Oh goody another OSAS thread!
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No, you never listen do you?
I stated a fact, that abraham had no child when god accounted him to be righteous (justified him) as james quoted, abraham believed god, and it was acredited to him as righteous,
Go back and read my post, i pasted the passage when god actially made this declaration.
Or here, i will post it again, will you read it? Or continue to ignore it?
15 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, [a]your exceedingly great reward.”
2 But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I [b]go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one[c] born in my house is my heir!”
4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.” 5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
I stated a fact, that abraham had no child when god accounted him to be righteous (justified him) as james quoted, abraham believed god, and it was acredited to him as righteous,
Go back and read my post, i pasted the passage when god actially made this declaration.
Or here, i will post it again, will you read it? Or continue to ignore it?
15 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, [a]your exceedingly great reward.”
2 But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I [b]go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one[c] born in my house is my heir!”
4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.” 5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
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This is not a "works vs faith" situation.
Gen 4:
2) And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Abel was a shepard, Cain was a farmer. Cain did not have sheep to offer.
3) And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4) And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5) But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Notice it says Cain brought "of the fruit of the ground", not "of the fruit of his works".
The reason God rejected Cain's offering was he just gave some of what he had, while Abel gave some of the best of what he had ("firstlings" and "fat").
Cain's heart was not in it, while Abel's was.
Gen 4:
2) And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Abel was a shepard, Cain was a farmer. Cain did not have sheep to offer.
3) And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4) And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5) But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Notice it says Cain brought "of the fruit of the ground", not "of the fruit of his works".
The reason God rejected Cain's offering was he just gave some of what he had, while Abel gave some of the best of what he had ("firstlings" and "fat").
Cain's heart was not in it, while Abel's was.
No, because without faith it’s impossible to please God no matter how many so-called good things an unbeliever tries to conjure up through the flesh in a vain attempt to be saved by works. In the end, God will see the righteousness of unbelievers as filthy rags, unlike believers who receive God’s imputed righteousness (Romans 4:5-6: Philippians 3:9).
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As I said before, confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together (Romans 10:8-10). Also, this confession is an expression of faith, not a work for salvation. The word of faith is in our mouth and in our heart TOGETHER. That's the point. Not that believing in Christ is insufficient to save until we accomplish confession as a work of merit for salvation afterwards in order to become saved. If that was the case, then these passages of scripture would be a lie - John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31 etc..
The church of Christ teaches a 4 to 5 step plan of salvation that is a subtle mixture of faith and works which is a perversion of the gospel.
The church of Christ teaches a 4 to 5 step plan of salvation that is a subtle mixture of faith and works which is a perversion of the gospel.
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