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Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?
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lol Naw you have Heard Me confess Jesus is the Christ, THE SON of the Living God. as the Bible teaches 
ans Let Me say it this way, about a Month ago you said to Me on this site " your a liar i believe Jesus teachings i dont disagree with even One"
Now Im saying that Jesus word, is Not seperate from His sacrifice, and if someone is saying " the cross elimiunates Gods Word" its a Herecy 100 percent, and is of satans forked tongue. that is what im saying very clearly.
Now Back to the relevant subject. " when we ask forgiveness it ignores the " finished work of the cross" <<<< thats Mans idea this is the proof of that to you, wise Mr Mcgee, ( actually Mean that bro) Hopefully you might see My point Here. Now consider this Jesus, who you are clear " IS GOD" who is the Only One who can ever give salvation, the Only One who its impossible for Him to Not be right, who says specifically " My WORDS will never Pass away"
He says this
Matthew 6 : After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11Give us this day our daily bread.12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Heres My question to you.......Am I wrong to agree 100 Percent with Jesus the Lord? or should i try to twist the Bible, to make it say what it doesnt? should i say hmmmm " did God really say. when I pray ask forgiveness? did God really say " if i forgive others,He will forgive Me. if i do not, Niether will He?"
On what Planet, are Christians supposed to disregard Jesus Christs teachings, which HE SAYS Keep them do not ever part from them, i will send the spirit to remind you of them...lol come on brother. Have you bought into the gog ? i believe you trust Jesus. think about what He said about salvation, Only He has the authoruity to offer it. so do we need to ask forgiveness when we sin even though Jesus died? do we Need to Believe what He say about forgiveness....Being He said it would be preached in all the world, and then the end would come?
watch out for any method that tries to get you to see Jesus as Not right regarding salvation. the fruit Looked really delicious and seemed good for food......it didnt Lead to life though. On the Other Hand, what God said, turned Out to Be the truth" adam died and so did all Mankind. go with the One God sent. agrre with Jesus and you cant go wrong thats a fact.
ans Let Me say it this way, about a Month ago you said to Me on this site " your a liar i believe Jesus teachings i dont disagree with even One"
Now Im saying that Jesus word, is Not seperate from His sacrifice, and if someone is saying " the cross elimiunates Gods Word" its a Herecy 100 percent, and is of satans forked tongue. that is what im saying very clearly.
Now Back to the relevant subject. " when we ask forgiveness it ignores the " finished work of the cross" <<<< thats Mans idea this is the proof of that to you, wise Mr Mcgee, ( actually Mean that bro) Hopefully you might see My point Here. Now consider this Jesus, who you are clear " IS GOD" who is the Only One who can ever give salvation, the Only One who its impossible for Him to Not be right, who says specifically " My WORDS will never Pass away"
He says this
Matthew 6 : After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11Give us this day our daily bread.12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Heres My question to you.......Am I wrong to agree 100 Percent with Jesus the Lord? or should i try to twist the Bible, to make it say what it doesnt? should i say hmmmm " did God really say. when I pray ask forgiveness? did God really say " if i forgive others,He will forgive Me. if i do not, Niether will He?"
On what Planet, are Christians supposed to disregard Jesus Christs teachings, which HE SAYS Keep them do not ever part from them, i will send the spirit to remind you of them...lol come on brother. Have you bought into the gog ? i believe you trust Jesus. think about what He said about salvation, Only He has the authoruity to offer it. so do we need to ask forgiveness when we sin even though Jesus died? do we Need to Believe what He say about forgiveness....Being He said it would be preached in all the world, and then the end would come?
watch out for any method that tries to get you to see Jesus as Not right regarding salvation. the fruit Looked really delicious and seemed good for food......it didnt Lead to life though. On the Other Hand, what God said, turned Out to Be the truth" adam died and so did all Mankind. go with the One God sent. agrre with Jesus and you cant go wrong thats a fact.
Jesus is the word
and came as God in the flesh
secondly even though ben has touched on this
i will too
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john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day
what Jesus taught ^^^^^^
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the principal youre missing
vvvvv
matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
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Jesus was telling this man how to be perfect
this man believed his works regarding the commandments were perfect (including loving his neighbor as himself)
Jesus is saying ohhhhh is that so?
then give up all your things and follow me
(to expose where this mans heart really was.... it is not evil to have possessions)
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
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again same principal
Luke 10
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
(again a man looking to be justified by works)
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
(this man believes he actually does this fully)
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
(Jesus says knowing this man is self righteous yaaa thats all you need then if you are correct)
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
(as if he truely does this knowing Jesus does not believe him asks ohhh who is my neighbor maybe i am wrong mockingly)
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
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that amount of money
as well as offering for excess was .... a lot of money at that time....
this exposes that man who believed he was doing these things is actually wrong......
he does not love his enemy as himself as he ought to in order to be perfect
let alone his literal neighbor....
people try to take and mix up
reproof
instruction for righteousness
the law
and works
and try to say a man needs more than grace and faith to be saved (which isnt true)
by the way
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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Whoever's saying that....
What I am saying is why would a born again believer ever even say that we can sin and don't need to even worry about asking for forgiveness? I mean really, what would cause someone to not want to ask for forgiveness?
Now if this isn't what you all are talking about then forgive me...but like I said in my first post God does chastise us for doing wrong and being unrepentant.
If my child does something wrong, but is truly sorrowful for it and asks for forgiveness then I'm going to go a lot easier on that child than if he just said oh well and went about his business without having any remorse for it.
So should we ask forgiveness or not? And why would anyone not?
What I am saying is why would a born again believer ever even say that we can sin and don't need to even worry about asking for forgiveness? I mean really, what would cause someone to not want to ask for forgiveness?
Now if this isn't what you all are talking about then forgive me...but like I said in my first post God does chastise us for doing wrong and being unrepentant.
If my child does something wrong, but is truly sorrowful for it and asks for forgiveness then I'm going to go a lot easier on that child than if he just said oh well and went about his business without having any remorse for it.
So should we ask forgiveness or not? And why would anyone not?
True Confession.
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much (James 5:16).
When the Bible talks about confession, many only relate to it in terms of confession of sin, but confession is much more than that. Confession means to speak the same thing with GOD in consent; it derives from the Greek word “homologia”; it’s a principle in the kingdom of GOD that begins with your salvation as a Child of GOD.
You couldn’t have been saved without confession; not the confession of your sins, but the affirmation of the LORDSHIP OF JESUS over your life. Romans 10:9-10 says, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation” This is the true confession that catapults you into salvation.
The only time you confess something you did wrong is after you’re become a Christian and have received eternal life. When you do something wrong, you talk to the LORD about it and you’re cleansed. Even though you talk to GOD, you don’t really confess your sins, because HE didn’t tell us to confess our sins to HIM; HE knows already. You only confess or acknowledge your faults to your brothers and/or sisters whom you’ve offended. That’s what we read in the opening verse above.
Some might ask, “How about 1 John 1:9 that says, “If we confess our sins, HE is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness?” For some people, they believe this means we’re always sinning, we’re in a perpetual state of sin and confession; but that’s not true; it means, if we acknowledge our sins, HE blots them out. 1 John 2:1 says, “... if any man sin, we have an advocate with the FATHER, JESUS CHRIST the Righteous.” Notice it doesn’t say, “When any man sin,” but if any man sin,” letting you know that sin isn’t perpetual.
Moreover, the Bible says, “For sin shall not have dominion over you...(Romans 6:14). Hallelujah!
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much (James 5:16).
When the Bible talks about confession, many only relate to it in terms of confession of sin, but confession is much more than that. Confession means to speak the same thing with GOD in consent; it derives from the Greek word “homologia”; it’s a principle in the kingdom of GOD that begins with your salvation as a Child of GOD.
You couldn’t have been saved without confession; not the confession of your sins, but the affirmation of the LORDSHIP OF JESUS over your life. Romans 10:9-10 says, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation” This is the true confession that catapults you into salvation.
The only time you confess something you did wrong is after you’re become a Christian and have received eternal life. When you do something wrong, you talk to the LORD about it and you’re cleansed. Even though you talk to GOD, you don’t really confess your sins, because HE didn’t tell us to confess our sins to HIM; HE knows already. You only confess or acknowledge your faults to your brothers and/or sisters whom you’ve offended. That’s what we read in the opening verse above.
Some might ask, “How about 1 John 1:9 that says, “If we confess our sins, HE is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness?” For some people, they believe this means we’re always sinning, we’re in a perpetual state of sin and confession; but that’s not true; it means, if we acknowledge our sins, HE blots them out. 1 John 2:1 says, “... if any man sin, we have an advocate with the FATHER, JESUS CHRIST the Righteous.” Notice it doesn’t say, “When any man sin,” but if any man sin,” letting you know that sin isn’t perpetual.
Moreover, the Bible says, “For sin shall not have dominion over you...(Romans 6:14). Hallelujah!
I brought up conscience because it is the guide by which we know whether we need to deal with some sin in our lives.
Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
If we sin be are made aware by our conscience of offense toward God.
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another...
The conscience bears witness.
So, instead of judging ourselves, or one another, as we suppose we ought according to the letter of the law, instead we simply walk in faith of Jesus and if our conscience accuse us then we know to deal with a matter.
1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Above shows that to deal with a matter of conscience we need the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin.
But, notice that the blood cleanses us of all sin when we walk in the light, as Jesus is in the light. This cleansing naturally occurs once we are returned to fellowship.
It is the light of God’s word that corrects us.
So, I would counsel a man with a defiled conscience to hear the word of God as needed concerning the sin.
I pointed to the Isaiah scripture about reasoning with God to show how God reasons contrary to man’s reasoning. For, notice that God simply reveals that sin is cleansed according to the promise of God’s power and willingness to do so.
That is, we are cleansed by the blood of Jesus as quickly as we confess the truth of God’s word.
So, counsel in such matters of conscience requires that we hear and do what God is saying.
Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
If we sin be are made aware by our conscience of offense toward God.
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another...
The conscience bears witness.
So, instead of judging ourselves, or one another, as we suppose we ought according to the letter of the law, instead we simply walk in faith of Jesus and if our conscience accuse us then we know to deal with a matter.
1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Above shows that to deal with a matter of conscience we need the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin.
But, notice that the blood cleanses us of all sin when we walk in the light, as Jesus is in the light. This cleansing naturally occurs once we are returned to fellowship.
It is the light of God’s word that corrects us.
So, I would counsel a man with a defiled conscience to hear the word of God as needed concerning the sin.
I pointed to the Isaiah scripture about reasoning with God to show how God reasons contrary to man’s reasoning. For, notice that God simply reveals that sin is cleansed according to the promise of God’s power and willingness to do so.
That is, we are cleansed by the blood of Jesus as quickly as we confess the truth of God’s word.
So, counsel in such matters of conscience requires that we hear and do what God is saying.
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I was reading Susanna Wesley advice on raising kids (she had 19) and she made a policy that if they confessed,she didn't punish them because she valued honesty.
I think God says if we judge ourselves it's better than if we seek to hide our sins.
You can change "or" to "and" if you like.
.I know that the consequences of lying is a lot higher than the consequences of the initial sin.
I guess it's compounding one's sinful actions to deny responsibility and learn to overcome.
I think God says if we judge ourselves it's better than if we seek to hide our sins.
You can change "or" to "and" if you like.
.I know that the consequences of lying is a lot higher than the consequences of the initial sin.
I guess it's compounding one's sinful actions to deny responsibility and learn to overcome.
you have serious issue with reading . Please show me where I said one loses thier salvation? LOL . You can't help your self. You got to circle your wagon around one typic LOL. You see the problem is today many half baked cakes who sin and do so willfully and thinks God just winks at it
He He does not. So to make one feel beter about what they do and know it is sin they strike up the ole lose your salvation skabula . that dog won't hunt. If you who are saved sin and know it is sin and do not confess That is between you and God . But if you sin and the church elders knmow it you who are spirtual are to Restore such a one . If he dose not repent , for the sake of those others you turn him over to the Lord.
This is why so many have issue with Church today because someone tried to restore them and they knew better. SO they have risen to the level of not needing to be forgiven because I am already. LOL the most prideful comment ever. and no humbleness either.
He He does not. So to make one feel beter about what they do and know it is sin they strike up the ole lose your salvation skabula . that dog won't hunt. If you who are saved sin and know it is sin and do not confess That is between you and God . But if you sin and the church elders knmow it you who are spirtual are to Restore such a one . If he dose not repent , for the sake of those others you turn him over to the Lord.
This is why so many have issue with Church today because someone tried to restore them and they knew better. SO they have risen to the level of not needing to be forgiven because I am already. LOL the most prideful comment ever. and no humbleness either.