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Phil you must read a very different bible then I do to make these kinds of
claims, or are you being naive enough to think that your opinion on the god
Head is fact. Factual enough to say that a person is not a christain unless
they believe exactly what you believe.
To teach a concept like that would be heresy.
claims, or are you being naive enough to think that your opinion on the god
Head is fact. Factual enough to say that a person is not a christain unless
they believe exactly what you believe.
To teach a concept like that would be heresy.
The gosple according to Oneness pentecostals is this.
1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died for our sins, and rose again assuring us resurrection from the dead. The gospel is the gospel regardless of your understanding of the God-head.
P.S. I read the link and this is pentecostal holiness. Many holiness trinitarians have the same restriction.
Furthermore me and my wife do not. she were pants hardly ever a dress ect....
Your understanding of the God-head is only one do doctrine it need not be intertwined with the rest of that stuff as you claim.
1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died for our sins, and rose again assuring us resurrection from the dead. The gospel is the gospel regardless of your understanding of the God-head.
P.S. I read the link and this is pentecostal holiness. Many holiness trinitarians have the same restriction.
Furthermore me and my wife do not. she were pants hardly ever a dress ect....
Your understanding of the God-head is only one do doctrine it need not be intertwined with the rest of that stuff as you claim.
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The concept of oneness and superior position of the father as the only true God does not negate that there are relationships between God and His son whom was the Word made flesh in Mary's womb. Jesus declared the Father is greater than I am. Jesus was around before the foundations of the world just as we were Ephesians 1. The "our" of Genesis is the figure of speech known as a royal we. God marking the significance of the creation in His image with the act of speaking not just for himself but also as the king of the kingdom. The position that at that time had to be filled by Him as the previous holder of that spot transgressed against God by thinking that position made one equal with God. It did not then and it still does not now. Lucifer made that error, Jesus does not. God the father remains Supreme. He is the creator not Jesus. He is Jehovah not Jesus. The translators of the KJV were not without error. They were free with punctuation to support their theology ignoring the facts See Lk 23:43 the comma should be after the word today not before it as Jesus did not go to paradise that day unless you think the grave is paradise. And if Jesus did not go to the grave that day all believing in his name is vain I Co 15:14 I could list many other differences between Jesus and his God but I fear it would make this post too long. Jesus declared God to be his Father and the Father does not claim to be His own son. God is not the Author of confusion. Violating the rules of Math is confusing at best. God sent His Son not Himself. God speaking from heaven did not say this is me hear ye me. Was Gethsemane all for show? Not my will but my other will be done? I do not think so. No man has seen God at any time but thousands saw Jesus or are all the people in the gospels make believe and so don't count. If you don't let the scriptures speak for themselves you can read into them anything you want. The gospel is to be so simple that even a fool need not error therein. Jesus had to be able to die to be the one who fulfilled the plan of salvation. God cannot die, is not a man, cannot be tempted, knows all, is invisible, reserves His right to remain the one and only true God. Jesus did not pray give me your glory rather he claimed his own as he had in God's foreknowledge. Which glory by the way we will share. Do we become God too when we are glorified? Again I do not think so. Yet we shall be like him. I fail to find trinity or three in one being a concept even once described in the scriptures. If Mt 28 was the great commission as some teach why is it never recorded as being carried out. I submit that the end of a book is perhaps the easiest place to squeeze in an addition to the text. The earliest copies of that text are from the fifth century after all. 100 years after the three in one God concept was started to be argued over amongst Christians. And King James I Jn 5:7 is so universally rejected from being scriptural it is not once repeated in another English translation. Selah , which I was taught means think on these things.
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The Gospel according Oneness Pentecostals is to deny the person of God the Father and the person of God the Holy Spirit and twist scripture to make everything conform to their false assertion that only Jesus exists as God.
I was sharing the testimony of a previously deceived Oneness person who had found his way out of the deception of Oneness Doctrine into the truth. Specifically, the parts where he states "I had forced the whole Bible to conform to my own misguided preconception. In light of this highly significant passage, the whole message of the Bible, including Acts 2:38, became startlingly clear. I realized that I had fully embraced "another gospel" than the one in the Bible!" And so he had... fallen for another Gospel as have all those who trade an accurate scriptural understanding of the God for Oneness heresy.
As this ex-Oneness sect member states after showing the error of Oneness and their misunderstanding and false assertion that the Trinitarian view of the Godhead is pure tritheism, "Now that we've examined the heart of Oneness Pentecostalism's error, we can more easily understand some of the other "bitter fruit" that grows out of this false gospel."
Praise the Lord that he is now in the truth and walking in the light of God and no longer believing and teaching a false gospel. Praise God for that.
God is waiting for you too forerunner to come out of the deception and into the truth. As he states, "The real truth of Christianity is greater and more powerful than any counterfeit, no matter how "right" it may now seem. I pray that you will discover that for yourself."
Come out forerunner... come out of heresy into the truth.
The Gospel According to Oneness Pentecostalism
I was sharing the testimony of a previously deceived Oneness person who had found his way out of the deception of Oneness Doctrine into the truth. Specifically, the parts where he states "I had forced the whole Bible to conform to my own misguided preconception. In light of this highly significant passage, the whole message of the Bible, including Acts 2:38, became startlingly clear. I realized that I had fully embraced "another gospel" than the one in the Bible!" And so he had... fallen for another Gospel as have all those who trade an accurate scriptural understanding of the God for Oneness heresy.
As this ex-Oneness sect member states after showing the error of Oneness and their misunderstanding and false assertion that the Trinitarian view of the Godhead is pure tritheism, "Now that we've examined the heart of Oneness Pentecostalism's error, we can more easily understand some of the other "bitter fruit" that grows out of this false gospel."
Praise the Lord that he is now in the truth and walking in the light of God and no longer believing and teaching a false gospel. Praise God for that.
God is waiting for you too forerunner to come out of the deception and into the truth. As he states, "The real truth of Christianity is greater and more powerful than any counterfeit, no matter how "right" it may now seem. I pray that you will discover that for yourself."
Come out forerunner... come out of heresy into the truth.
The Gospel According to Oneness Pentecostalism
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The Gospel is The Death The Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Who is All the Fullness of the Godhead Bodily.
How is it a different Gospel? I believe you have some very twisted views on what Pentecostals believe, and don't appreciate all the negativity and name calling against it. I believe we should think before we type. We will be judged on this. We are to love each other. This topic is getting very heated and I think it should take a rest for the time being. Before someone does or says something that they will regret when judgment day comes.
How is it a different Gospel? I believe you have some very twisted views on what Pentecostals believe, and don't appreciate all the negativity and name calling against it. I believe we should think before we type. We will be judged on this. We are to love each other. This topic is getting very heated and I think it should take a rest for the time being. Before someone does or says something that they will regret when judgment day comes.
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You deny the person of God the Father and the person of God the Holy Spirit and falsely assert that Jesus only is all three: hence the name Oneness.
The "Oneness" teaching rejects the Trinitarian concept of three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead and claims instead that Jesus alone is the one God of the Bible. It is this Jesus who reveals himself in different forms, or "modes", at different times, as Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. All three are simply the same person, Jesus, appearing in the "mode" appropriate to the occasion.
This counterfeit Christ is both Father and Son at the same time. Although He is spoken of as a "man", He is in truth, unlike any other man who has ever lived, in that He has two separate natures, one human, one divine. He was confined to earth as a man, and yet at the same time, in Heaven and omnipresent as God.
As the "human" Jesus He worships and prays to the divinity within Himself.
On the cross only His human nature "died", since in His second divine nature, as God, He could not die.
The temptation of Jesus in the wilderness is made into a total farce. They say that although His human nature was tempted, He could not sin at all because of His second divine nature.
Because of their belief in only one person as God, these churches usually also insist that baptism "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit", (Matt 28,19), is not valid. To be acceptable to their "oneness" God (and to these men) it must be "in the name of Jesus" (only). Anyone baptised in the threefold name of "Father, Son and Holy Spirit", must renounce that baptism and be rebaptised with the right words said over them, before they can be regarded as really baptised.
However, even then, salvation is not complete and the new birth is not regarded as accomplished until the person concerned has spoken in tongues, as evidence of their "Baptism with the Holy Spirit". For honest hearts, this "Oneness" doctrine is sadly lacking in logic.
For eyes and ears open to simple Bible truth, this Jesus simply cannot be a REAL MAN. The Oneness churches do pay lip service to the word "man" in relation to Jesus, but no matter how we attempt to rationalise this, their two natured Jesus is actually a God, very different to other men. Their Jesus is in reality, a modern version of that first century spirit of Antichrist, which is the subject of John's first and second epistles.
John uses hard words about this. So must we. But let us be careful to use those words from John's epistle reluctantly, cautiously, and in love, without hatred or bitterness.
To put it simply, using John's words, the Oneness teaching about the person of Jesus, IS A LIE which denies both the real meaning of the relationship between Father and Son, and the true identity of the Christ. (1 John 2,22)
John says very bluntly that no such lie is of the Truth, (1 John 2,21), and that any spirit which insists that Jesus is not really a man, is NOT the Spirit of Truth, but is instead, the Spirit of Error. (1 John 4,6)
Another Jesus and another gospel. Come out of the error into the truth.
Only Jesus?
The "Oneness" teaching rejects the Trinitarian concept of three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead and claims instead that Jesus alone is the one God of the Bible. It is this Jesus who reveals himself in different forms, or "modes", at different times, as Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. All three are simply the same person, Jesus, appearing in the "mode" appropriate to the occasion.
This counterfeit Christ is both Father and Son at the same time. Although He is spoken of as a "man", He is in truth, unlike any other man who has ever lived, in that He has two separate natures, one human, one divine. He was confined to earth as a man, and yet at the same time, in Heaven and omnipresent as God.
As the "human" Jesus He worships and prays to the divinity within Himself.
On the cross only His human nature "died", since in His second divine nature, as God, He could not die.
The temptation of Jesus in the wilderness is made into a total farce. They say that although His human nature was tempted, He could not sin at all because of His second divine nature.
Because of their belief in only one person as God, these churches usually also insist that baptism "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit", (Matt 28,19), is not valid. To be acceptable to their "oneness" God (and to these men) it must be "in the name of Jesus" (only). Anyone baptised in the threefold name of "Father, Son and Holy Spirit", must renounce that baptism and be rebaptised with the right words said over them, before they can be regarded as really baptised.
However, even then, salvation is not complete and the new birth is not regarded as accomplished until the person concerned has spoken in tongues, as evidence of their "Baptism with the Holy Spirit". For honest hearts, this "Oneness" doctrine is sadly lacking in logic.
For eyes and ears open to simple Bible truth, this Jesus simply cannot be a REAL MAN. The Oneness churches do pay lip service to the word "man" in relation to Jesus, but no matter how we attempt to rationalise this, their two natured Jesus is actually a God, very different to other men. Their Jesus is in reality, a modern version of that first century spirit of Antichrist, which is the subject of John's first and second epistles.
John uses hard words about this. So must we. But let us be careful to use those words from John's epistle reluctantly, cautiously, and in love, without hatred or bitterness.
To put it simply, using John's words, the Oneness teaching about the person of Jesus, IS A LIE which denies both the real meaning of the relationship between Father and Son, and the true identity of the Christ. (1 John 2,22)
John says very bluntly that no such lie is of the Truth, (1 John 2,21), and that any spirit which insists that Jesus is not really a man, is NOT the Spirit of Truth, but is instead, the Spirit of Error. (1 John 4,6)
Another Jesus and another gospel. Come out of the error into the truth.
Only Jesus?
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That doesn't say anything about how it is a different Gospel. The Gospel of Christ is the Death the Burial and Resurrection.
If you would look at it gramatically it says to Baptize in the NAME. Singularity, nor plural, Which is why we see in the Bible that no one was ever Baptized using the Titles Father Son and Holy Ghost, because they are not names, but titles.
If you were to show these two scriptures to a 2nd grader even they could figure this out, and as we all know we are supposed to have faith as Children do.
It isn't rocket science. But I believe that some of these posts are being used as a way to attack rather than to shed light. They are going to end up doing more damage then they will good.
If you would look at it gramatically it says to Baptize in the NAME. Singularity, nor plural, Which is why we see in the Bible that no one was ever Baptized using the Titles Father Son and Holy Ghost, because they are not names, but titles.
If you were to show these two scriptures to a 2nd grader even they could figure this out, and as we all know we are supposed to have faith as Children do.
It isn't rocket science. But I believe that some of these posts are being used as a way to attack rather than to shed light. They are going to end up doing more damage then they will good.
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At the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 316-17), all three members of the Trinity were present together: "As soon as Jesus [Son] was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God [Spirit] descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven [Father] said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"
The person of God the Father spoke to the person of God the Son (e.g. Jesus Christ) at his baptism. You're nonsense that these are titles speaking to each other is about what I would expect from a 2nd grader.
Matthew 28:18-20 states, "Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.'"
As every respectable mainstream Christian scholar will tell: a proper handling of scripture as well as Apostolic tradition and early church practice all refute the onesness doctrine heresy which began when John G. Scheppe revealed that during his night of meditation it was revealed to him that baptism must be done "in the name of Jesus only" and not "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." He surrounded himself with a few like minded individuals and in 1916 yet another homegrown American cult was born.
At the baptism ofJesus (Matt. 3:16-17), all three members of the Trinity were present together: "As soon as Jesus [Son] was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God [Spirit] descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven [Father] said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"
Jesus saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, or as a dove, and coming or lighting upon him. Christ saw it (Mk 1:10) and John saw it (Jn 1:33, 34), and since it was to be the Christ's public inauguration it is reasonable to assume the bystanders saw it as well.
This is the same Spirit of God that moved upon the face of the waters (Genesis 1:2) and it was foretold in the Old Testament that "the Spirit of the Lord should rest upon him" (Isa. 11:2, 61:1), and here He certainly did.
Now God the son didn't speak when God the father was speaking because it would have been inappropriate to do so as any communications 101 professor would explain.
Furthermore, stating that The sole purpose of The Father creating The Body Jesus ( The son) was to be a one-time only perfect sacrifice for everybody's sins at Calvary" constitutes but a myopic false assertion.
The life of the person of Jesus in bodily form accomplished many things including fulfilling OT prophecy and living out a ministry in service that communicated a message which profits authentic Christians to this day... meaning those who don't run after the strange heresy of cult leaders anyways.
What John Scheppe should have been doing besides meditating and the twisting scripture to conform with his meditations was to study God's Word as it is. If he had done that, he would have discovered that prophets always spoke by the Spirit of God who came upon them (unlike cult founders who twist scripture into strange heretical doctrines which contradict not only scripture and logic but also each other) and Christ executed the prophetic office after this point.
Repeating for emphasis: In the baptismal formula (Matt. 28:19) it places all three under one "name" (singular), saying: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
Likewise, in an apostolic benediction (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14), all three names are present together. Paul prayed, "May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ [Son], and the love of God [Father], and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit [Spirit] be with you all."
All of these passages and many more indicate that there are three different and distinct persons who exist simultaneously and eternally and who share one and the same essence or nature. This is in stark contrast to Oneness Doctrine heresy. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that.
The person of God the Father spoke to the person of God the Son (e.g. Jesus Christ) at his baptism. You're nonsense that these are titles speaking to each other is about what I would expect from a 2nd grader.
Matthew 28:18-20 states, "Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.'"
As every respectable mainstream Christian scholar will tell: a proper handling of scripture as well as Apostolic tradition and early church practice all refute the onesness doctrine heresy which began when John G. Scheppe revealed that during his night of meditation it was revealed to him that baptism must be done "in the name of Jesus only" and not "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." He surrounded himself with a few like minded individuals and in 1916 yet another homegrown American cult was born.
At the baptism ofJesus (Matt. 3:16-17), all three members of the Trinity were present together: "As soon as Jesus [Son] was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God [Spirit] descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven [Father] said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"
Jesus saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, or as a dove, and coming or lighting upon him. Christ saw it (Mk 1:10) and John saw it (Jn 1:33, 34), and since it was to be the Christ's public inauguration it is reasonable to assume the bystanders saw it as well.
This is the same Spirit of God that moved upon the face of the waters (Genesis 1:2) and it was foretold in the Old Testament that "the Spirit of the Lord should rest upon him" (Isa. 11:2, 61:1), and here He certainly did.
Now God the son didn't speak when God the father was speaking because it would have been inappropriate to do so as any communications 101 professor would explain.
Furthermore, stating that The sole purpose of The Father creating The Body Jesus ( The son) was to be a one-time only perfect sacrifice for everybody's sins at Calvary" constitutes but a myopic false assertion.
The life of the person of Jesus in bodily form accomplished many things including fulfilling OT prophecy and living out a ministry in service that communicated a message which profits authentic Christians to this day... meaning those who don't run after the strange heresy of cult leaders anyways.
What John Scheppe should have been doing besides meditating and the twisting scripture to conform with his meditations was to study God's Word as it is. If he had done that, he would have discovered that prophets always spoke by the Spirit of God who came upon them (unlike cult founders who twist scripture into strange heretical doctrines which contradict not only scripture and logic but also each other) and Christ executed the prophetic office after this point.
Repeating for emphasis: In the baptismal formula (Matt. 28:19) it places all three under one "name" (singular), saying: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
Likewise, in an apostolic benediction (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14), all three names are present together. Paul prayed, "May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ [Son], and the love of God [Father], and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit [Spirit] be with you all."
All of these passages and many more indicate that there are three different and distinct persons who exist simultaneously and eternally and who share one and the same essence or nature. This is in stark contrast to Oneness Doctrine heresy. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that.
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I would never choose your ''truth'' over God's Word.
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The gosple according to Oneness pentecostals is this.
1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died for our sins, and rose again assuring us resurrection from the dead. The gospel is the gospel regardless of your understanding of the God-head.
The gosple according to Oneness pentecostals is this.
1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died for our sins, and rose again assuring us resurrection from the dead. The gospel is the gospel regardless of your understanding of the God-head.
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God is a Spirit and is invisible.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit:
Col 1:15 Who[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God
We See Scripture say here that God is a Spirit, and God doesn't have an image, however Jesus is God's Image!
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
In Jesus dwells ALL the FULLNESS of the GODHEAD Bodily. The Godhead is already all and full, why put them emphasis on it that in him dwells all the Godhead?
There are certain things we can not and will not be able to explain or understand until that which is perfect is come. IE why Jesus prayed in the garden, or why a voice came from heaven after he was Baptized.
(oh and wasn't Jesus filled with the Holy Ghost from his Mother's womb? Since the Spirit of God impregnated Mary?)
But last time I checked you can't go to the bank and say can I speak with The Father, or the Son, or Brother etc... Because no one will know what you are talking about. But if you go and say Can I speak with Joe Schmoe then they will understand. And Joe will probably be all of these three titles, but still be one man.
But when he is a Father he is going to act differently then he would if he was playing the role of a brother. These are roles not names.
Jesus is the everlasting Father(Isa 9:6) he is Emmanuel which means God with us.
The Beginning and the ending the First and the last, the alpha and omega, all things were created by him and for him.
Also I would greatly appreciate you stop calling what I believe a cult. I have made no personal attacks on here on anyones faith, everything I am saying I am saying with Love. Not to prove I'm right or to throw it in one's face.
But is no need in making attacks or calling down each other's beliefs. If I have offended anyone, I am greatly sorry and I never meant to.
However, if this goes on much longer, someone is going to get hurt, and God would not want that.
Good Night, good bye, and God Bless you all.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit:
Col 1:15 Who[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God
We See Scripture say here that God is a Spirit, and God doesn't have an image, however Jesus is God's Image!
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
In Jesus dwells ALL the FULLNESS of the GODHEAD Bodily. The Godhead is already all and full, why put them emphasis on it that in him dwells all the Godhead?
There are certain things we can not and will not be able to explain or understand until that which is perfect is come. IE why Jesus prayed in the garden, or why a voice came from heaven after he was Baptized.
(oh and wasn't Jesus filled with the Holy Ghost from his Mother's womb? Since the Spirit of God impregnated Mary?)
But last time I checked you can't go to the bank and say can I speak with The Father, or the Son, or Brother etc... Because no one will know what you are talking about. But if you go and say Can I speak with Joe Schmoe then they will understand. And Joe will probably be all of these three titles, but still be one man.
But when he is a Father he is going to act differently then he would if he was playing the role of a brother. These are roles not names.
Jesus is the everlasting Father(Isa 9:6) he is Emmanuel which means God with us.
The Beginning and the ending the First and the last, the alpha and omega, all things were created by him and for him.
Also I would greatly appreciate you stop calling what I believe a cult. I have made no personal attacks on here on anyones faith, everything I am saying I am saying with Love. Not to prove I'm right or to throw it in one's face.
But is no need in making attacks or calling down each other's beliefs. If I have offended anyone, I am greatly sorry and I never meant to.
However, if this goes on much longer, someone is going to get hurt, and God would not want that.
Good Night, good bye, and God Bless you all.
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I see my earlier response has been removed and it seems to me that the comments above are different than the ones I read earlier. It seems the oneness doctrine I am familiar with and the oneness talked above are on different members of the traditional trinity. My one God was the Father, not the Son. I hope that is why my response was removed in that it was not on subject, not because I did not have a point of view to express. I am sorry not to have caught the right thread. Perhaps this other oneness doctrine will get an airing some day. I still say there are too many differences for the Father and the son to be one and the same based on the Scriptures.
For my part, I said earlier in this thread that I am neither a modalist nor an adoptionist, and yet I hold to Oneness doctrine. So far as I can see no one has cared to ask how this can be and what I believe. In spite of the fact that no one has sought to understand, I've been called a heretic repeatedly and told by several people that I am not saved. So those like Phil, David (Charis), and AoK who condemn my beliefs do so only because they know it isn't the same as theirs, not because they have any idea what I really believe.
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I went through every post on this thread to find out the source of your distress toward me. I am very puzzled. Outside of disagreeing with you, what have I done to harm you. Here is the list, please let me know: 94, 108, 110, 112, 116, 117, 122, 124, 126, 133, 137, 143, 145, 147, 161, 168, 182, 188, 190, 200, 204, 206, 209, 218, 221, 227, 231, 237, 238, 241, 260, 291, 292, 294, 297, 299, 304, 327, 351, 383, 433, and 435.
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I have not said that you did. Only that Oneness heresy is, by definition, a twisted theology and that its supporters will misuse history to try to support their position just like they misuse scripture to try and support it.
My statement was of a general nature and not tailored specifically for you. Feel free to disregard anything that doesn't apply to you.
And have a great day
In fact, let's both have a great day
My statement was of a general nature and not tailored specifically for you. Feel free to disregard anything that doesn't apply to you.
And have a great day
In fact, let's both have a great day
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