Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?
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Here’s the thing about the Reformers. They knew the Bible in the original languages so well, they were able to translate Bibles into their own languages. Martin Luther translated the first German language Bible. It is such a good translation, that with a bit of updating, because German is so similar to Greek in grammar, it is far better than any English Bible I have ever read.
Then there was John Calvin. He spoke Latin so well, he published his Institutes in it, right after the French version. He was instrumental in helping French Protestants get Bibles in their own language. He knew the Bible inside out! And of course, he knew Hebrew and Greek, like all the scholars of their day, and WELL!
And then, there are Word Faith and hypergrace teachers, who don’t know the first thing about hermeneutics or Bible interpretation. They do not know anything about Greek or Hebrew, except that which they pull out of context from Strong’s.
So, no! The Reformers KNEW THE BIBLE! They knew how to read and interpret the Bible. The early church fathers - well some of them. Some of them went off the deep end with their theology.
Perhaps it would help you to actually read the Reformers. And the early church fathers. I read a bit of the Didaché in Greek. Some of it was word for word from the Bible. And some of it? Well, some rules not found in the Bible at all. Like, a traveling evangelist who asks for money or bread, or to stay in a village more than 2 days, is a false prophet.
Too bad that is NOT in the Bible. It would stop all these greedy thieves from fleecing the flock. But, the fact is, some of what they wrote is not in the Bible at all.
Really, discernment needs to be developed to read anything anyone has written. And that is only gained from reading the Bible through over and over, studying it deeply, comparing what the original words say, to what someone is saying about those words.
As far as hypergrace and Word Faith teachers, they just do not have a clue what the Bible says. Period!
Then there was John Calvin. He spoke Latin so well, he published his Institutes in it, right after the French version. He was instrumental in helping French Protestants get Bibles in their own language. He knew the Bible inside out! And of course, he knew Hebrew and Greek, like all the scholars of their day, and WELL!
And then, there are Word Faith and hypergrace teachers, who don’t know the first thing about hermeneutics or Bible interpretation. They do not know anything about Greek or Hebrew, except that which they pull out of context from Strong’s.
So, no! The Reformers KNEW THE BIBLE! They knew how to read and interpret the Bible. The early church fathers - well some of them. Some of them went off the deep end with their theology.
Perhaps it would help you to actually read the Reformers. And the early church fathers. I read a bit of the Didaché in Greek. Some of it was word for word from the Bible. And some of it? Well, some rules not found in the Bible at all. Like, a traveling evangelist who asks for money or bread, or to stay in a village more than 2 days, is a false prophet.
Too bad that is NOT in the Bible. It would stop all these greedy thieves from fleecing the flock. But, the fact is, some of what they wrote is not in the Bible at all.
Really, discernment needs to be developed to read anything anyone has written. And that is only gained from reading the Bible through over and over, studying it deeply, comparing what the original words say, to what someone is saying about those words.
As far as hypergrace and Word Faith teachers, they just do not have a clue what the Bible says. Period!
Church is in a hot mess because what you’re teaching leaves people in shame and condemnation. You teach people need to be ashamed of their sin, but provide no way for them to believe they are free. Thus, they do exactly what you say they are. Sin. Because they are just worthless sinners. The Church was in a mess the moment it chose religion over turning to God to live by faith.
The only way ppl are free is in Christ. You are the guys that are saying man's not totally dead in sin, as his will is free. HE CAN CHOOSE!!! Yet the bible avers something entirely different.
Man is not really that wicked, just misunderstood, according to the other side of the debate.
Ppl don't need to repent after they're saved, neither do they need to confess their sins, per your side of the debate.
Ppl do need to feel ashamed of sin. I can't believe I am having this convo with a believer.
When I sin, I feel ashamed. You should, too.
Man is not really that wicked, just misunderstood, according to the other side of the debate.
Ppl don't need to repent after they're saved, neither do they need to confess their sins, per your side of the debate.
Ppl do need to feel ashamed of sin. I can't believe I am having this convo with a believer.
When I sin, I feel ashamed. You should, too.
your free from sin but as god hates evil and sin so should we all so there for not in condemnation or that you feel or know that you just hate it and if we all have the power of god his spirit in us all the power of god who dwells in us who raised jesus from the dead can also give you the empowerment to reject all temptation to sin
I didn’t say anything you are attributing to me. I didn’t say a person couldn’t feel sorry for sin. I said that’s not what the purest form of repentance is. If it was the only way we could grow in God is through continually sinning. The purest form of repentance is a continual process of being lead to God.
We can teach people to not sin, and they will turn away from it, but not always towards God. Many turn to hard hearted self-righteousness. But if we teach them to turn to God, they will always turn away from sin. The goal is to see Him. Consider Scripture that says eternal life is to know Him. And as we discover His goodness and kindness we willing with a cheerful heart seek to be like Him. This is true meta-noia.
We can teach people to not sin, and they will turn away from it, but not always towards God. Many turn to hard hearted self-righteousness. But if we teach them to turn to God, they will always turn away from sin. The goal is to see Him. Consider Scripture that says eternal life is to know Him. And as we discover His goodness and kindness we willing with a cheerful heart seek to be like Him. This is true meta-noia.
Boy, have you got this messed up! Sorry, Cee, I know you are a kind and loving man. But, this is just wrong.
First, metanoia - one word, no hyphens, is Greek. It means “repent.” The word used in Latin, is translated into English as “penance” which was Jerome’s bad translation in the 4th century. It was bad, because he only had limited Greek, and very little Hebrew.
Metanoia, means “change of mind” only in Greek, non-Biblical texts. When it is found in the Bible, it is connected to repentance, and it has real feelings of sorrow, grief and sadness for sins committed. Read the places in the Bible where it is used, in context, and you will see this is a lie. I posted this on the thread by Ben, about what the BIBLE says. Feel free to ask me to reprint that, or to look it up yourself, instead of takikng these cult leaders and gurus at their word.
So, no, you don’t know Greek, and you are right, Word Faith is a cult, and they are unwilling to admit they are incorrect, when they have literally redefined words in the Bible to mean things only found in Ancient Greek, non-Christian or non-Jewish sources, and gnostic writings.
As for tradition led idols - the Word Faith in a mere 30-40 years have created the worse, most unbiblical traditions, they mouth lies which their followers continue to spout and adhere to, and are walking far from God.
So, take a look at what Bible says about the Word “repent.” Just go to Biblegateway.com and put in the word “repent” or “repentance” in any English version. Read every single occurrence in context. You will find that repentance is connected to turning from sin.
I don’t know why this comes as such a surprise to you hypergrace/ Word Faith people. The fact is, you will go to those verses, and instead of reading the actual words, like:
“[FONT="]Now I rejoice, not because you were made sad, but because you were made sad to the point of repentance. For you were made sad as God intended, so that you were not harmed in any way by us.” 2 Cor. 7:9 NET
You will read it as “made sad. The point of the change of mind.” With periods that don’t belong, with words that are not there.
Or “[/FONT][FONT="]and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.” 2 Cor. 12:21 b-c NET
And you will make it say, “who previously sinned. They need to change their minds. Oh, and they should not practice sins like.... wait, scratch that whole last part. People only need to “change their minds.”
Everyone is a Greek expert these days, because they read it in some devotional on the internet, and that person wh0o wrote it literally never studied Greek, either.
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god clearly states if you love me you will keep my commands so if god is saying this then what this simply means the spirit of god who dwells in us can deliver us from sin for in the verse that claims that if we love god we would not sin and then god has made away for us to accomplish this or he would not have said that for he cannot lie