Works.. not what you've always heard.

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Jason1975

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John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

...so the "Works" means either being resurrected unto life or unto damnation... Works are very important.

Some try to say that works are of no value... And they reference of verse that they do not understand.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Let me explain...

In the days of Isaiah clothing was not mass produced. Every garment was hand made and took days and sometimes months (depending on the garment) to make. If ever some piece of garment was worn out so much that it could not be mended... it would be considered a rag... and it would only be considered a rag if it could be used for nothing else... but the purpose of such a seemingly worthless thing became a beautiful thing. ... it was used to clean things.

our sins make us dirty... and our good works are evidence of Christ getting to our hearts...

If you were standing next to a fresh pile of rags (possible works)... and you were covered in muck... it's using those possible works (righteously) ... "righteousnesses"... that makes the rags filthy... as you use them to clean yourself.
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Now... there are no number of rags that can make us entirely clean... it's like trying to use rags to clean away motor oil... even if you can't see it... you can smell it. It's there. You'll need soap.

Jesus is the soap... but better.

Just pray about it... apply this new thinking as you read Isaiah 64.. ponder and pray... and then reply. If you don't... it means there is a fresh rag just waiting to clean that gob of pride.

...after all... saying "works mean nothing... it's all about grace" and then saying "faith without works is dead"... is contradictory.

Us making use of those rags to clean ourselves says, "yes... I know I need Jesus, but I won't just sit back and be a sloth while he washes me... I'll help Him clean me."

This isn't an argument or debate.. this is my testimony.

Please know I am not snide in saying this... I simply love you enough to say what someone should have said a long time ago.
 
If it were a testimony you wouldn't feel the need to talk down about what others believe on a subject that's constantly argued about. You started yet another works thread. Trying to hide it behind the word "testimony" doesn't hide that fact.
If you're truly interested in posting your testimony it would be in the Testimony forums, and not need to knock others or focus on specific beliefs but share your experience.
 
I probably did it poorly.. but i stand by what i said.

I noticed your critique came before pondering and praying for an answer so you could comment on the content. Just try it... apply it when you read.. ask if it makes sense. What do you have to lose?
 
Some works will be of silver, and gold; this thread is of hay and straw.

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So will those rewards be to those which rely on their good works.
 
Relying on good works is what makes them of no value.. it's like saying "I'll be loving so I'll have a bigger mansion in heaven." Self-serving works are of no good to begin with... and relying on them makes them self-serving. That's part of the point.

But your hay and straw comment seemed witty at the time.. :/
 
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

...so the "Works" means either being resurrected unto life or unto damnation... Works are very important.

Some try to say that works are of no value... And they reference of verse that they do not understand.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Let me explain...

In the days of Isaiah clothing was not mass produced. Every garment was hand made and took days and sometimes months (depending on the garment) to make. If ever some piece of garment was worn out so much that it could not be mended... it would be considered a rag... and it would only be considered a rag if it could be used for nothing else... but the purpose of such a seemingly worthless thing became a beautiful thing. ... it was used to clean things.

our sins make us dirty... and our good works are evidence of Christ getting to our hearts...

If you were standing next to a fresh pile of rags (possible works)... and you were covered in muck... it's using those possible works (righteously) ... "righteousnesses"... that makes the rags filthy... as you use them to clean yourself.
.
Now... there are no number of rags that can make us entirely clean... it's like trying to use rags to clean away motor oil... even if you can't see it... you can smell it. It's there. You'll need soap.

Jesus is the soap... but better.

Just pray about it... apply this new thinking as you read Isaiah 64.. ponder and pray... and then reply. If you don't... it means there is a fresh rag just waiting to clean that gob of pride.

...after all... saying "works mean nothing... it's all about grace" and then saying "faith without works is dead"... is contradictory.

Us making use of those rags to clean ourselves says, "yes... I know I need Jesus, but I won't just sit back and be a sloth while he washes me... I'll help Him clean me."

This isn't an argument or debate.. this is my testimony.

Please know I am not snide in saying this... I simply love you enough to say what someone should have said a long time ago.


Welcome to CC.


It is God and God alone that makes and keeps us clean. Once we realize this it frees us to walk in the righteousness of God that is us hidden in Christ.
 
I agree... having the stink is still being "unclean."

But which is the better servant... the one that does something with what he is given? ... or the sloth that waits for his Lord to give grace with no effort on his part?
 
Now.. I'm going to sleep. Consider this food for thought.

Feel free to slam me as much as you like... :) good night all.

I do appologize if I offended anyone.

But still.. ponder and pray about the content of my post.

Good night all.
 
Please know I am not snide in saying this... I simply love you enough to say what someone should have said a long time ago.
With all due respect you are just cobbling together your own theology. When people are saved, they leave all their rags behind.
 
[FONT=&quot]You are spot on when you said salvation is apart from works. But God will bring us separate rewards for our works.
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Matt. 25:28, 29 "Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."

Matt. 25:21 "His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord."

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[FONT=&quot]Mark 9:41 "For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."[/FONT]
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