Not By Works

[Shamah]

The scripture that say that Jesus did not come to save the righteous but to save sinners meant all before he came was sinners. Here you have sinners doing righteous things, obeying the commandments of God, giving to the needy and the poor, but yet was not saved,and because they were doing righteous things, it was not going to save them. So the works of righteousness before Jesus came was of no effect. Mercy came to all regardless if they were doing righteous works or not. BUT upon being saved if they believed, their righteous works were counted in their favor,which is obeying the word of God. JESUS SAID. Store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, and not treasures on earth. What kinds of treasure are you storing up in heaven? by being righteous in the eyes of God.

I like your intent here but a small friendly correction, He came to "call sinners to repentance":

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 9:12-13, “And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]hearing this, said to them, “Those who are strong have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means, ‘I desire compassion and not offering.’ (Hos 6:6) For I did not come to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners.”
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[dcontroversal]

God's command to Abraham was to go and sacrifice Isaac on the alter,and without question, he did just that, his only son at that time. His faith in God was his good works that he obeyed God. Good works is obeying God and living by every word that proceeds out of his mouth.

Nice try....Abraham was declared righteous by faith without works long before he was even circumcised and or offered Isaac........get your facts straight

 

[dcontroversal]

Just incase my post was misunderstood by anyone. The literal interpretation of that judgment day scripture is that many will be pleading with Jesus "Lord, Lord" and they will speak of the works they've done, as if evidence they are His.... "have we not prophesied in your name..... done many great things in your name" etc, so pleading their case. The fact they call Him Lord shows they are from the "christian" world. But He will call them workers of iniquity, and that He never knew them. They were never His.

As for the "look what I did for you" versus "look what you did for me" - this is not a quote from scripture but rather this was on my mind, because it really is the mentality of the two groups. There are us who look to Jesus and His work alone, versus those who look to self. Too many people are trying to get to God on their own terms (religion). Their thinking is "if I do this then God will be pleased with me" but it's what God has done for us, not what man can do for God!!

This is the same attitude of those people on judgment day... they never looked to Jesus alone to save them.

Amen and a hard truth.....most so called Christian religions push works lock, stock and barrel......my bible is clear...We are saved by faith and not by works of righteousness which we have done......!

 

[dcontroversal]

God's command to Abraham was to go and sacrifice Isaac on the alter,and without question, he did just that, his only son at that time. His faith in God was his good works that he obeyed God. Good works is obeying God and living by every word that proceeds out of his mouth.

By the way you missed another fact in your post....Ishmael was Abraham's SON before Isaac and even tried to get God to accept him....you do study right?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So for the 'self righteous', their faith requires good works?

But for those that are not self righteous, their faith does not require good works?

Is that how it works?

Do you ever take the time to actually sit and look at what a person is saying and even attempt to understand?

by this comment it is obvious you have not tried to understand TT at all, and you wonder why he ignored you (or at least i saw him say he did)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Born again is actually quite simple, people make it hard when it does not have to be

the bible says we are dead because of sin,

the bible says we who were dead in tresspasses and sin have been “made alive” in christ, together eith him, and in the spirit” (numerous passages)

the bible has terms for it

justified (declaired righteous)
Eternal life
redeemed
forgiven
adopted
saved

one of the best passages other than john 3 on new birth or regeneration is titus 3:5 where pauls says, “not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy, he saved us, by the washing and regeneration (new birth) of the holy spirit”

its not rocket science, it us the simplicity found in christ,

 

[justsomeone123]

why do you cut off what jesus is saying keep reading its like we audio record jesus and only play the part we want let jesus speak he is the king of kings and the lord of lords for crying out loud.....jesus is referring to the false prophets keep reading jesus never says NOT to do good works he says YES do good works as I have taught you jesus says Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH THEM NOT, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Matthew 7:21*-‬27 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.7.21-27.KJV

 

[justsomeone123]

did you read and understand?

 

[justsomeone123]

Amen and a hard truth.....most so called Christian religions push works lock, stock and barrel......my bible is clear...We are saved by faith and not by works of righteousness which we have done......!

let me know what you think about what jesus had said now that you have read the truth and not a jesus being cut off halfway

 

[mailmandan]

Nice try....Abraham was declared righteous by faith without works long before he was even circumcised and or offered Isaac........get your facts straight

Amen! In James 2:21, we see that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22.

The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save him, but it showed or manifested that his faith was genuine. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

Romans 4:9 - Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

did you read and understand?

So you think DC thinks a believer can be licentious person who is a hearer of the word only and not a doer?

it is obvious you do not know him at all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

let me know what you think about what jesus had said now that you have read the truth and not a jesus being cut off halfway

Why do you not read,

jesus said the plain truth, why works are not the basis of salvation, faith is, many will come and try to tout there works as why jesus should let them in, and jesus will say depart from him.

True believers work, ut they are saved by faith alone. Period.

 

[graceNpeace]

Amen! In James 2:21, we see that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22.

The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save him, but it showed or manifested that his faith was genuine. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

Romans 4:9 - Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised.

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to mailmandan again!
And the some would apply to dcon too...

Yes!
It so clear that Abraham's righteousness was imputed purely on account of faith.
Nothing more and nothing less!

However, it seems that the works salvationists struggle to read three consecutive words in a row never mind a text comprising several verses, or God forbid, a chapter or two of the Bible....

 

[Studyman]

Nice try....Abraham was declared righteous by faith without works long before he was even circumcised and or offered Isaac........get your facts straight

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

 

[Studyman]

=eternally-gratefull;3557834]

Born again is actually quite simple, people make it hard when it does not have to be

the bible says we are dead because of sin,

the bible says we who were dead in tresspasses and sin have been “made alive” in christ, together eith him, and in the spirit” (numerous passages)

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

the bible has terms for it

justified (declaired righteous)
Eternal life
redeemed
forgiven
adopted
saved

one of the best passages other than john 3 on new birth or regeneration is titus 3:5 where pauls says, “not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy, he saved us, by the washing and regeneration (new birth) of the holy spirit”

its not rocket science, it us the simplicity found in christ,

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matt. 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matt. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

The Word which became Flesh said this as well. Should we not examine?

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

and again;

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of (mans) works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained (Old paths where the good way is) that we should walk in them.

 

[graceNpeace]

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gee, this guy really is a sucker for punishment...

No worry - just another opportunity to present the Gospel - justification by grace through faith....

 

[Studyman]

Why do you not read,

jesus said the plain truth, why works are not the basis of salvation, faith is, many will come and try to tout there works as why jesus should let them in, and jesus will say depart from him.

True believers work, ut they are saved by faith alone. Period.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (transgression of God's Commandments)

Every religion has works EG, even yours.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gee, this guy really is a sucker for punishment...

No worry - just another opportunity to present the Gospel - justification by grace through faith....

some people are just not worth responding to,

 

[Studyman]

Gee, this guy really is a sucker for punishment...

No worry - just another opportunity to present the Gospel - justification by grace through faith....

Faith without works is dead.

 

[justsomeone123]

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (transgression of God's Commandments)

Every religion has works EG, even yours.

I'm assuming you didn't read what I posted a little earlier because you as well have cut off jesus from talking keep reading that paragraph