Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

[SovereignGrace]

It needs to be buried in the truth and be refuted. Somewhat blasphemous his mockery of Jesus paying for our sins by saying, "thank you Lord for taking that one again for me " Indeed, we should be grateful. Sin confession for forgiveness on the other hand doesn't even begin to acknowledge the Son of God, His work and ministry. It doesn't recognize Him as mediator and High Priest. It is like seeking another sacrifice, going backwards, and as scripture says, "trampling underfoot the Son of God."

When you sin, you repent, right?

 

[BillG]

So, you no longer sin?

Or, do you not feel the need to repent when you sin?

Which is it?

It can’t be both.

It appears you’re teetering on sinless perfection.

I ask this to get further explanation from you.

Thanks a bushel.

Raise you a shequel

 

[SovereignGrace]

Repentance is not like an inoculation, where you go get a shot and that’s the end of it. We are being progressively sanctified, but not glorified while in this physical body. We have not, and never will, achieve sinless perfection in this fleshly frame.

So, are we sanctified at salvation, or is sanctification a life long process? Yes!

 

[SovereignGrace]

There are so many reasons why sin confession for the sake of forgiveness is problematic. It is once again bringing in the ministry of condemnation that was suppose to lead you to Christ, not to more condemnation. It is a fear based construct, of sinning and then trying to obtain forgiveness (to avoid a penalty, for some death). How could we possibly place ourselves or others under this yoke of bondage? Do or die, this is the premise. The Gospel on the other hand is "done, now live."

Soooo, when you sin, do you repent?

#stillwaiting

 

[1ofthem]

Soooo, when you sin, do you repent?

#stillwaiting

That's what I've been wondering this whole time, but can't get a straight answer from anyone... for some reason????

 

[CS1]

CS1, such beliefs are archaic. We examine ourselves to see if we rightly understand Christ and His sacrifice (what His flesh and blood represent), not for sin in our lives. Ironically, you would be taking Communion unworthily by not acknowledging the forgiveness of sin that is yours through His blood. Instead you'd rather place your faith in the practice of sin confession instead of the blood of Jesus (that gave you the remission of your sins).

Repentance is a life long pursuit as we continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. As the Lord continues to sanctify us, change us, and mold us into the image of Christ. You associate repentance with forgiveness, but must understand that our repentance now stems from our forgiveness. We are now righteous, therefore we walk righteously. We are dead to sin and alive unto God (we should reckon ourselves).

Archaic= very old or old-fashioned.hmm I wonder if they say that about Morality too?


you are saying that Paul’s instruction concerning the Lord Supper is to only understand Christ's Sacrifice? then how does one eat and drink damnation ? And why are some dying when they eat unworthily?

No one said to put our trust in the practice of sin confession instead of the blood of Jesus (that gave you the remission of your sins). That is your assumption. Rom chpater 10: 9-10 say to confess with your mouth and Believe in your heart.

we over come by the Blood of the lamb and the word of our testamony.

Out of the heart the mouth Speaks it is Both the Holy Spirit gives you the ability to confess to be saved.
NO I do not associate Repenting with forgiveness for one Forgiveness is a Noun and repent is a verb. the Holy Spirit reveals to you your need to self-examine and any sin you have done or you know you have done so you can repent and be forgiven .

No "CS1", beliefs are not archaic, they are the word of God . Here is the Bottom line Jesus is the Supreme Authority in all matters pertaining to the Word of God. I know with some that is old fastion too. We are to Follow HIs example . And anything you do that is not Christ like guess what that is sin.

anything not done in faith is sin . faulty assumption you have made.



God commands us to confess our sins as we sin (1 John 1:9). This command not only applies to our initial justification, but, as the context of 1 John makes clear, confession is ongoing for Christians:
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves if we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar . . . but if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins (1 John 1:8–10).
Third, God not only commands us to confess our sins, but also promises to forgive us in the future and, in a real sense, hinges our forgiveness on whether we forgive others, after we have presumably been justified (Matt. 6:14; 18:15–35; 1 John 1:9; James 5:15).
we are not asking for Re-Justification we are asking to be forgiven for missing the mark and disobey the Living God and HE knows that I sinned but it should cause one to seek HIS forgiveness and have faith HE did . this is the issue with many today they have no balance.

then those avoid the question asked becvause the sin they were asked if they did will they ask for giveness . i ASKED if you commit adultery as a christian do you have to ask forgiveness many here dodged the question why? " Oh why does it have to be such an depraved sin ? why can you answer it?

 

[SovereignGrace]

That's what I've been wondering this whole time, but can't get a straight answer from anyone... for some reason????

Ppl ain’t thinking their theology through to its logical conclusion here.

 

[Lewiz]

I thought the above for remission of sins that are past was referring to the sins of the OT saints who lived before Jesus and were under the sacrificial legal system.

They were only covered until Jesus made the one and only perfect sacrifice by his death on the cross.

You're correct.

Hebrews 10:12-14
12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

V14
New International Version
For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

New Living Translation
For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy.

English Standard Version
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Berean Study Bible
because by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are sanctified.

Berean Literal Bible
For by one offering, He has perfected for all time those being sanctified.

There's something overlooked by many as they skim over this verse. Do you know what it is?

"he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified."

The main point is God is not perfecting those who don't care about living the sanctified life. Those fall away.

God has perfected only those who are being sanctified. His faithfulness remains to those who press on in faith.

Those walking in sanctification.

Those living now by faith, & not those making a one-time confession & thinking that's gonna cut it.

Thanks a bunch for using that scripture, for you put me back in remembrance of it.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

For some reason if you look at the post quote it's attributed to you, yet it's my qoute you are responding to.

Yet my response was based on you saying "Forgiveness is relational"

I think we are on the same page.

I would say though that I do not think we do it to receive forgiveness as you say in post 468

I would say that it's to restore the relationship (from our side).

Oh ok I have just had a thought.

Do you say "To receive forgiveness" means to thank God we are forgiven and not confess in order to be forgiven?
Therefore be set free from the guilt and condemnation of sin?

Look, I just tell God I'm sorry, thank him for forgiving me and go from there - I will admit sometimes I do say - "forgive me", other times I don't . . . earlier someone said that 1 John 1 was written to unbelievers - John said "we" and I don't agree that he would include himself in with unbelievers. 1 John is talking about fellowship with the Father and the Son and YES, we should all be walking in the light as he is light but we don't always do that - if we have sin in our lives, wouldn't that be considered "darkness"? I think so. So if we confess our sins - why confess them? He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness - which is SIN. When we sin we are not walking by the Spirit, i.e. lead by the Spirit - at that moment we are walking by the flesh, i.e. letting our flesh rule -

 

[Deade]

This is the same God that David served. This is the God that promises us our sins are paid for. So let’s see how we should look at this subject. God said:
Isa. 43:25: “I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.”

Even though we are forgiven, we must keep aware of our sinful nature. David was reproached by the prophet Nathan after he had Uriah killed so he could have his wife. Here is David’s repentant attitude:

Create in Me a Clean Heart, O God​

Psalms 51:1-3: “To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.”

Psalms 51:9-12: “Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.”

David knew he was forgiven but he saw his own sinful ways as he approached God. He said his sin was ever before him. David had a handle on his fleshly ways. He knew he abused his power as a king and God would hold him accountable. Evil befell his kingdom in his old age from within his own family. I believe that is how David was judged for his sin.

We do need to draw a line. Everything needs balance. We can be aware of our sin nature without it becoming a yoke of bondage. The more we learn holiness the better we will apply it to our lives. Visible growth is the key.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When you sin, don’t you ask God to forgive you?

No, I THANK God for forgiving me of (named sin) and pray he helps me overcome in the future.

why would I ask hin to forgive a sin he already STATES he forgave?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When you sin, you repent, right?

why would I repent (change my mind) about a sin I already admitted was a sin in the first place?

No. I CONFESS

 

[SovereignGrace]

[FONT=&quot]This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.[1 John 1:5-10]


[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In this passage, John is expressing, not that we are in sinless perfection, but that we do not practice sin, live in a continual state of sin, as we did per-conversion.


the one who practices sin is of the devil;[1 John 3:8a]

This confirms what John was espousing.

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[eternally-gratefull]

Repentance is not like an inoculation, where you go get a shot and that’s the end of it. We are being progressively sanctified, but not glorified while in this physical body. We have not, and never will, achieve sinless perfection in this fleshly frame.

So, are we sanctified at salvation, or is sanctification a life long process? Yes!

I agree with everything here, except the word repent


repent means to change ones mind. I can not change my mind about the same sin over and over and over (If I struggle with that sin) it would get to the point I would be mocking god...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's what I've been wondering this whole time, but can't get a straight answer from anyone... for some reason????

I hope you saw mine.. I have given it a few times, not just today but many times.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Look, I just tell God I'm sorry, thank him for forgiving me and go from there - I will admit sometimes I do say - "forgive me", other times I don't . . . earlier someone said that 1 John 1 was written to unbelievers - John said "we" and I don't agree that he would include himself in with unbelievers. 1 John is talking about fellowship with the Father and the Son and YES, we should all be walking in the light as he is light but we don't always do that - if we have sin in our lives, wouldn't that be considered "darkness"? I think so. So if we confess our sins - why confess them? He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness - which is SIN. When we sin we are not walking by the Spirit, i.e. lead by the Spirit - at that moment we are walking by the flesh, i.e. letting our flesh rule -

Thank you, I can agree with this 100%, And admit, times I have asked God to forgive me, or at the very least, as God how he can forgive me.

And 1 John is not written to unbelievers, who said that? WOWSERS

 

[BenFTW]

Soooo, when you sin, do you repent?

#stillwaiting

What do you mean "still waiting?" Are you not reading the posts? This has been answered all throughout this thread. We do repent. The difference is that we repent having already been forgiven through Christ, where as you guys are preaching that people repent in order to obtain forgiveness (salvation based, and/or relational).

You definitely shouldn't be waiting for an answer, as it has already been provided numerous times.

EG has said that he, himself, confesses his sins to God, but not for forgiveness. It is about being open with the Lord. Acknowledging the sin. Saying sorry is not asking for forgiveness, its apologizing for God having to deal with us. He is so patient. Its like, "Sorry Lord, I did it again. If I've let you down, I know I should be better." Its wanting to be pleasing to God, wanting to walk in holiness. It isn't asking for forgiveness, its asking for God to continue to sanctify you. Praise God.

 

[SovereignGrace]

why would I repent (change my mind) about a sin I already admitted was a sin in the first place?

No. I CONFESS

STRONGS NT 3341: μετάνοια
μετάνοια, μετανοίας, ἡ (μετανοέω), a change of mind: as it appears in one who repents of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done, Hebrews 12:17 on which see εὑρίσκω, 3 ((Thucydides 3, 36, 3); Polybius 4, 66, 7; Plutarch, Peric c. 10; mor., p. 26 a.; τῆςἀδελφοκτονιαςμετάνοια, Josephus, Antiquities 13, 11, 3); especially the change of mind of those who have begun to abhor their errors and misdeeds, and have determined to enter upon a better course of life, so that it embraces both a recognition of sin and sorrow for it and hearty amendment, the tokens and effects of which are good deeds (Lactantius, 6, 24, 6 would have it rendered in Latin byresipiscentia) (A. V.repentance): Matthew 3:8, 11; Luke 3:8, (16 Lachmann); Luke 15:7; Luke 24:47; Acts 26:20; βάπτισμαμετανοίας, a baptism binding its subjects to repentance (Winer's Grammar, § 30, 2 β.), Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; Acts 13:24; Acts 19:4; (ἡεἰς (τόν) Θεόνμετάνοια, Acts 20:21, see μετανοέω, at the end); διδόναιτίνιμετάνοιαν, to give one the ability to repent, or to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; 2 Timothy 2:25; τιναεἰςμετάνοιανκαλεῖν, Luke 5:32, and Rec. in Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17; ἄγειν, Romans 2:4 (Josephus, Antiquities 4, 6, 10 at the end); ἀνακαινίζειν, Hebrews 6:6; χωρῆσαιεἰςμετάνοιαν, to come to the point of repenting, or be brought to repentance, 2 Peter 3:9 (but see χωρέω, 1 at the end); μετάνοιαἀπόνεκρῶνἔργων, that change of mind by which we turn from, desist from, etc. Hebrews 6:1 (Buttmann, 322 (277)); used merely of the improved spiritual state resulting from deep sorrow for sin, 2 Corinthians 7:9f (Sir. 44:16: Wis. 11:24 (23); Wisdom 12:10,19; Or. Man. Prayer of Manasseh 1:7f ((cf. the Sept. edition Tdf. Prolog., p. 112f)); Philo, qued det. pot. insid. § 26 at the beginning; Antoninus 8, 10; (Cebes, tab. 10 at the end).)



To deny the need to repent makes you on very shaky ground.

 

[BenFTW]

STRONGS NT 3341: μετάνοια
μετάνοια, μετανοίας, ἡ (μετανοέω), a change of mind: as it appears in one who repents of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done, Hebrews 12:17 on which see εὑρίσκω, 3 ((Thucydides 3, 36, 3); Polybius 4, 66, 7; Plutarch, Peric c. 10; mor., p. 26 a.; τῆςἀδελφοκτονιαςμετάνοια, Josephus, Antiquities 13, 11, 3); especially the change of mind of those who have begun to abhor their errors and misdeeds, and have determined to enter upon a better course of life, so that it embraces both a recognition of sin and sorrow for it and hearty amendment, the tokens and effects of which are good deeds (Lactantius, 6, 24, 6 would have it rendered in Latin byresipiscentia) (A. V.repentance): Matthew 3:8, 11; Luke 3:8, (16 Lachmann); Luke 15:7; Luke 24:47; Acts 26:20; βάπτισμαμετανοίας, a baptism binding its subjects to repentance (Winer's Grammar, § 30, 2 β.), Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; Acts 13:24; Acts 19:4; (ἡεἰς (τόν) Θεόνμετάνοια, Acts 20:21, see μετανοέω, at the end); διδόναιτίνιμετάνοιαν, to give one the ability to repent, or to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; 2 Timothy 2:25; τιναεἰςμετάνοιανκαλεῖν, Luke 5:32, and Rec. in Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17; ἄγειν, Romans 2:4 (Josephus, Antiquities 4, 6, 10 at the end); ἀνακαινίζειν, Hebrews 6:6; χωρῆσαιεἰςμετάνοιαν, to come to the point of repenting, or be brought to repentance, 2 Peter 3:9 (but see χωρέω, 1 at the end); μετάνοιαἀπόνεκρῶνἔργων, that change of mind by which we turn from, desist from, etc. Hebrews 6:1 (Buttmann, 322 (277)); used merely of the improved spiritual state resulting from deep sorrow for sin, 2 Corinthians 7:9f (Sir. 44:16: Wis. 11:24 (23); Wisdom 12:10,19; Or. Man. Prayer of Manasseh 1:7f ((cf. the Sept. edition Tdf. Prolog., p. 112f)); Philo, qued det. pot. insid. § 26 at the beginning; Antoninus 8, 10; (Cebes, tab. 10 at the end).)



To deny the need to repent makes you on very shaky ground.

No one is saying to not repent. Repentance is not asking God for forgiveness when He has already paid the price for your sin. Repentance is a renewing of the mind that leads to a change in action by the grace and sanctification of God.

 

[Lewiz]

What about the sins that we struggle with and find difficult to overcome?

The one thing I see different in you is you ask proper questions that need to be answered & not searching for weaknesses like others do.

Everyone who presses on in faith will make it, for it's their heart's desire to be with Jesus, as well as to be free from the flesh that plagues us.

2Cor 12
9But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

It's to those His grace will cover, not those who sin trying to take advantage of His grace.

I hope that answers your question.