Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

[Lewiz]

All I can say is this, Maybe you have not experienced Gods love Gods true forgiveness? How dare you attack what I have experienced in my life and witnessed in so many other peoples lives. WHo are you to judge where people come from?

I am not talking about sin dude, Sin does not condemn a child of God. UNBELIEF DOES. How many times do you have to be told that?

I do not walk in sin for the following reasons

1. I realised 40 years ago what sin did to me
2. I realised God was my only hope
3. I EXPERIENCED GODS LOVE AND FORGIVENESS (and have since many times over)
4. I have been tried, and experienced how futile it is to live a life trying to take care of my own needs (sin)
5. I have experienced how GREAT life is when I do what God says (I learn more and more every day how truthful andf faithful God is)
6. I have witnessed and seen people fall into sin and the damage it does.

You want to judge, Judge yourself! You have bought into satans lie, that grace is a means to increase sin and excuse it, Well listen here, You have no idea what grace is or what it does to a person, if you did, you would not say the things you do. You want to live in religion, feel free. But expect to be apposed when you try to bring others down that path with you.

Can somebody please show me where I attacked this guy?

Definitely a strawman argument, fer sure.

 

[Lewiz]

Repent/Metanoia means to change one's mind, in the fullness of the word it is a herald cry to a new way ...the new way is completed by Christ Jesus.

The word "metanoia" has no meaning of feeling sorrow, pain or suffering in its meaning.

I changed my mind/metanoia when I was born again.

I was born again because I changed my mind/metanoia about trying to save myself and believed on the one who offered salvation as a free gift.

So when I sin I am not called to change my mind about that sin, justification is not progressive it is a one time event but we do need to learn to live in the justified/sanctified declared position.

What I see from these guys is the same thing......... slowly changing the meanings of important doctrinal teachings.

There's only one particular group over the years I witness do this over & over... cults.

 

[oldethennew]

we're not 'clones', Jesus gives us 'choices' always', even if we refuse to acknowledge or
take advantage of them../ this doesn't mean that we are 'lost', but, i'll say,
standing in a line...

 

[RickyZ]

We have pasted over & over scriptures about christians falling away & you keep ignoring them.

Because they cannot figure out how a Christian can walk away without violating Gods promise to keep us. So they twist those scriptures into meaning precisely opposite of what they say.

I put up a theory on how that might actually work, but I'm sure you can guess how well that was received

 

[UnderGrace]

Well, you are free to do the research, I would start with the early church fathers forward.

Hmm, I wonder what you have said to the Reformers?

What I see from these guys is the same thing......... slowly changing the meanings of important doctrinal teachings.

There's only one particular group over the years I witness do this over & over... cults.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Okay, let me state exactly what I believe.

First and foremost, I believe salvation is a gift from God, available by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone. I believe all sins, past, present, and future were not only paid for, but completely forgiven through the shed blood of Jesus.

Good works can neither earn nor retain salvation. Works do not justify us before God in any way - they justify us only before men as a testament to what we believe. Good works are also the basis for rewards, or lack thereof, at the Judgment seat of Christ.

Unbelief to the point of death is what damns a person. At death, the decision to reject Christ is sealed for eternity. There are no second chances after death.

I believe we sin because we still have the flesh nature with which to contend - the "Old Man" which wars against our new nature in Christ. While indeed we still sin, Christ took the punishment for those sins and in exchange imputed His righteousness, His holiness, sinlessness, and perfection to our account. When the Father looks upon us, that new nature - the nature of His Son - is the one He sees.

If we have any sins left in our account, any sins yet unforgiven attributable to us, we cannot be saved. The Bible says without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Jesus would have to come back and shed more blood to expunge those sins, yet the Bible says His sacrifice was once for all time - never to be repeated.

As God now judges us perfect in His sight, there can be no loss of fellowship due to bad behavior on the part of the Christian. God will certainly chastise a believer for correction, but not on the basis of any sin-debt, but as a means to teach.

If we are required to do anything beyond belief/trust in Christ for salvation, or retention thereof, it becomes a work, an opportunity for boasting, and negates it as a gift.

I am not advocating sinless perfectionism - the belief that one can reach a state where they no longer sin. We will sin until the day we die. What I advocate is that our sins are no longer attributed to us - no longer in our account. We can never be condemned for sins that, as far as God is concerned, are nonexistent.

Since salvation is a gift, we can never lose it. It cannot be taken away, nor can we "return" it. Jesus said we are held in His, and the Father's, hands, and nothing in all creation can snatch us out - not even ourselves, as we are, created beings. Nor can the seal of the Holy Spirit ever be broken.

I hope this clarifies things.

There's a difference is positional repentance and relational repentance.

 

[Cee]

The issue is that repent is a Latin religious word. And people create their own definitions for it. The word repent is from the idea re-penance. But that’s not what the Greek teaches. The Greek is meta-noia. It means change-thought. It’s focal point is looking forward not looking backward. Taking the Greek into account, if we are looking backward still we haven’t actually “repented”. In my experience, it’s cults that are unwilling to admit they might be incorrect. And ignoring the actual languages and meanings for their traditional doctrines. Another way to spot a cult, is how angry they get when you kick over their tradition lead idols.

 

[SovereignGrace]

it’s cults that are unwilling to admit they might be incorrect. Another way to spot a cult, is how angry they get when you kick over their tradition lead idols.

Care to elaborate on the above instead of giving us generalities?

 

[Angela53510]

Repent/Metanoia means to change one's mind, in the fullness of the word it is a herald cry to a new way ...the new way is completed by Christ Jesus.

The word "metanoia" has no meaning of feeling sorrow, pain or suffering in its meaning.

I changed my mind/metanoia when I was born again.

I was born again because I changed my mind/metanoia about trying to save myself and believed on the one who offered salvation as a free gift.

So when I sin I am not called to change my mind about that sin, justification is not progressive it is a one time event but we do need to learn to live in the justified/sanctified declared position.

Do you get this nonsense from your Word Faith gurus, or just make it up as you go along, because it makes you feel good about yourself?

I am glad you keep harping on the wrong things, because it helps me see another terribly unbiblical another aspect of the Word Faith/hypergrace lie is.

So read the Bible, before you post this kind of nonsense. The fact it, metanoia IS related to feeling sorry or pain. That is what the Bible says!

Here is what I already posted, but you decided to ignore. The Bible!

”Finally, the Word of God is clear, that we do feel pain when we are led to repent. Do none of you read the Bible, except as mediated through some cult leader? We are hurt or sad, when we become aware of our sins. Very clear in this following passage that we come to repentance when we are made aware of our sins, and we grieve them, or we are made sad by them, or sorry!

"Now I rejoice, not because you were made sad, but because you were made sad to the point of repentance. For you were made sad as God intended, so that you were not harmed in any way by us." 2 Cor. 7:9 NET

TLB puts it perfectly:

"Now I am glad I sent it, not because it hurt you but because the pain turned you to God." 2 Cor. 7:9a

As for not repenting from sin, let us look at the last part of the last letter Paul wrote, which was to the Corinthians, very late in his life, from Rome, where he was under guard.

"I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced." 2 Cor. 12:21

My advice is that you read the Bible from cover to cover a few times, and learn what it is about. Hypergrace and Word Faith are both lies, and they have nothing to do with the truth! Stay away from the internet and false teachers, who would lead even the very elect astray and you will grow the way God intended!”

Paul grieved! Over and over so that people would come to repentance, or metanoia. NOT just a “change of mind!” That is gnosticism. The Biblical definition of metanoia and metanoeo, is “to turn to God, away from sin.” And sometimes that is hard, sorrowful, sad, hurting.

Or, show me every Scripture using metanoia and metanoeo, and how every single one refers to ONLY ‘change of mind.” In fact, Bauer clearly shows that EVERY “change of mind” only refers to Ancient Greek writers, non-Christian and gnostics.

I think HeRose really called this one. Hypergrace, with its redefining words so they don’t mean what the Bible means is a form of gnosticism.

Really, repent before it is too late! Have some godly sorrow and feel how wrong you are. And know that God will forgive you, when you confess your sins!

Really, it is your choice - the Bible or hypergrace lie! The living God, found in the Bible; or internet gurus who manipulate and lie!

 

[Cee]

That Scripture is focusing on turning to God not on sorrow. If it didn’t lead to turning to God it would simply be sorrow. It shows us that metanoia can happen through sorrow, but it doesn’t teach sorrow is required. That’s reading into it. The focus is change of mind. Their sorrow came from God’s kindness and goodness. It is HE who leads us to repentance.

 

[preacher4truth]

In my experience, it’s cults that are unwilling to admit they might be incorrect. And ignoring the actual languages and meanings for their traditional doctrines. Another way to spot a cult, is how angry they get when you kick over their tradition lead idols.

Well by your subjective definition you're in a cult.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Do you get this nonsense from your Word Faith gurus, or just make it up as you go along, because it makes you feel good about yourself?

I am glad you keep harping on the wrong things, because it helps me see another terribly unbiblical another aspect of the Word Faith/hypergrace lie is.

So read the Bible, before you post this kind of nonsense. The fact it, metanoia IS related to feeling sorry or pain. That is what the Bible says!

Here is what I already posted, but you decided to ignore. The Bible!

”Finally, the Word of God is clear, that we do feel pain when we are led to repent. Do none of you read the Bible, except as mediated through some cult leader? We are hurt or sad, when we become aware of our sins. Very clear in this following passage that we come to repentance when we are made aware of our sins, and we grieve them, or we are made sad by them, or sorry!

"Now I rejoice, not because you were made sad, but because you were made sad to the point of repentance. For you were made sad as God intended, so that you were not harmed in any way by us." 2 Cor. 7:9 NET

TLB puts it perfectly:

"Now I am glad I sent it, not because it hurt you but because the pain turned you to God." 2 Cor. 7:9a

As for not repenting from sin, let us look at the last part of the last letter Paul wrote, which was to the Corinthians, very late in his life, from Rome, where he was under guard.

"I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced." 2 Cor. 12:21

My advice is that you read the Bible from cover to cover a few times, and learn what it is about. Hypergrace and Word Faith are both lies, and they have nothing to do with the truth! Stay away from the internet and false teachers, who would lead even the very elect astray and you will grow the way God intended!”

Paul grieved! Over and over so that people would come to repentance, or metanoia. NOT just a “change of mind!” That is gnosticism. The Biblical definition of metanoia and metanoeo, is “to turn to God, away from sin.” And sometimes that is hard, sorrowful, sad, hurting.

Or, show me every Scripture using metanoia and metanoeo, and how every single one refers to ONLY ‘change of mind.” In fact, Bauer clearly shows that EVERY “change of mind” only refers to Ancient Greek writers, non-Christian and gnostics.

I think HeRose really called this one. Hypergrace, with its redefining words so they don’t mean what the Bible means is a form of gnosticism.

Really, repent before it is too late! Have some godly sorrow and feel how wrong you are. And know that God will forgive you, when you confess your sins!

Really, it is your choice - the Bible or hypergrace lie! The living God, found in the Bible; or internet gurus who manipulate and lie!

David's prayer after his tryst with Bathsheba and Nathan's confrontation...


Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions.Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight;[Psalm 51:1-4]

So, here we see David confessing his sins before God, while at the same time expressing repentance.

Imagine David after saying all this..."Yes, I have sinned God. I am not going to change my mind about it(repent), but forgive me of that which I will not change my mind about."

Again, it's cutting edge, fresh, brand new, artsy-fartsy, "listen to what I am saying", &c.

 

[SovereignGrace]

That Scripture is focusing on turning to God not on sorrow. If it didn’t lead to turning to God it would simply be sorrow. It shows us that metanoia can happen through sorrow, but it doesn’t teach sorrow is required. That’s reading into it. The focus is change of mind. Their sorrow came from God’s kindness and goodness. It is HE who leads us to repentance.

A Godly sorrow is what leads one to repentance.[2 Cor. 7:10]

 

[Angela53510]

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Do you understand what a "DESCRIPTION" is. It means it is a description of someone or something, In rom 8:1. Paul is saying there is now therefor no more condemnation to those who are in christ. Then he describes who these people are. "who do not walk after the flesh" ie, they do not live a lifestyle of walking after the flesh, they are new creatures. Do we sin? Yes, When we sin, what is our issue? We followed the flesh not the spirit. But that is not WALKING in the flesh. Walking in the flesh is a lifestyle.

As John said in his epistle. one who sins (walks in the flesh) has never seen god or known him, whoever is born of God can not sin (live a lifetyle of sin or walk in the flesh) because he has been born of God.

The problem with you EG and every post you write, pretty much for as long as I can remember is that you paraphrase everything. Paraphrasing is an interpretation. It means, you can subtlety put your own spin on it, maybe by only changing one word.

Perhaps in future, when you want to quote the Bible, take a version, any version, and look it up on Biblegateway.com or Biblehub.com. Then post the verse as translated, and the address of the verse.

Then we can have a real discussion of what the words mean, not just your paraphrasing, especially when you are not paraphrasing the original languages, like TLB, or the Message (and there are issues with those Bibles) but instead, from your own imagination and memory.

 

[Cee]

A Godly sorrow is what leads one to repentance.[2 Cor. 7:10]

No, it lead those particular people to repentance in that particular example, but the principle is the goodness and kindness of God leads all to repentance.

But once again the focus is turning toward God. Not sorrow. It’s about God. Scripture points us to Him.

 

[UnderGrace]

Amen!!

How can our sorrow even begin to compare to what Jesus did for us. It is all about God.

No, it lead those particular people to repentance in that particular example, but the principle is the goodness and kindness of God leads all to repentance.

But once again the focus is turning toward God. Not sorrow. It’s about God. Scripture points us to Him.

 

[SovereignGrace]

No, it lead those particular people to repentance in that particular example, but the principle is the goodness and kindness of God leads all to repentance.

But once again the focus is turning toward God. Not sorrow. It’s about God. Scripture points us to Him.

No?!?!?!?!?

I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.[2 Cor. 7:9,10]

Repentance is a change of mind, that turns someone from themselves to God. But it does not just effect the mind, but also the heart. God must first wrought grace into someone's heart before they will change their mind. This all leads to repentance via a Godly sorrow.

 

[SovereignGrace]

No, it lead those particular people to repentance in that particular example, but the principle is the goodness and kindness of God leads all to repentance.

But once again the focus is turning toward God. Not sorrow. It’s about God. Scripture points us to Him.

More new, fresh, cutting edge, artsy-fartsy, "listen to what I am saying", &c in the above.

Ppl don't need to repent, even post-salvation, neither do they need to confess their sins.

And ppl have the audacity to wonder why our churches as such the hot mess?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Cee]

You’re reading into the Scripture. Please notice it says a sorrow can lead one to death or to God. Right there Paul is explaining what godly sorrow is. It’s about turning to God. If it doesn’t turn to God, it’s just sorrow not godly sorrow.

 

[blossom68]

I feel we should even tho by the blood shed of jesus we are cleansed of all sin you just verify what you do is not what you want in your life just for your love towards god still should obey just for the fact you love him,not out of earning anything