10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!
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It's one thing to believe and trust that we can come before God knowing that He will forgive us when we have sinned ... and He will and does. It's another thing to take God's forgiveness for granted. I don't much care what others may or may not decide to do on such occasions. But as for me, I will lay my heart before Him in acknowledgement of my transgression(s) and ask Him to yet again forgive me. I appreciate when someone apologizes to me for a wrong they may have done. Does God deserve less ?
Well said JGIG., We must get away from the mindset that thinks God is out to get us and cause us misery and shame, trapped in guilt and not able to walk in the freedom that Jesus paid for us to have. We are admonished to walk in the freedom Jesus died to give us no longer are we bound up trapped in sin but we are set free and called to walk in newness of life. Romans 8:2
Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus.
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2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.
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3 [/SUP]For God has done what the Law could not do, [its power] being weakened by the flesh [[SUP][a][/SUP]the entire nature of man without the Holy Spirit]. Sending His own Son in the guise of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, [God] condemned sin in the flesh [[SUP][b][/SUP]subdued, overcame, [SUP][c][/SUP]deprived it of its power over all who accept that sacrifice],
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4 [/SUP]So that the righteous and just requirement of the Law might be fully met in us who live and move not in the ways of the flesh but in the ways of the Spirit [our lives governed not by the standards and according to the dictates of the flesh, but controlled by the Holy Spirit].
God is good.... all the time. And we enter into His rest by invitation DAILY. That is what He wants for us and He not only provided the REST in Jesus, He made a daily way of escape. Well written post as always JGIG and I especially appreciated your reference to being JOYFUL IN THE LORD JESUS. It's a Fruit of the Spirit. And we are here is to produce FRUIT and that is ALWAYS the goal not only good for us but good for others and glorifying to God.
Galatians 5:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,
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23 [/SUP]Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [[SUP][a][/SUP]that can bring a charge].
Just a question for you and something I have considered and came to a amazing conclusion about. Do you think God would appreciate (even more) that we put so much value on the blood of Jesus and God's provision for us that we would remember the blood of Jesus has cleansed us from all sin each and every time we sin?
That just like at communion time we are put to remembrance that it was Jesus who died and rose again for our sin and made provision at all times for us. So great is His power to save and cleanse us. We are told to "do this in remembrance of Me"
This is actually a happy time because it's been done and now we remember what He "accomplished" for us. He is not on the cross now suffering., He is at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us all daily. His presence is our salvation.
What I've discovered this remembrance does is cause me to walk in it daily. Jesus is at the fore front of my mind not just at the times I sin but the times I'm getting up and going to work and talking to people He is making provision for me. It's an on going truth that frees and cleanses each time I think about Jesus my mind is renewed.
That's what this knowledge does., that is why we can have the joy of the Lord at all times.
Why would you jump to that conclusion? God COMMANDS all men everywhere to repent in order to be saved, and that is the truth which you apparently would avoid.
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Lk 24:47).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 3:19)
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent (Acts 17:30)
After Nathan had confronted David of his adultery he committed with Bathsheba...
Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has taken away your sin; you shall not die. However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die.” So Nathan went to his house.[2 Sam. 12:13-15]
Would this not fall under confessing sins?
Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has taken away your sin; you shall not die. However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die.” So Nathan went to his house.[2 Sam. 12:13-15]
Would this not fall under confessing sins?
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Well then it comes back to the meaning of the word "metanoia" and when and where it is used in scripture.
For eternal life/salvation we do not "turn from sin" to be saved because that is a work, we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus who is the object of our faith, He and only He is the object of our changed mind and the result is salvation.
The result (remission of sins) and object (Jesus) of metanoia are contained in the context of the passage.
For eternal life/salvation we do not "turn from sin" to be saved because that is a work, we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus who is the object of our faith, He and only He is the object of our changed mind and the result is salvation.
The result (remission of sins) and object (Jesus) of metanoia are contained in the context of the passage.
I studied the context of each verse provided in Post #168. In each instance the preaching of the resurrection from the dead is taught. Scripture is clear on this point if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins (1 Cor 15:17).
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Interesting!!
I have read this verse many times, but how you have put it together with what I wrote just makes it that much more powerful.
I have read this verse many times, but how you have put it together with what I wrote just makes it that much more powerful.
I thought the same thing as I went through the verses. Interesting how God works on our hearts.
Our freedom in Christ absolutely free's us from condemnation ... and it is in knowing this that we are actually "more able" to walk confidently in His grace (by His power .. not ours). And yes, on those occasions when we do fall, it is this very understanding that helps us to get back up again and not linger in condemnation as we may have once done. A truly contrite heart tho is still something that God won't hide His face from. Even our Godly sorrow itself is a gift from God. All to Him ... all in Him. I always remember the story of the ten who were healed and only one came back to give thanks. May we all strive to be that one.
Romans 4:5-8 does, “And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: 7“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
Psalm 130:1-8 “Out of the depths I cry to you, O Lord! 2O Lord, hear my voice! Let your ears be attentive to the voice of my pleas for mercy! 3If you, O Lord, should mark iniquities,O Lord, who could stand? 4But with you there is forgiveness,that you may be feared. 5I wait for the Lord, my soul waits,and in his word I hope; 6my soul waits for the Lordmore than watchmen for the morning,more than watchmen for the morning. 7O Israel, hope in the Lord!For with the Lord there is steadfast love,and with him is plentiful redemption. 8And he will redeem Israelfrom all his iniquities.”
Romans 4 is a quotation of Psalm 32 and both Psalms 32 and 130 teach that a man's sin are forgiven all of them, all is past, present and future, if not then all sin of the repentant person are not forgiven.
There is no mention of sin to any of those Churches, to Ephesus He says in Revelation 2:2-7 “‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 3I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name's sake, and you have not grown weary. 4But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’”
He does not mention sin to Pergamum either, in Revelation 2:13-17 “‘I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faith even in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality. 15So also you have some who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16Therefore repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth. 17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’”
Jesus says nothing of sin to the Church in Thyatira, here's what He said Revelation 2:19-29 “‘I know your works, your love and faith and service and patient endurance, and that your latter works exceed the first. 20But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. 21I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. 22Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, 23and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works. 24But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden. 25Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”
I see no mention of sin to any of the three Churches, can you help by give us chapter and verse?
Thanks?
I made your last sentence bold and enlarged it, because it is so accurate, but here is another take on it. People are assuming the results of our beliefs without having walked them out. They see a cause and effect, assuming the consequence of such beliefs.
They feel that because we do not seek forgiveness from God (because He has already given it to us), that we do not seek fellowship with God, seek righteousness and holiness from God, and do not seek to bring before God our sins that are in need of repentance. Our sins grieve us, they torment our very souls because it is no longer who we are. God has made us new. The tiniest of infractions may cause sorrow.
Here is the rub though. Shame can make us feel as though such sin is our identity, who we are as a person. Yet God sanctifies us, and has called us to holiness and righteousness. Such things He brings about through sanctification, who we are in Christ (righteousness of God), chastisement, and the renewing of our minds. We realize that we are no longer slaves to sin but righteousness. Its almost as if old habits die hard (and yet for some, instant deliverance).
Its sad, and appalling (as Angela said), that we would bring defamation to fellow brethren and sisters in Christ by bringing railing accusations against them that are inaccurate. Instead we should thoroughly consider what is being said, read it, and attempt to comprehend. Ask questions, don't assume. "Are you saying this? If you are, doesn't that mean this?" Why must we escalate the conversation as if we are on opposing sides? We both desire to be righteous and holy in conduct!
Romans 3:21-31 “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to i— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.”
We are justified by His underseved grace that cannot be earned by works of the Law, because it is the gift of God who justifies the ungodly. We recieve His propitiation by faith, why? Because by His grace we have been regenerated so that we can repent and have the faith to receive the propitiation or as Paul puts it in Ephesians 2:8-10 “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.”
Is our receiving the propitiation by faith or as Habakkuk 2:4 put it, “Behold, his soul is puffed up; it is not upright within him, but the righteous shall live by his faith.” Saved by grace through faith.
Ok I read up to page 90 not really sure what to make of it . The author around page 80 explains how both Jesus and John the Baptist experienced metanoia. That they were both relieved of their paranoia. Or their earthly old minds as he goes on to explain up to page 90 or so . Either way the author dose not give a defense of not confessing sin . I you care to read his prayer book on page 68 of his prayer book he has a prayer for the new year. In it he instructs folks to pray for the recollection of our sins and the tears to weep for them . He seems a bit off . Also his foot notes are odd . Looking up a few he sourced were books on mythology concerning Metanoia . That Metanoia is personified as the daughter of Kronos a Greek Titan father of Zeus . She is a shadow like figure that allows us to change our mind . Still odd I tend to think it is not that type of meaning the apostles had in mind .
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Bill
Italians do not like "fiascos" we usually stay away.
I do think this is about hyper grace or word of faith doctrine per se… but the etymology of the word “repentance” (coming from the Latin, paena, with an inherent meaning of pain, paetentia)
I find it interesting the prefix “re” means to look back, do again. looking back is a place of emotion and regret.
“Meta” on the other hand when looks at the etymology means “after” “change” and “nous” meaning mind, much like the word “paranoia” ……etymologically “against the mind”
Repentance coming from Latin was a poor translation of the word metanoia but it suited the Roman church fathers who oppressed the truth.
It is also interesting that in 1430 a Catholic theologian who realized the mistake that Jerome had made in the Latin Vulgate and the poor translation of metanoia as "penance" was forced to renounce his beliefs on it since Rome was making money on penance “paetentia” and was not willing to change.
Yet even with the word repentance with the etymological root penance/paetentia remains, yet metanoia has no meaning or sense of pain from its etymology.
And I have checked this article on Valla who questioned the translation via my university database and it is authentic.
Prosser, Peter E. (2001). "Church history's biggest hoax: Renaissance scholarship proved fatal for one of the medieval papacy's favorite claims". Christian History. 20 (Journal Article): 35–. ISSN 0891-9666
Just a reminder Valla was a humanist. He had a agenda against the Catholics . His whole point was not that the word translation was wrong . He believed that man was basically good . His philosophy led him to believe that some may not even need a redeemer so the word had to have another meaning to him . Villa stuck with a strictly Greek meaning for the word . A language deeply influenced by paganism. The word Metanoia has been expressed as being daughter of a Greek mythological titan . That works to change our minds . We can’t just use the Greek definition. It definitely had a different or more nuanced meaning for the Jews .
Blessings
Bill