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Miri

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meanwhile, many times a week, I read stories about all the crimes that the muslims comment. and you think tommy robinson and maybe folks like paul joseph Watson, who sound the alarm against them, are an issue.

not being there, and you are, I get that you know more that I and those hear in the states. but, I would say to you and others- do not loe sight of who is trying to help and who is not.
The conversation wasn’t about the Muslims. There is a saying two
wrongs don’t make a right. The conversation we had was about the EDL.

They are an offshoot of what was called the BNP, the British Nazi Party.
Or British National Party as they preferred to be called later.
 

gb9

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The conversation wasn’t about the Muslims. There is a saying two
wrongs don’t make a right. The conversation we had was about the EDL.

They are an offshoot of what was called the BNP, the British Nazi Party.
Or British National Party as they preferred to be called later.
tommy went to jail for covering a child grooming case, where muslims were trafficking kids. so, yes, he was arrested for being anti-muslim.


look, I like you, your posts, you seem to be a nice lady. i'm not trying to say I know about Britain than you. I do know that ya'll better be worried about what your government is doing, hand in hand with the nice friendly immigrants.
 
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Miri

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tommy went to jail for covering a child grooming case, where muslims were trafficking kids. so, yes, he was arrested for being anti-muslim.


look, I like you, your posts, you seem to be a nice lady. i'm not trying to say I know about Britain than you. I do know that ya'll better be worried about what your government is doing, hand in hand with the nice friendly immigrants.

Hi if you read me earlier posts to Joan you will see why he went to jail. It
was contempt of court. He videod part of the case and put an hours worth of
footage on YouTube despite being warned not to do so. Now it’s jepordised the
original trial and it could mean a retrial at a cost of hundreds of thousands of
pounds. What if that happened in America just out of interest?

Yes we all want the original case to be heard and that person brought to trial.
A fair trial etc. What we don’t need is people causing disruptions in the criminal
proceedings. If you see the links I posted above you will also see that Tommy is
no angel he has various criminal convictions and he is not exactly an up standing
citizen either.

I was trying to explain that Tommy and the EDL are not some sort of superman
hero’s incarcerated for doing the right thing, they are thugs and holligans in
their own right too.
 
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Miri

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We actually don’t have that many problems with the majority of
immigrants. Yes there have been some terrible things happen, and
not just in this country but Europe and America. And yes they are awful and
it is right those people should be brought to justice and kicked out of the
country.

Unfortunately as we are part of the EU it’s very hard to get these criminals
out of the country, That’s why the majority including me, voted for Brexit.

However they are a minority, the majority of immigrants are normal
every day people.

I go to a church which has Christians from over 50 different nationalities.

I think another poster tanku also from the UK, mentioned the
majority of our immigrants are from Poland (over a million) chezch
Republic, Pakistan, India, Africa etc. Most are hard working although even in the
EU groups like the polish. There seems to be a die hard minority group who
don’t respect the law.

But back to my original point the EDL is not exactly the sort of group
you would want to support and they are no angels.
 

gb9

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We actually don’t have that many problems with the majority of
immigrants. Yes there have been some terrible things happen, and
not just in this country but Europe and America. And yes they are awful and
it is right those people should be brought to justice and kicked out of the
country.

Unfortunately as we are part of the EU it’s very hard to get these criminals
out of the country, That’s why the majority including me, voted for Brexit.

However they are a minority, the majority of immigrants are normal
every day people.

I go to a church which has Christians from over 50 different nationalities.

I think another poster tanku also from the UK, mentioned the
majority of our immigrants are from Poland (over a million) chezch
Republic, Pakistan, India, Africa etc. Most are hard working although even in the
EU groups like the polish. There seems to be a die hard minority group who
don’t respect the law.

But back to my original point the EDL is not exactly the sort of group
you would want to support and they are no angels.
I see your point. I am not anti-immigrant , I am anti- a barbarous religion taking over. if folks go to a new country that is not like theirs, they can have traditions, but they also need to respect the country they are in. that is my point.

so, I see what you are saying. I hope you see what I am. God Bless!
 
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Miri

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I see your point. I am not anti-immigrant , I am anti- a barbarous religion taking over. if folks go to a new country that is not like theirs, they can have traditions, but they also need to respect the country they are in. that is my point.

so, I see what you are saying. I hope you see what I am. God Bless!
I agree with you completely, people should respect the laws of the land
when they move to a new country.
 

trofimus

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I agree with you completely, people should respect the laws of the land
when they move to a new country.
The problem is that with their fertility, they will soon become a significant minority and then a majority so they will make the laws, eventually.

First, they take quarters, towns and cities, public places, railway stations, town squares. The old Paris is gone, it feels like in Africa, now. Some London quarters are called Londonistan, there is a reason for it.

Europeans do not have to do anything for the islamization. It will happen by itself, by a passivity of original inhabitants. And there is no way back.
 

Magenta

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I see your point. I am not anti-immigrant , I am anti- a barbarous religion taking over. if folks go to a new country that is not like theirs, they can have traditions, but they also need to respect the country they are in. that is my point.

so, I see what you are saying. I hope you see what I am. God Bless!
Carrying the following post over from another thread :) Please watch the video...
Of course we are to love all people. Muslims included. However you are gravely mistaken about your views that the MAJORITY Muslims don't hold to radical, anti American, anti freedom ideas of how society should operate. Here is a short video by non Christians, including muslims, explaining the extreme danger Islam itself presents to the World at large and Christians in particular.

 

trofimus

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Not exactly what you imagine from movies, books and romantic songs.

This is Paris of the 21st century:

 

Magenta

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Not exactly what you imagine from movies, books and romantic songs.

This is Paris of the 21st century:

You also posted this one some time ago: women no longer allowed on streets or in cafés in Paris suburb:


Unfortunately, some are in denial about what is going on under their very noses :(
 

joaniemarie

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Hi if you read me earlier posts to Joan you will see why he went to jail. It
was contempt of court. He videod part of the case and put an hours worth of
footage on YouTube despite being warned not to do so. Now it’s jepordised the
original trial and it could mean a retrial at a cost of hundreds of thousands of
pounds. What if that happened in America just out of interest?

Yes we all want the original case to be heard and that person brought to trial.
A fair trial etc. What we don’t need is people causing disruptions in the criminal
proceedings. If you see the links I posted above you will also see that Tommy is
no angel he has various criminal convictions and he is not exactly an up standing
citizen either.

I was trying to explain that Tommy and the EDL are not some sort of superman
hero’s incarcerated for doing the right thing, they are thugs and holligans in
their own right too.

Miri., I was trying to tell you through the links I provided and my own words that not all is as it seems in the news you are getting. I guess you didn't look at the links. I looked at your news links you posted and clearly saw the bias of the govt just like I do here in America. They only report what is PC (politically correct) You have to learn to look beyond what the govt tells you and check out what is really being said. The words Nazi and Thugs are certainly buzz words used to label certain people like they do here in the U.S. Don't trust your media.

The fact is I wanted you to see this is indeed an Islamic issue where your country and mine are very careful not to upset the apple cart for fear of looking racist. The true thugs are those men in the prostitution ring who raped young girls and children in your country Miri. Islam is sweeping the world and people are just beginning to be aware of it on a global scale as they watch their towns and cities and states and country be swept away and their rights be stolen all on the alter of PC.

It's truly a case of good being called evil and evil being called good. It's our responsibility as Christians to know the truth. No one says Tommy Robinson is a Christian but he is in the fight against Islam in the UK and has found many people in the world who agree with him who are not Christians and many who are Christians here in the United States.
 
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Miri

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Miri., I was trying to tell you through the links I provided and my own words that not all is as it seems in the news you are getting. I guess you didn't look at the links. I looked at your news links you posted and clearly saw the bias of the govt just like I do here in America. They only report what is PC (politically correct) You have to learn to look beyond what the govt tells you and check out what is really being said. The words Nazi and Thugs are certainly buzz words used to label certain people like they do here in the U.S. Don't trust your media.

The fact is I wanted you to see this is indeed an Islamic issue where your country and mine are very careful not to upset the apple cart for fear of looking racist. The true thugs are those men in the prostitution ring who raped young girls and children in your country Miri. Islam is sweeping the world and people are just beginning to be aware of it on a global scale as they watch their towns and cities and states and country be swept away and their rights be stolen all on the alter of PC.

It's truly a case of good being called evil and evil being called good. It's our responsibility as Christians to know the truth. No one says Tommy Robinson is a Christian but he is in the fight against Islam in the UK and has found many people in the world who agree with him who are not Christians and many who are Christians here in the United States.

If you want to be associated by the EDL that’s fine, I just wanted to
give you fair warning about who they are. If you saw them first
hand in action you would run a mile. As I say they are made up of
football hooligans, mostly men, many with criminal records.

I have posted a link below to an independent newspapers. With no
Political affiliations, it simply reports the news in my local area.
As I say I was there, you weren’t,

I could have also posted videos on the day of them chanting scum at the
Police antagonising the police, throwing flares, intimidating people and
generally displaying typical football hooligan traits, but I won’t as the videos
would breach CC rules. There are plenty on the net if you want to look
yourself.

But as I say if that’s who you want to support them that’s your choice.


https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/l...atic-pictures-capture-hundreds-tommy-14734488
 
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Miri

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So how are those new european trade tariffs doing? :cool:


Love the dance that’s so funny.

As for the tariffs I dunno.

Actually I can sort of see the logic about the steel. That might surprise people.

We had a flood of steel from China and the result led to the closure of a
large steel company over here.

Then when our new church building was being built in 2015/2016
there were lots of delays. Why, because there was a shortage of steel in
the Uk! It was all being used up in China! What a travesty that was.
 

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But as I say if that’s who you want to support them that’s your choice.
There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between "he may have caused" and "he did cause" a retrial. He was not even given his day in court, which means that this charge is BOGUS and meant to pacify the Muslims.

Common Law in both the UK, Canada and USA states that a man is innocent until proven guilty. This man was deemed to be guilty when the Muslim rape gangs were the actual criminals.
 

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I don't think at this stage that Europe is able to judge America. Our President is judged by what is false narratives brought to the international public by bias partisan sources reporting.
I don't think it presumptuous to imagine there is such a thing channeling what is that slant here into the press overseas.
Europe has much to be concerned about in their own region of the world. Best to be about that.
 

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Michelle Malkin on Muslim Refuge rape epidemic
I don't think this will occur with Donald Trump in office. Sadly , the Democrats don't see this crisis overseas. Or they simply don't care because it happens to those not in their circle of power, money, and influence. If the Democrats make the problems, they can then swoop in every election cycle and promise to clean up the terrible problems they blame on the other party.

I love the reminder in that link to YouTube.
Michelle Malkin put Joy Behar in the light she deserved. As well as Whoopie Goldberg. Joy Behar is one of the most willfully offensive persons on television during the family hour.
 

joaniemarie

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I'm so proud of President Trump as he deals with the far left in our country and abroad. The way the main stream media and the world's media is not reporting the truth reminds me yet again we are in a spiritual battle for the hearts and minds of people in the world. Open borders will destroy America and would have had not President Trump been voted into office.

We are soon becoming a country that does not uphold the laws of our land. We have many anarchists here. The top leaders in the FBI are criminals and need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But unless the republicans and conservatives enforce these laws we will not be able to stand much longer. I think there might be a civil war coming. I fully support our President.
 

joaniemarie

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I don't think this will occur with Donald Trump in office. Sadly , the Democrats don't see this crisis overseas. Or they simply don't care because it happens to those not in their circle of power, money, and influence. If the Democrats make the problems, they can then swoop in every election cycle and promise to clean up the terrible problems they blame on the other party.

I love the reminder in that link to YouTube.
Michelle Malkin put Joy Behar in the light she deserved. As well as Whoopie Goldberg. Joy Behar is one of the most willfully offensive persons on television during the family hour.
The left in our country are globalists imo. They don't love America and are like Obama who continually criticized America and Americans. You are correct., they seek money, power and influence and have had so much of it over the last decade. Tax paying Americans who finally woke up to the lies of the obama administration voted for Trump and now the fight is on.

Woman like Michelle Malkin are awesome conservatives not afraid to speak up against the evils of socialism in our country. This whole illegal immigrant issue has been going on for years but the media is blaming our President as if he caused it. I've been watching the different news programs compared to social media programs. It's scathing how the truth is not being reported to the masses. I like FoxNews and how they support President Trump. They seem to be the only main stream media that does present the real news.

I like Mark Levine who tells it like it is. Will post some one of his radio programs. He is another conservative in America. The left in our country does not support the values America was founded on.