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2 John 1:1-11 The elder, To the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love. It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER. And this is love: that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. MANY DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is THE DECEIVER AND THE ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. ANYONE WHO RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST DOES NOT HAVE GOD; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
1 John 3:16-18 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, LET US NOT LOVE WITH WORDS or tongue BUT WITH ACTIONS and in truth.
1 John 1:5-10 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. IF WE CLAIM to have fellowship with him yet WALK in the darkness, WE LIE and do not live by the truth. But if we WALK in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. IF WE CLAIM to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we CONFESS our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. IF WE CLAIM we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and HIS WORD HAS NO PLACE IN OUR LIVES.
"IT'S ONE THING TO SAY AND CLAIM AND ANOTHER THING TO DO AND WALK THE TALK."
"IT'S ONE THING TO SAY AND CLAIM AND ANOTHER THING TO DO AND WALK THE TALK."
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So WHERE can in that MEMORIZED CREED is anything about establishing a REAL Personal Relationship with JESUS or anything about being BORN AGAIN? ? ?
John 3:2-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This man came to Him at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
Where in that CREED is that absolute necessity to see the Kingdom of GOD? ? ?
Let's see the verses that DESCRIBE hot to be BORN AGAIN:
Psalm 51:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] The sacrifice pleasing to God is a broken spirit {mourning over your sinfulness}. God, You will not despise a broken and humbled heart.
Nope Your CREED has nothing about mourning over your sinfulness.
1 John 1:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
OH MY, there is nothing about Confessing our sins, how did they leave that one out?
John 1:12-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But to all who did receive Him, He gave them the right to be children of God, to those who believe in His name,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.
OH MY, your CREED does not even have anything about Receiving JESUS CHRIST.
RECEIVE HIM AS WHAT? ? ?
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord {which means MASTER}, continue to live in him,
Once again, their is NOTHING about RECEIVING JESUS AS LORD.
Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {It says CONFESS, not merely Profess} with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
I guarantee you that IF YOU DID NOT WITH YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT RECEIVE JESUS AS LORD, IT IS STILL REMAINS AS ONLY A PROFESSION, and NOT a CONFESSING, which HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY TRUE ABOUT YOUR SELF, before you can say it AS A CONFESSING. I use to be Volunteer Protestant Chaplain, in one of the Biggest super-max prisons in the country. AND EVERY INMATE UNDERSTOOD WHAT A CONFESSION IS. I would ask "I you say you robbed a bank in NEW YORK CITY", and you have never been in NEW YORK CITY in your LIFE, is that A PROFESSION or a CONFESSION. EVERY INMATE GOT THAT QUESTION ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. SO how come, when you read that verse think it is a Confession when you have NEVER RECEIVED JESUS spiritually in your HEART prior to CONFESSING IT ? ? ?
THAT IS WHAT TRUE FAITH IS ALL ABOUT, and not some memorized lists, that does not include the REAL plan of Salvation. Genuine Saving FAITH is NOT just an intellectual acknowledgement about the facts, IT IS A REAL PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST.
John 17:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] I am in them and You are in Me. May they be made completely one, so the world may know You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me.
Galatians 2:20 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
And the NASB completely messed up Romans 10:9. Here how the KJV translated it:
"[FONT="]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
[/FONT]And an a word by word translation from the Greek:
"that if you confess the saying with the mouth of you the Lord Jesus..."
We don't make Jesus Lord, he already is Lord.
"[FONT="]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
[/FONT]And an a word by word translation from the Greek:
"that if you confess the saying with the mouth of you the Lord Jesus..."
We don't make Jesus Lord, he already is Lord.
Look pal....to say what you said is not of GOD....end of story....to say the BIBLE is not enough or to call it FLAWED and then say I must follow some retarded creed written by men is as ignorant and false as it comes.....I could care less what YOU believe...you spoke volumes when you said the following....and I did not claim you were OF the devil, but that one who would say the BIBLE is not sufficient or enough is NOT LED OF GOD, but that ONLY the DEVIL would lead one to say such a thing....quit putting words in my mouth that i did not say!
Originally Posted by Endoscopy
Your ludicrous claim of Bible only makes you reject the works of sound Christian people writing aids to study the Bible. Your rejection of these demonstrates your blind adherence to a flawed book. All translations have flaws. One thing some of the Bible helps have is discussion of these flaws.
Your ludicrous claim of Bible only makes you reject the works of sound Christian people writing aids to study the Bible. Your rejection of these demonstrates your blind adherence to a flawed book. All translations have flaws. One thing some of the Bible helps have is discussion of these flaws.
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Yeah, I am just saying we don't make Jesus Lord our life because he already is Lord. Of course we must repent to get saved, but...
[FONT="]Original Word: μετανοέωPart of Speech: VerbTransliteration: metanoeóPhonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)Short Definition: I repent, change my mindDefinition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.[/FONT][FONT="]3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think") – properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").[/FONT][FONT="]
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[FONT="]Original Word: μετανοέωPart of Speech: VerbTransliteration: metanoeóPhonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)Short Definition: I repent, change my mindDefinition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.[/FONT][FONT="]3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think") – properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").[/FONT][FONT="]
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repent just means to change your thinking
To change means you stop believing you are the center of the universe, and realise God is the center of the universe
To stop thinking you must take care of your needs, To admitting Only God can do these things
To stop thinking you are righteous, and God loves you based on who you are so he will not send you to hell, Or there is no god. to there is a God and admitting even one sins makes me guilty, and thus I need his salvation.
I think someone said it earlier, Paul si a great example of what true repentance looks like. .