Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?
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The issue is that repent is a Latin religious word. And people create their own definitions for it. The word repent is from the idea re-penance. But that’s not what the Greek teaches. The Greek is meta-noia. It means change-thought. It’s focal point is looking forward not looking backward. Taking the Greek into account, if we are looking backward still we haven’t actually “repented”. In my experience, it’s cults that are unwilling to admit they might be incorrect. And ignoring the actual languages and meanings for their traditional doctrines. Another way to spot a cult, is how angry they get when you kick over their tradition lead idols.
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Do you get this nonsense from your Word Faith gurus, or just make it up as you go along, because it makes you feel good about yourself?
I am glad you keep harping on the wrong things, because it helps me see another terribly unbiblical another aspect of the Word Faith/hypergrace lie is.
So read the Bible, before you post this kind of nonsense. The fact it, metanoia IS related to feeling sorry or pain. That is what the Bible says!
Here is what I already posted, but you decided to ignore. The Bible!
”Finally, the Word of God is clear, that we do feel pain when we are led to repent. Do none of you read the Bible, except as mediated through some cult leader? We are hurt or sad, when we become aware of our sins. Very clear in this following passage that we come to repentance when we are made aware of our sins, and we grieve them, or we are made sad by them, or sorry!
"Now I rejoice, not because you were made sad, but because you were made sad to the point of repentance. For you were made sad as God intended, so that you were not harmed in any way by us." 2 Cor. 7:9 NET
TLB puts it perfectly:
"Now I am glad I sent it, not because it hurt you but because the pain turned you to God." 2 Cor. 7:9a
As for not repenting from sin, let us look at the last part of the last letter Paul wrote, which was to the Corinthians, very late in his life, from Rome, where he was under guard.
"I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced." 2 Cor. 12:21
My advice is that you read the Bible from cover to cover a few times, and learn what it is about. Hypergrace and Word Faith are both lies, and they have nothing to do with the truth! Stay away from the internet and false teachers, who would lead even the very elect astray and you will grow the way God intended!”
Paul grieved! Over and over so that people would come to repentance, or metanoia. NOT just a “change of mind!” That is gnosticism. The Biblical definition of metanoia and metanoeo, is “to turn to God, away from sin.” And sometimes that is hard, sorrowful, sad, hurting.
Or, show me every Scripture using metanoia and metanoeo, and how every single one refers to ONLY ‘change of mind.” In fact, Bauer clearly shows that EVERY “change of mind” only refers to Ancient Greek writers, non-Christian and gnostics.
I think HeRose really called this one. Hypergrace, with its redefining words so they don’t mean what the Bible means is a form of gnosticism.
Really, repent before it is too late! Have some godly sorrow and feel how wrong you are. And know that God will forgive you, when you confess your sins!
Really, it is your choice - the Bible or hypergrace lie! The living God, found in the Bible; or internet gurus who manipulate and lie!
I am glad you keep harping on the wrong things, because it helps me see another terribly unbiblical another aspect of the Word Faith/hypergrace lie is.
So read the Bible, before you post this kind of nonsense. The fact it, metanoia IS related to feeling sorry or pain. That is what the Bible says!
Here is what I already posted, but you decided to ignore. The Bible!
”Finally, the Word of God is clear, that we do feel pain when we are led to repent. Do none of you read the Bible, except as mediated through some cult leader? We are hurt or sad, when we become aware of our sins. Very clear in this following passage that we come to repentance when we are made aware of our sins, and we grieve them, or we are made sad by them, or sorry!
"Now I rejoice, not because you were made sad, but because you were made sad to the point of repentance. For you were made sad as God intended, so that you were not harmed in any way by us." 2 Cor. 7:9 NET
TLB puts it perfectly:
"Now I am glad I sent it, not because it hurt you but because the pain turned you to God." 2 Cor. 7:9a
As for not repenting from sin, let us look at the last part of the last letter Paul wrote, which was to the Corinthians, very late in his life, from Rome, where he was under guard.
"I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced." 2 Cor. 12:21
My advice is that you read the Bible from cover to cover a few times, and learn what it is about. Hypergrace and Word Faith are both lies, and they have nothing to do with the truth! Stay away from the internet and false teachers, who would lead even the very elect astray and you will grow the way God intended!”
Paul grieved! Over and over so that people would come to repentance, or metanoia. NOT just a “change of mind!” That is gnosticism. The Biblical definition of metanoia and metanoeo, is “to turn to God, away from sin.” And sometimes that is hard, sorrowful, sad, hurting.
Or, show me every Scripture using metanoia and metanoeo, and how every single one refers to ONLY ‘change of mind.” In fact, Bauer clearly shows that EVERY “change of mind” only refers to Ancient Greek writers, non-Christian and gnostics.
I think HeRose really called this one. Hypergrace, with its redefining words so they don’t mean what the Bible means is a form of gnosticism.
Really, repent before it is too late! Have some godly sorrow and feel how wrong you are. And know that God will forgive you, when you confess your sins!
Really, it is your choice - the Bible or hypergrace lie! The living God, found in the Bible; or internet gurus who manipulate and lie!
That Scripture is focusing on turning to God not on sorrow. If it didn’t lead to turning to God it would simply be sorrow. It shows us that metanoia can happen through sorrow, but it doesn’t teach sorrow is required. That’s reading into it. The focus is change of mind. Their sorrow came from God’s kindness and goodness. It is HE who leads us to repentance.
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David's prayer after his tryst with Bathsheba and Nathan's confrontation...
Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions.Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight;[Psalm 51:1-4]
So, here we see David confessing his sins before God, while at the same time expressing repentance.
Imagine David after saying all this..."Yes, I have sinned God. I am not going to change my mind about it(repent), but forgive me of that which I will not change my mind about."
Again, it's cutting edge, fresh, brand new, artsy-fartsy, "listen to what I am saying", &c.
Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions.Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight;[Psalm 51:1-4]
So, here we see David confessing his sins before God, while at the same time expressing repentance.
Imagine David after saying all this..."Yes, I have sinned God. I am not going to change my mind about it(repent), but forgive me of that which I will not change my mind about."
Again, it's cutting edge, fresh, brand new, artsy-fartsy, "listen to what I am saying", &c.
The problem with you EG and every post you write, pretty much for as long as I can remember is that you paraphrase everything. Paraphrasing is an interpretation. It means, you can subtlety put your own spin on it, maybe by only changing one word.
Perhaps in future, when you want to quote the Bible, take a version, any version, and look it up on Biblegateway.com or Biblehub.com. Then post the verse as translated, and the address of the verse.
Then we can have a real discussion of what the words mean, not just your paraphrasing, especially when you are not paraphrasing the original languages, like TLB, or the Message (and there are issues with those Bibles) but instead, from your own imagination and memory.
Perhaps in future, when you want to quote the Bible, take a version, any version, and look it up on Biblegateway.com or Biblehub.com. Then post the verse as translated, and the address of the verse.
Then we can have a real discussion of what the words mean, not just your paraphrasing, especially when you are not paraphrasing the original languages, like TLB, or the Message (and there are issues with those Bibles) but instead, from your own imagination and memory.
No?!?!?!?!?
I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.[2 Cor. 7:9,10]
Repentance is a change of mind, that turns someone from themselves to God. But it does not just effect the mind, but also the heart. God must first wrought grace into someone's heart before they will change their mind. This all leads to repentance via a Godly sorrow.
I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.[2 Cor. 7:9,10]
Repentance is a change of mind, that turns someone from themselves to God. But it does not just effect the mind, but also the heart. God must first wrought grace into someone's heart before they will change their mind. This all leads to repentance via a Godly sorrow.