Not By Works
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Really...actually Jesus employed it quite a bit when dealing with the lawyers and Pharisees....
Remember when they came temping him and asking him foolish questions trying to trip him up....
He said...answer my question and then I will answer your...The immersion of JOHN was it from men or GOD........A GOTCHA moment if ever there was one...........
WAKE UP.....all who push the law drivel refuse to say verbatim that they break the law.....and or that the law condemns and makes NO ONE righteous before GOD....
end of story!
Remember when they came temping him and asking him foolish questions trying to trip him up....
He said...answer my question and then I will answer your...The immersion of JOHN was it from men or GOD........A GOTCHA moment if ever there was one...........
WAKE UP.....all who push the law drivel refuse to say verbatim that they break the law.....and or that the law condemns and makes NO ONE righteous before GOD....
end of story!
N
i have yet to see a post from you that doesnt reek of false gospel....
you avoid questions while heaping accusations on dcon looking to establish righteousness over him
"aha! .... gotcha"
well
do you
or do you not think that a man is justified by works or the law?
this thread was made to give glory to God
to praise Jesus for His sacrifice
and to show sapplings in error the truth
as well as comabt wolves....
you avoid questions while heaping accusations on dcon looking to establish righteousness over him
"aha! .... gotcha"
well
do you
or do you not think that a man is justified by works or the law?
this thread was made to give glory to God
to praise Jesus for His sacrifice
and to show sapplings in error the truth
as well as comabt wolves....
It is scripture....the bible states both....go study the bible then come mouth......until then....your just grasping at straws.....funny thing...the Pharisees and Lawyers had the same problem....they absolutely could not admit error and rode their high horse straight to the pit while refusing to acknowledge their sin and or faulty stance......tragically I might add......!
It is scripture and if you are too dense to understand that deeds and works of the law are one and the same then leave and quit bloviating your drivel...........and listen PAL.....if you are going to keep attacking me and or engage me get your facts straight...all you are doing is making yourself look foolish!
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Short Definition: work, labor, action, deed
Definition: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
ergon: work
Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τόPart of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Short Definition: work, labor, action, deed
Definition: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
L
ok you still claim the below to be scripture.
Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law.
Now please show us the BIBLE version where you obtained this exact scripture.
It does not matter if words mean the same thing. The Bible does not permit it's paraphrasing. If you cannot show us the exact scripture within the Bible then it is NOT scripture.
Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law.
Now please show us the BIBLE version where you obtained this exact scripture.
It does not matter if words mean the same thing. The Bible does not permit it's paraphrasing. If you cannot show us the exact scripture within the Bible then it is NOT scripture.
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Now we are seeing what happens when one has backed himself into a corner. He makes a million excuses, but will not answer the questions. You know you are not allowed to change scripture dc, even in the slightest, but that is exactly what you are attempting to do here.
Please show us the BIBLE where you got that scripture from. OR you can be truthful and admit it is not scripture.
Please show us the BIBLE where you got that scripture from. OR you can be truthful and admit it is not scripture.
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Look, you have no idea what you are talking about here. I happen to agree completely with the meaning of that scripture. I am not opposing the scripture here at all. What I am opposing is one altering it and then claiming his alteration to be scripture. I trust the true scripture just fine. The problem is that a man has altered it and still claims his words to be scripture. That is not allowed, but he refuses to admit the mistake of what he has done. And not only has he refused to admit his mistake in that sense, but he also has refused to admit his mistake in calling one a deceiver that is not any deceiver. Two mistakes he is refusing to admit, yet claims he is an honest man.
N
you are conflating a stand alone statement
with another stand alone statement
if i had said on one post i bring scripture
and on another post
i dont have my own righteousness of the law
but the righteousness of Christ by faith
(which is true)
but im not exactly quoting scripture
im still speaking biblical truths
and i have not lied....
you however
are supposedly 93 years old
and wrongly attacking a brother in Christ
you have also falsely accused me of making a false accusation
.....
with another stand alone statement
if i had said on one post i bring scripture
and on another post
i dont have my own righteousness of the law
but the righteousness of Christ by faith
(which is true)
but im not exactly quoting scripture
im still speaking biblical truths
and i have not lied....
you however
are supposedly 93 years old
and wrongly attacking a brother in Christ
you have also falsely accused me of making a false accusation
.....
N
where in the post you quoted did he specifically say he was quoting a specific verse?
he didnt...
it was a stand alone statement
he often will post actual verses
and sometimes he fires from the hip
division shouldnt be our goal here
i know youre newer
and im sorry if i came off as rude
but there are MANY false gospel pushers here
who believe being saved by grace through faith is secondary
to having saving works
and works keeping them saved....
this is not biblical
and based on the fact you were going after a brother in Christ over something so trivial and ridiculous
you smelled of the same smell i see from these false teachers
now i dont know if youre a brother or not...
but i have no intention of being rude
or winning a debate
but i stand for truth
and it is God that saves
not man nor his deeds
or his works
the righteousness of Jesus is how any will be seen as spotless
and perfection is what is required
all of us have fallen short of perfection
so our works CAN NOT and WILL NOT save us
he didnt...
it was a stand alone statement
he often will post actual verses
and sometimes he fires from the hip
division shouldnt be our goal here
i know youre newer
and im sorry if i came off as rude
but there are MANY false gospel pushers here
who believe being saved by grace through faith is secondary
to having saving works
and works keeping them saved....
this is not biblical
and based on the fact you were going after a brother in Christ over something so trivial and ridiculous
you smelled of the same smell i see from these false teachers
now i dont know if youre a brother or not...
but i have no intention of being rude
or winning a debate
but i stand for truth
and it is God that saves
not man nor his deeds
or his works
the righteousness of Jesus is how any will be seen as spotless
and perfection is what is required
all of us have fallen short of perfection
so our works CAN NOT and WILL NOT save us
L
Do you notice that after dc has made an error in changing a verse that he will not admit his error and has instead left ? Do you also see that he is not concerned at all at calling one a deceiver that is not a deceiver ? How can these be the actions of an honest man ? If he truly is honest, and I hope that he is, then let him come back and admit to these mistakes so we can move forward in a discussion regarding works.