would make dying to be saved unnecessary. But Paul says it is necessary.....so he may be saved when Jesus returns.

As I said, without God's chastisement, a man COULD lose his salvation. So, if what Hebrews 12:6-7 says wasn't true, then he would have lost his salvation. God prevented him from dying spiritually. Yes, we are once saved always saved, but... but it is because salvation depends on GOd, who doesn't make mistakes. If God had made a mistake, this man would have lost his salvation. If salvation depended on man, he would lose it everytime he sins. But it depends on God, who always avoids the loss of salvation. And this time God saw no other way but put the man to death.

 

[Ralph-]

If salvation depended on man, he would lose it everytime he sins. But it depends on God, who always avoids the loss of salvation. And this time God saw no other way but put the man to death.

You're not answering the question. What is it about dying in the body that makes it so a man is saved when Jesus returns?

What power in salvation is there in your body dying that makes it so you are saved when Jesus returns? Especially since it is claimed that the saved person is always saved and can't lose it?

 

[LW97]

You're not answering the question. What is it about dying in the body that makes it so a man is saved when Jesus returns?

What power in salvation is there in your body dying that makes it so you are saved when Jesus returns? Especially since it is claimed that the saved person is always saved and can't lose it?

Again, a man is only eternally secure because of God. Who do you think wanted that man to die? People or God? If God didn't prevent saved men (and women) from falling, they could lose their salvation easily. Do you not understand the power of God's chastisement? Read Hebrews 12:6-11.

 

[Gabriel2020]

We most certainly will have glorified bodies, it;s all in the scriptures. Scriptures say also that he will not leave us naked, which means just only in spirit. That means that whether we are alive or dead when he returns, we will put off the corruptible if we are alive, and put on the incorruptible.

 

[TruthTalk]

Something from my website: https://linus4203.wixsite.com/jesusdiedforall/blog/eternal-security

Hello LW97, Love the book of Hebrews and appreciate the link to your website. I just skimmed a few topics' and short video, very nice and your love for Jesus is pleasing to see and read, thank you.

 

[FlyingDove]

Hebrews Chapter 10, the main theme throughout the book of Hebrews is BETTER.

Christ is better: Better then angels, because they worship the Christ. Better then Moses, because He created Him. Better then the Aaronic priesthood, because Christ's sin sacrifice is once for all time. Better then the law, because Christ mediates a better covenant.

"BETER SACRIFICE" is the context in the following:
Verse's: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 12.

"New Better Covenant" is the context in:
Verse's: 9, 10, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21.

In 18 of the first 21 verses context is:

"""BETTER SACRIFICE or NEW BETTER COVENANT"""

Verses 7, 13 & 15 are unrelated to salvation as well as: Verses 22, 23, 25 & 25

Heb 10:
26 If we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
(NOTE: 1st, The knowledge of truth: Messiah's sacrifice has brought forth: A NEW BETTER "SACRFICIAL SYSTEM". 2ndly, If you willingly reject: THE NEW BETTER SACRIFICIAL COVENANT. You can no longer find "ATONEMENT FOR SIN" offered under the Temple sacrificial system)

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(NOTE: If you choose the old sacrificial system. Now replaced by: A BETTER ONE. You will face God's fiery, indignation of judgment)

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(NOTE: If you despise/reject Messiah's SIN ATONING WORK. You will face God's wrath)

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(NOTE Vs 29 is the mesage in context: There is NO ATONING SACRICICE. For the sin of willfully rejecting (unbelief) the BETTER SIN ATONING SACRIFICE. Found in the death (sin's wage, PAID in FULL), burial & resurrection (God's stamped receipt, PAYMENT ACCEPTED)

Synopsis: The chapter is written to Hebrews steeped on old testament doctrine.

The message is: there is a New Better Sacrificial Covenant.

One cut in the blood of a sinless willing saviour Jesus the Messiah/Christ. Old covenant Temple sacrifice offering's are now worthless.

Messiah dies, old system ends. And a New BETTER system begins here:

Matt 27:51 behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; the earth did quake & the rocks rent;

Gal 1:
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
(NOTE: Many Jews herd the Gospel of Grace. But, soon after when chastised by the Old Covenant leadership. They went back to the Temple sacrificial system)

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ/Grace.
(NOTE: Willfully denying Messiah's New Better Sacrifice is a perversion)

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
(NOTE: A curse will come upon anyone willfully rejecting Messiah's work)

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(NOTE: A 2nd curse will come upon anyone willfully rejecting Messiah's work)

Placing the old Sacrificial System in front of the New Better Sacrificial System. Is a perversion & will receive a double curse.

Reread verses 8 & 9"
REJECT MESSIAH'S BETTER SACRIFICE = RECEIVE A DOUBLE CURSE!

 

[Deade]

We most certainly will have glorified bodies, it;s all in the scriptures. Scriptures say also that he will not leave us naked, which means just only in spirit. That means that whether we are alive or dead when he returns, we will put off the corruptible if we are alive, and put on the incorruptible.

Okay, if you have a glorified body and someone packs you with thirty pounds of C4. Poof! You are gone. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. You should be able to generate a fleshly body to eat and drink, but you life is preserved in your spirit only.

I know what a spiritual body is: it is spirit. Of course Christ ascended and came back in a physical body. He also generated physical bodies for Himself and two cherubim in the Plains of Mamre to talk to Abraham. He is God, He can do anything he wants.

John 4:24: “God is a spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.” This is what your spiritual bodies are.

2 Cor. 3:17,18: “Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.” God does not need a body.

We would not even recognize Him in His glorified form. 2 Corinthians 5:16: "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." He is now in glory.

Everything made in our universe was made by the unseen (spirits).

Hebrews 11:3: “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”

1 Timothy 1:17: “ Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

 

[Gabriel2020]

Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth, and put in writing? INCORRUPTIBLE!!!. Nothing can destroy it.

 

[Lewiz]

Theoretically it was possible to lose salvation. If it wasn't for God chastisement, a man could fall off and never return. In that case, God can ever go as far as killing the Christian.

My, God kills christians to keep them saved.

You have to go waaaaaaaay out in heresy land to believe that one.

 

[Chester]

Sorry, you can't match that with the scriptures. Hebrews 6:4-6 says, if a Christian could lose his salvation, he could never get it back unless Jesus died a second time.
And was the Prodigal Son still his father's son or not?

Hebrews 6:4-6 says simply that once a person has "been enlightened", "tasted of the Holy Spirit", etc. , and then falls away, it is impossible to renew them to repentance while they are at the same time continuing to "crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh" (Greek present participle) and while they are at the same time continuing to "put God to an open shame" (Greek present participle).

 

[Gabriel2020]

He is correct on this issue. Rather to let the devil have you again, he will destroy the body in order that the soul may be saved. Those that are his.

 

[Gabriel2020]

You are correct. People need to realize that only God knows when a believer is on his way to destruction, not people, and he and he only makes the call and no one can stop him. This kind of falling away comes by rejecting God,and never wanting anything to do with him. Satan's fall came by wanting to have it his way, rejecting God and fighting against him. Even If he could have repented, he would have been wasting his time. Maybe he knew once he rejected God that there was no turning back.. Once again he had it all, and threw it away.

 

[Gabriel2020]

A person that goes back into the world ,but never renounce God is still saved. Only the one that renounce him does not get a second chance.

 

[OneFaith]

Sorry, you can't match that with the scriptures. Hebrews 6:4-6 says, if a Christian could lose his salvation, he could never get it back unless Jesus died a second time.
And was the Prodigal Son still his father's son or not?

The difference between a prodigal and someone who leaves the truth is this... the prodigal never disowned his father and chose someone to replace him. If I, knowing the truth, knowing Jesus Christ, would chose now to leave Christianity to become Muslim and follow a false god, I can then never come back to the real God. There is no way I can seriously choose someone else to be my Christ, then come back to the true Christ- because that would be like crucifying Him twice for my case come judgement day.

A prodigal has just left the father, not replaced him. The prodigal may have still been a son, like you mentioned, but what did the father say about his son when he returned? “My Son was dead and is now alive.” His Son did not physically die, the parable is telling us that if we leave the Father we are spiritually dead, but He can revive our spiritual life if we return to Him before it’s too late.