DON'T BE DUST-CONSCIOUS

[joaniemarie]

Something to also consider is when we are in the presense of Jesus reading the Word., AND recieving from the Holy Spirit the engrafted word... being filled with those rivers of living water as it flows in and through us by way of the Holy Spirit. It is then we will know how to walk as sons.

We will be learning each day to "distinguish" between the mind of the flesh and the mind of the spirit. Even when we are doing good works but doing those works in the flesh we will learn how to tell the difference and in JOY we are set free to walk in the spirit.

We will be able to SEE if we're basing our works in our own righteousness or the righteousness in Christ. We will come to know progressively as we come to the Word and submit to the HolySpirit when we are depending on the spirit to empower us to do the good works we are called to.

This is a life long process and one I didn't really begin to understand until age 50. I was not a Spirit lead Christian. Instead the flesh lead each day by it's own established righteousness and not the righteousness of Christ.

I followed a set of rules and regulations that were not from the new heart but tried to walk by the flesh (the old manner of life) to do works of the spirit. That is impossible.

The new heart we were given is one made in holiness and righteousness. It's called the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:1-2

8 Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus.



[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.

 

[joaniemarie]

I was about to give up on CC altogether, because of some horrible nastiness recently but this is what brings me back what you and Ralphie have written has put my attention back on the only person who is Worthy, Jesus.

His finished work is the source of all comfort and joy.

... Beautiful and uplifting

I know what you mean UnderGrace. I think when I come here on CC I get a dust mentality after a while trying to reason with other people who are against the free flowing work of the Holy Spirit. I fall into the same mentality and begin to get discouraged because I'm looking at me and my many lacks too.

You guys encourage me because you point to Jesus. He is the answer to all the problems and it's that simple. Life is complicated enough! Was just on another thread asking the question; what sin is the one that will send you to hell. It's the sin of unbelief in Jesus being THE WAY.....THE TRUTH....THE LIFE.

Everything else we have in Christ comes after that sure foundation. People are the ones who make this so complicated because as people., we are always tempted to see ourselves and each other and get our eyes off of Jesus.

Jesus can handle the wrong interpretations and the people who are angry or misunderstood. And when we are depending on Jesus., we can handle it too because it's Jesus working in us and through us. And it's Jesus who will work in and through others.

Gal.2:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes,

This statement really helped me understand sanctification better, and being in Christ.

Sanctification is an event first where we are separated unto Christ (our position) and made holy once and for all, and then it’s a process where we learn to live out of that position of holiness. The process doesn’t sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life.
Ryan Rufus

Learning to live out that Holiness, it is not our Holiness but His, when I understood this I finally put to rest the striving for something I could never be and was finally free in Christ, where I should have been all along.

Something to also consider is when we are in the presense of Jesus reading the Word., AND recieving from the Holy Spirit the engrafted word... being filled with those rivers of living water as it flows in and through us by way of the Holy Spirit. It is then we will know how to walk as sons.

We will be learning each day to "distinguish" between the mind of the flesh and the mind of the spirit. Even when we are doing good works but doing those works in the flesh we will learn how to tell the difference and in JOY we are set free to walk in the spirit.

We will be able to SEE if we're basing our works in our own righteousness or the righteousness in Christ. We will come to know progressively as we come to the Word and submit to the HolySpirit when we are depending on the spirit to empower us to do the good works we are called to.

This is a life long process and one I didn't really begin to understand until age 50. I was not a Spirit lead Christian. Instead the flesh lead each day by it's own established righteousness and not the righteousness of Christ.

I followed a set of rules and regulations that were not from the new heart but tried to walk by the flesh (the old manner of life) to do works of the spirit. That is impossible.

The new heart we were given is one made in holiness and righteousness. It's called the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:1-2

8 Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus.



[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.

 

[joaniemarie]

Yes,

This statement really helped me understand sanctification better, and being in Christ.

Sanctification is an event first where we are separated unto Christ (our position) and made holy once and for all, and then it’s a process where we learn to live out of that position of holiness. The process doesn’t sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life.
Ryan Rufus

Learning to live out that Holiness, it is not our Holiness but His, when I understood this I finally put to rest the striving for something I could never be and was finally free in Christ, where I should have been all along.

​AMEN!!!! AMEN!!! and AMEN!!!

 

[joaniemarie]

That is so true UnderGrace., That Ryan Rufus guy said it well too. I wonder if we will ever know how much other Christians who preach and teach and write actually have the power to encourage and uplift us in the faith? What a resource we all are to one another in the body of Christ!

I love how God has called us into fellowship and how we are meant to be iron sharpening iron as well as comforting with the comfort we have been comforted with.

"

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes, it is true it does tend to put the focus back on oneself, even though one does not start there, one ends up there if you know what I mean, with dust accumulating by the minute.

"Guard your heart" ...sound advice!!

Oh well, it is what it is.

Jesus is and always will be our "True North" to use a metaphor.

I know what you mean UnderGrace. I think when I come here on CC I get a dust mentality after a while trying to reason with other people who are against the free flowing work of the Holy Spirit. I fall into the same mentality and begin to get discouraged because I'm looking at me and my many lacks too.

You guys encourage me because you point to Jesus. He is the answer to all the problems and it's that simple. Life is complicated enough! Was just on another thread asking the question; what sin is the one that will send you to hell. It's the sin of unbelief in Jesus being THE WAY.....THE TRUTH....THE LIFE.

Everything else we have in Christ comes after that sure foundation. People are the ones who make this so complicated because as people., we are always tempted to see ourselves and each other and get our eyes off of Jesus.

Jesus can handle the wrong interpretations and the people who are angry or misunderstood. And when we are depending on Jesus., we can handle it too because it's Jesus working in us and through us. And it's Jesus who will work in and through others.

Gal.2:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

 

[Lewiz]

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Imagine being bowed over for 18 years. All you would see is the dust on the ground. That was the predicament of the woman in Luke 13. Dust was all her eyes fell on, all the time, everywhere she went, until she became dust-conscious. Thank God she finally saw the beautiful feet of Jesus, who brought her good news and raised her up.


Now, dust is the devil’s food. The Bible tells us that God cursed the devil to eat dust all the days of his life. (Genesis 3:14) Dust represents death. (Genesis 3:19) The devil wants you to be like him—to fall flat on your belly, crawl and eat dust. To eat dust is to feed on your shortcomings and lack, until you constantly feel that there is so much in your life that you need to clean up. You may not be physically bowed over, but like the woman, you become dust-conscious and life every day is a struggle.


Having a dust-consciousness also affects the way you see others. You look at people’s faults all the time. You point out their shortcomings and rake up their past failures. When you are dust-conscious, you find your relationships robbed of peace and joy.


And if you, like the woman, keep looking at the dust, before long, that inward position of dust-consciousness becomes so entrenched that you become the devil’s food because dust is what he eats. God’s Word describes him as being like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. (1 Peter 5:8)


If you don’t want to be devoured by him, then lift your eyes above the dust! Instead of looking at your failures, look to Christ who has delivered you from every defeat. See yourself the way God sees you—righteous and holy in Christ. (Colossians 3:12; 2 Corinthians 5:21) You are not dust because you are not in and of the flesh—you are in and of the Spirit. (Romans 8:9)


My friend, the more you realize who you are in Christ, the more you will straighten up and walk the way God sees you—a new creation with His authority, power and overcoming Spirit!



Destined To Reign Devotional J.Prince

You know, there's already a prophecy club on TV, maybe you guys ought to form the Eisegesis Club, because that's what you seem to specialize in.

There's nothing of any significance in scripture about being dust-conscious. NADA. ZILCH.

Everything in this devotional is fabricated, & every scripture has been twisted to confirm JP's story.

Jesus' writing on the ground doesn't have much importance in His story either, otherwise it would have been explained. What matters most is what He said.

Instead of capitalizing on the absolutes of scripture, people try to create new teachings based on vague phrases.

 

[Lewiz]

1Tim 1:3 As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, 4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship[SUP]a[/SUP] from God that is by faith. 5The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, 7desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There's nothing of any significance in scripture about being dust-conscious. NADA. ZILCH.

Everything in this devotional is fabricated, & every scripture has been twisted to confirm JP's story.

That is Prince's typical MO, but don't expect joaniemarie to give heed to what you have said. She rather enjoys provoking other Christians, which as we know is a work of the flesh.

 

[UnderGrace]

Jesus writing on the ground is very significant otherwise it would not been included in the telling of the story.

Jesus spoke in parables.

Have you never studied literature, art?

Do you not know how allegory, analogy metaphors, comparisons etc., are a method of revealing truth.

Are we all to speak in the exact same format and drain the life out of creative insights that scripture brings to us.

If one's field of vision is the ground then it stands to reason you are going to be mostly aware of the dirt on the ground.

We had a wonderful conversation with posthuman on a parallel concept and it was very applicable.

My goodness,

You know, there's already a prophecy club on TV, maybe you guys ought to form the Eisegesis Club, because that's what you seem to specialize in.

There's nothing of any significance in scripture about being dust-conscious. NADA. ZILCH.

Everything in this devotional is fabricated, & every scripture has been twisted to confirm JP's story.

Jesus' writing on the ground doesn't have much importance in His story either, otherwise it would have been explained. What matters most is what He said.

Instead of capitalizing on the absolutes of scripture, people try to create new teachings based on vague phrases.

 

[UnderGrace]

Not applicable.

1Tim 1:3 As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, 4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship[SUP]a[/SUP] from God that is by faith. 5The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, 7desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.

 

[Lewiz]

Jesus writing on the ground is very significant otherwise it would not been included in the telling of the story.

Jesus spoke in parables.

Have you never studied literature, art?

Do you not know how allegory, analogy metaphors, comparisons etc., are a method of revealing truth.

Are we all to speak in the exact same format and drain the life out of creative insights that scripture brings to us.

If one's field of vision is the ground then it stands to reason you are going to be mostly aware of the dirt on the ground.

We had a wonderful conversation with posthuman on a parallel concept and it was very applicable.

My goodness,

And after all that yada-yada you still can't tell me what it means.

My goodness.

 

[Lewiz]

Not applicable.

Explain how it's not, then.

 

[UnderGrace]

Oh I see ....problem solved read the whole thread.

And after all that yada-yada you still can't tell me what it means.

My goodness.

 

[UnderGrace]

There is entire cultural piece here that needs to be considered.

The church was being sidetracked by legends and imaginary lineages about the Patriarchs and others of the Old Testament.
It was the emergence of a pre-gnostic belief that there was some special power in this mystic discourse which was also tied into the giving of the Law

As well, the whole point was that those discussions about imaginary lineages was of no use to the church

I so no relevance to this devotional

Explain how it's not, then.

 

[Lewiz]

There is entire cultural piece here that needs to be considered.

The church was being sidetracked by legends and imaginary lineages about the Patriarchs and others of the Old Testament.
It was the emergence of a pre-gnostic belief that there was some special power in this mystic discourse which was also tied into the giving of the Law

As well, the whole point was that those discussions about imaginary lineages was of no use to the church

I so no relevance to this devotional

Thank you. That was what I was waiting for.

Anyone who knows that much about the scriptures would easily discern this thread to be eisegesis.

You are hereby busted.

 

[UnderGrace]

If you say so.

I think the devotional generated good discussion all based upon biblical principles.

Thank you. That was what I was waiting for.

Anyone who knows that much about the scriptures would easily discern this thread to be eisegesis.

You are hereby busted.

 

[Ralph-]

There's nothing of any significance in scripture about being dust-conscious. NADA. ZILCH.

You mean NOT being dust-conscious, of course.

The Bible does tell us to be heavenly minded, not earthly minded:

"2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things."-Colossians 3:2

 

[joaniemarie]

You know, there's already a prophecy club on TV, maybe you guys ought to form the Eisegesis Club, because that's what you seem to specialize in.

There's nothing of any significance in scripture about being dust-conscious. NADA. ZILCH.

Everything in this devotional is fabricated, & every scripture has been twisted to confirm JP's story.

Jesus' writing on the ground doesn't have much importance in His story either, otherwise it would have been explained. What matters most is what He said.

Instead of capitalizing on the absolutes of scripture, people try to create new teachings based on vague phrases.

Well if you and Nehemiah can't find anything benificial about this thread why are you both joining in and putting it down? Why not go find another thread that is actually discussing something you enjoy and can relate to?

You can't relate to the ideas shared here about how dust has to do with the flesh and how us Christians need to instead have a Jesus centered life and not a flesh centered one?

And how having a flesh centered life causes one to see the faults and failures of not only ourselves but others. It causes us to live by sight and not by faith. These are issues many Christians deal with even if guys such as yourselves have no problem in those areas.

I guess you guys are so spiritually mature you have no need for such foolishness. Maybe you can start some threads that will help others of your own maturity and wisdom? Maybe your time would be better spent doing that rather than trying to put others down for not being as spiritually mature as you. It's a suggestion I'm hoping you will take to heart.

 

[Lewiz]

Well if you and Nehemiah can't find anything benificial about this thread why are you both joining in and putting it down? Why not go find another thread that is actually discussing something you enjoy and can relate to?

Because this thread spreads eisegesis & eisegesis is false teaching.
Eph 5:11
New International Version
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
New Living Translation
Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.
English Standard Version
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Berean Study Bible
Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Berean Literal Bible
And do not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even expose them.
New American Standard Bible
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

You can't relate to the ideas shared here about how dust has to do with the flesh and how us Christians need to instead have a Jesus centered life and not a flesh centered one?
And how having a flesh centered life causes one to see the faults and failures of not only ourselves but others. It causes us to live by sight and not by faith. These are issues many Christians deal with even if guys such as yourselves have no problem in those areas.

The scripture Joseph Prince used was stripped of its original meaning & replaced with "dust consciousness"

Luke 13
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11And there was a woman who for eighteen years had had a sickness caused by a spirit; and she was bent double, and could not straighten up at all. 12When Jesus saw her, He called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your sickness.” 13And He laid His hands on her; and immediately she was made erect again and began glorifying God. 14But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, “There are six days in which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day.”15But the Lord answered him and said, “You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him?16“And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?” 17As He said this, all His opponents were being humiliated; and the entire crowd was rejoicing over all the glorious things being done by Him.

The verses are all about Jesus who delivered a true daughter of Abraham whom Satan had bound.

It had NOTHING o do with her following after her flesh. She was bound, & Jesus set her free.

Just goes to show that Joseph Prince knows nothing about the Bible but making up stories.

I guess you guys are so spiritually mature you have no need for such foolishness. Maybe you can start some threads that will help others of your own maturity and wisdom? Maybe your time would be better spent doing that rather than trying to put others down for not being as spiritually mature as you. It's a suggestion I'm hoping you will take to heart.

It IS foolishness.