Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?
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Luke 24
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
The gospel of grace seemed as an idle tale to the disciples. And this was shortly after Christ's resurrection.
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
The gospel of grace seemed as an idle tale to the disciples. And this was shortly after Christ's resurrection.
Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Do you really believe the twelve disciples went around preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, our gospel message, and they had no clue about what they were even preaching? Their message was to proclaim the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Do you go around proclaiming these words as the gospel message? Why didn't they go to the Gentiles and Samaritans with this message?
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Do you really believe the twelve disciples went around preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, our gospel message, and they had no clue about what they were even preaching? Their message was to proclaim the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Do you go around proclaiming these words as the gospel message? Why didn't they go to the Gentiles and Samaritans with this message?
"BELIEVED" WHAT?
Did you BELIEVE Jesus said "John baptized with water *BUT* ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost" (Acts 1:5)?
Did you BELIEVE Jesus said "He that believeth and is [Holy Ghost] baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth NOT shall be DAMNED. AND THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW them that BELIEVE; In MY NAME shall they cast out devils..." (Mark 16:16-17)?
Did you BELIEVE Jesus said "And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord (aka Holy Spirit) working with them, and CONFIRMING the word with SIGNS FOLLOWING" (Mark 16:20)?
Did you BELIEVE Jesus said "And you hath HE *QUICKENED* who were dead in your trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1)?
Did you BELIEVE that your spirit needs to be "born again" (John 3:5-7) by the "QUICKENING" of HIS Spirit?
Did you BELIEVE Jesus said "...LIKE AS Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father..." (Romans 6:4) that we need to be also?
Did you BELIEVE Jesus said "But if the Spirit of Him that RAISED UP Christ from the dead dwell in you, HE that RAISED UP Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN your mortal bodies by HIS SPIRIT that dwelleth in you" (Romans 8:11).
Did you BELIEVE or did you only BELIEVE what *YOU* wanted to BELIEVE to be "Sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise" (Ephesians 1:13)?
ONE HAS TO "BELIEVE" ALL OF WHAT JESUS SAID TO "BELIEVE ON HIM!"
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You're saying they are the same, and yet, the disciples had no clue about Christ's death, burial and resurrection for sins as Paul stated was our gospel in 1 Cor. 15:3-4. You're saying, even the disciples had no clue about this message, they went about preaching this message. This makes no sense.
The disciples: "People listen up. Christ will be dying on the cross, be buried and rise again the third day. Trust in this message for the forgiveness of your sins. We don't actually believe this, but Jesus commanded us to preach it anyway."
The disciples: "People listen up. Christ will be dying on the cross, be buried and rise again the third day. Trust in this message for the forgiveness of your sins. We don't actually believe this, but Jesus commanded us to preach it anyway."
"...THE DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS FOR SINS" *IS* THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST WHICH IS "THE GOSPEL OF SPIRIT" IN WHICH JESUS MADE THE "HOLY GHOST" AVAILABLE TO "ALL" MEN!
WE DON'T JUST SAY "I HAVE "SAVING FAITH" AND "I'M SEALED WITH THAT HOLY PROMISE" WE HAVE TO BE "BORN AGAIN" BY THE "QUICKENING" OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT [BAPTISM] WHICH JESUS SAID "SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW" (MARK 16:17) AND "SPIRITUAL GIFTS" ARE GIVEN (I CORINTHIANS 12:7-10)! WE HAVE TO HAVE "CONFORMATION" AS JESUS SAID (MARK 16:20) THAT WE ARE "BORN AGAIN" SO WE CAN "BE WITNESSES UNTO HIM" (ACTS 1:8) FOR THE WORLD TO SEE "WE ARE DIFFERENT" BECAUSE WE SERVE "THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD!"
JESUS PROMISED US "POWER" (ACTS 1:8) AND THERE IS NO "POWER" IN A BELIEF SUCH AS YOURS!
WE DON'T JUST SAY "I HAVE "SAVING FAITH" AND "I'M SEALED WITH THAT HOLY PROMISE" WE HAVE TO BE "BORN AGAIN" BY THE "QUICKENING" OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT [BAPTISM] WHICH JESUS SAID "SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW" (MARK 16:17) AND "SPIRITUAL GIFTS" ARE GIVEN (I CORINTHIANS 12:7-10)! WE HAVE TO HAVE "CONFORMATION" AS JESUS SAID (MARK 16:20) THAT WE ARE "BORN AGAIN" SO WE CAN "BE WITNESSES UNTO HIM" (ACTS 1:8) FOR THE WORLD TO SEE "WE ARE DIFFERENT" BECAUSE WE SERVE "THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD!"
JESUS PROMISED US "POWER" (ACTS 1:8) AND THERE IS NO "POWER" IN A BELIEF SUCH AS YOURS!
"...THE DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS FOR SINS" *IS* THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST WHICH IS "THE GOSPEL OF SPIRIT" IN WHICH JESUS MADE THE "HOLY GHOST" AVAILABLE TO "ALL" MEN!
WE DON'T JUST SAY "I HAVE "SAVING FAITH" AND "I'M SEALED WITH THAT HOLY PROMISE" WE HAVE TO BE "BORN AGAIN" BY THE "QUICKENING" OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT [BAPTISM] WHICH JESUS SAID "SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW" (MARK 16:17) AND "SPIRITUAL GIFTS" ARE GIVEN (I CORINTHIANS 12:7-10)! WE HAVE TO HAVE "CONFORMATION" AS JESUS SAID (MARK 16:20) THAT WE ARE "BORN AGAIN" SO WE CAN "BE WITNESSES UNTO HIM" (ACTS 1:8) FOR THE WORLD TO SEE "WE ARE DIFFERENT" BECAUSE WE SERVE "THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD!"
JESUS PROMISED US "POWER" (ACTS 1:8) AND THERE IS NO "POWER" IN A BELIEF SUCH AS YOURS!
WE DON'T JUST SAY "I HAVE "SAVING FAITH" AND "I'M SEALED WITH THAT HOLY PROMISE" WE HAVE TO BE "BORN AGAIN" BY THE "QUICKENING" OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT [BAPTISM] WHICH JESUS SAID "SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW" (MARK 16:17) AND "SPIRITUAL GIFTS" ARE GIVEN (I CORINTHIANS 12:7-10)! WE HAVE TO HAVE "CONFORMATION" AS JESUS SAID (MARK 16:20) THAT WE ARE "BORN AGAIN" SO WE CAN "BE WITNESSES UNTO HIM" (ACTS 1:8) FOR THE WORLD TO SEE "WE ARE DIFFERENT" BECAUSE WE SERVE "THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD!"
JESUS PROMISED US "POWER" (ACTS 1:8) AND THERE IS NO "POWER" IN A BELIEF SUCH AS YOURS!
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I have studied this topic for many years. I have even read scofields notes. and 90% of the things people say about him and what I and many others believe is wrong.
People like John are in the minority. I am not sure what you were taught.. so I can not comment on what you were taught, just ask you not to place us all in the same mold.
Again I would ask which scholars.
Dispensationalism is not a rigid thing, it is an attempt to put history into parts, we do it in our history books. (IE the age of innocence is the age when adam and eve walked free from sin) That is all it is, Some people have added things to it, and some people make it ridged (if you do not believe your not saved, yet I have been told by a few Amil believers in here I am not saved because I believe in dispensationalism so it goes both ways)
But to say it is wrong, well we would need to talk about this.
I already explained one division, the age of innocence Do you disagree with that division? (ps, it ended when Adam and eve sinned or at the fall)
People like John are in the minority. I am not sure what you were taught.. so I can not comment on what you were taught, just ask you not to place us all in the same mold.
Again I would ask which scholars.
Dispensationalism is not a rigid thing, it is an attempt to put history into parts, we do it in our history books. (IE the age of innocence is the age when adam and eve walked free from sin) That is all it is, Some people have added things to it, and some people make it ridged (if you do not believe your not saved, yet I have been told by a few Amil believers in here I am not saved because I believe in dispensationalism so it goes both ways)
But to say it is wrong, well we would need to talk about this.
I already explained one division, the age of innocence Do you disagree with that division? (ps, it ended when Adam and eve sinned or at the fall)
YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN "IGNORE" WHAT JESUS SAID AND ARE "SAVED?"
JESUS SAID IT'S TO BE DONE ONE WAY BUT YOU SAY ANOTHER BUT YOU ARE "SAVED?"
"VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, HE THAT ENTERETH NOT BY "THE DOOR" INTO THE SHEEPFOLD, BUT CLIMBETH UP SOME OTHER WAY, THE SAME IS A THIEF AND A ROBBER."
BUT YOU ARE "SAVED?"
JESUS SAID IT'S TO BE DONE ONE WAY BUT YOU SAY ANOTHER BUT YOU ARE "SAVED?"
"VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, HE THAT ENTERETH NOT BY "THE DOOR" INTO THE SHEEPFOLD, BUT CLIMBETH UP SOME OTHER WAY, THE SAME IS A THIEF AND A ROBBER."
BUT YOU ARE "SAVED?"
YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN "IGNORE" WHAT JESUS SAID AND ARE "SAVED?"
JESUS SAID IT'S TO BE DONE ONE WAY BUT YOU SAY ANOTHER BUT YOU ARE "SAVED?"
"VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, HE THAT ENTERETH NOT BY "THE DOOR" INTO THE SHEEPFOLD, BUT CLIMBETH UP SOME OTHER WAY, THE SAME IS A THIEF AND A ROBBER."
BUT YOU ARE "SAVED?"
JESUS SAID IT'S TO BE DONE ONE WAY BUT YOU SAY ANOTHER BUT YOU ARE "SAVED?"
"VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, HE THAT ENTERETH NOT BY "THE DOOR" INTO THE SHEEPFOLD, BUT CLIMBETH UP SOME OTHER WAY, THE SAME IS A THIEF AND A ROBBER."
BUT YOU ARE "SAVED?"
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Before we go any further, let me ask you whether the Bible itself presents a rigid distinction between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant? If you agree that it does, then the idea comes from the Bible itself.
There is nothing "rigid" about recognizing covenants and dispensations, and anyone who goes through the Bible from Genesis to Revelation will note that God has dealt with humanity at different times in different ways. The student of Scripture will also note that God made several covenants throughout human history (in particular the history of the Hebrews and the Israelites).
Thus we have God's covenants with:
1. Noah (which covers one dispensation)
2. Abraham -- reiterated to Isaac and Jacob (which covers another dispensation)
3. Israel (Old Covenant) (dispensation of the Law)
4. Israel (New Covenant) which extends to the Church (dispensation of Grace)
5. And then we have the "dispensation of the fulness of times" (which extends into eternity)
There is nothing "rigid" about recognizing covenants and dispensations, and anyone who goes through the Bible from Genesis to Revelation will note that God has dealt with humanity at different times in different ways. The student of Scripture will also note that God made several covenants throughout human history (in particular the history of the Hebrews and the Israelites).
Thus we have God's covenants with:
1. Noah (which covers one dispensation)
2. Abraham -- reiterated to Isaac and Jacob (which covers another dispensation)
3. Israel (Old Covenant) (dispensation of the Law)
4. Israel (New Covenant) which extends to the Church (dispensation of Grace)
5. And then we have the "dispensation of the fulness of times" (which extends into eternity)
Firstly you mock at the Scripture quoted below and then you question the salvation of this poster? Does that not show that it is not God who sent you here but the Adversary? Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is the very basis of salvation, but you have just mocked that. Shame on you.
Originally Posted by John146
Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Originally Posted by John146
Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Firstly you mock at the Scripture quoted below and then you question the salvation of this poster? Does that not show that it is not God who sent you here but the Adversary? Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is the very basis of salvation, but you have just mocked that. Shame on you.
Originally Posted by John146
Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Originally Posted by John146
Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
They had "faith" and "believed" yet they "OBEYED" with "prayer and supplication" and "WAITED" for the Holy Spirit baptism to come! But you modern day Christians don't go by the examples given in Scripture you just pick out one verse you like that's easy for you and say "I'm saved."
Acts 2:42 "And they continued in the apostles doctrine." They FOLLOWED the examples! Not you all! You have "Saving faith!" That's all YOU need. If you just believe and have faith "you're saved!" You think?
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If you read 1Corinthians 15, you'll see quite clearly thar Paul said believing the gospel was what saved the Corinthians he was talking to, and by extension-everyone else who would believe that gospel. Why, then, do you seem to be questioning the salvation of others? Your time might be better spent examining your own self, for you seem angry and judgmental.