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Men obviously do not have power to save themselves, you can rest assured I do not believe that.
But men do have the power to destroy themselves. Too many examples in the bible of good men that eventually turned on Jesus and lost their salvation. Can you tell me one story where a man or group of men have turned away from Christ and lost their salvation?
The false doctrine is ES/OSAS.
But men do have the power to destroy themselves. Too many examples in the bible of good men that eventually turned on Jesus and lost their salvation. Can you tell me one story where a man or group of men have turned away from Christ and lost their salvation?
The false doctrine is ES/OSAS.
We will let HIM answer you.
This Scripture is ONLY talking about those who Call themselves Christian:
Matthew 7:13-16 (HCSB)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction,
and there are many who go through it.
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
15 “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Matthew 7:21-23 (NCV)
21 “Not all those who say that I am their Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven.
The only people who will enter the kingdom of heaven are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On the last day many people will say to me, ’Lord, Lord, we spoke for you, and through you we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23 Then I will tell them clearly, ’Get away from me, you who do evil. I never knew you.’
1 John 4:6 (NCV)
6 But we belong to God, and those who know God listen to us.
But those who are not from God do not listen to us.
That is how we know the Spirit that is true and the spirit that is false.
This Scripture is ONLY talking about those who Call themselves Christian:
Matthew 7:13-16 (HCSB)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction,
and there are many who go through it.
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
15 “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Matthew 7:21-23 (NCV)
21 “Not all those who say that I am their Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven.
The only people who will enter the kingdom of heaven are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On the last day many people will say to me, ’Lord, Lord, we spoke for you, and through you we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23 Then I will tell them clearly, ’Get away from me, you who do evil. I never knew you.’
1 John 4:6 (NCV)
6 But we belong to God, and those who know God listen to us.
But those who are not from God do not listen to us.
That is how we know the Spirit that is true and the spirit that is false.
You have cut and pasted this response before.
What do you mean by 'rightly divide'?
Mark 16
16 And Jesus also said, he that believeth and is baptized will be saved... (and do not deflect what is obvious to be saved, by talking about what makes you be damned, the discussion is what you have to do to be saved, not what you have to do to be damned)
So which scripture will you ignore?
What do you mean by 'rightly divide'?
Mark 16
16 And Jesus also said, he that believeth and is baptized will be saved... (and do not deflect what is obvious to be saved, by talking about what makes you be damned, the discussion is what you have to do to be saved, not what you have to do to be damned)
So which scripture will you ignore?
Read what Jesus says in Revelations about several of the churches. We can assume that he is talking about churches that have at least some saved people. But the church is told that if it doesn't repent it will be lost.
Why must someone repent if they have ES/OSAS?
To ask it another way, if you have ES/OSAS, why must you repent?
If there is one instance in the bible the shows a saved person losing his salvation, will you believe me?
Why must someone repent if they have ES/OSAS?
To ask it another way, if you have ES/OSAS, why must you repent?
If there is one instance in the bible the shows a saved person losing his salvation, will you believe me?
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i ignore no scriptures unlike you
.... every time i post scripture that refutes your belief you will ignore it or dig up some other post
first of all
i know that all who are saved have been baptized by the Holy Spirit (not water baptism)
but
if Jesus said
everyone who believes in me is saved
this is true
He can also later say
anyone who believes in me and pats their belly and rubs their head is saved
neither of these are false
but it does not mean rubbing your head and patting your stomach are needed to be saved because He already said everyone who believes in me is saved
and what i mean by rightly divide
is exactly what i said last time you asked
i mean divide instruction from
reproof from the law from grace from anything else being spoken
i mean to understand what it is youre reading (which you do not)
what YOU do not believe is
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
you add on to this
.... every time i post scripture that refutes your belief you will ignore it or dig up some other post
first of all
i know that all who are saved have been baptized by the Holy Spirit (not water baptism)
but
if Jesus said
everyone who believes in me is saved
this is true
He can also later say
anyone who believes in me and pats their belly and rubs their head is saved
neither of these are false
but it does not mean rubbing your head and patting your stomach are needed to be saved because He already said everyone who believes in me is saved
and what i mean by rightly divide
is exactly what i said last time you asked
i mean divide instruction from
reproof from the law from grace from anything else being spoken
i mean to understand what it is youre reading (which you do not)
what YOU do not believe is
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
you add on to this
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According to decan, the only inspired bible are the original Greek, Hebrew, and maybe the Aramaic. So what bible do you read from, I'm just guessing, but according to decon you are not reading an inspired version.
If you love Jesus, you will keep his commandments. I agree. So tell me a few of Jesus's commandments, and lets see if the rest of the thread confirm what you say is the truth, and that we will keep these commandments.
So lets say that we do not keep 1 or 2 of these commandments, do we lose our salvation? Doesn't the words 'keep my commandments' just rub you wrong? Yet there it is in writing. If you love me, you will keep my commandments. The reverse it also true. If you do not love me, you will not keep my commandments. What happens then?
If you love Jesus, you will keep his commandments. I agree. So tell me a few of Jesus's commandments, and lets see if the rest of the thread confirm what you say is the truth, and that we will keep these commandments.
So lets say that we do not keep 1 or 2 of these commandments, do we lose our salvation? Doesn't the words 'keep my commandments' just rub you wrong? Yet there it is in writing. If you love me, you will keep my commandments. The reverse it also true. If you do not love me, you will not keep my commandments. What happens then?
Exactly..........saved to the UTTERMOST, KEPT by the POWER OF GOD through FAITH, NEVER leave thee or FORSAKE THEE, SEALED with the Holy Spirit of PROMISE.......etc........amazing how many people believe they can be saved at their worst, totally lost in sin and then lose it like a dime in the dust......ignorance for sure!
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I see. So if Jesus says whosoever believes in me shall be saved, then thats it.
If he says later, whosoever believeth in me and is baptized will be saved, you can ignore the baptism part of it as divided out of what it really means to be saved. (one small problem, when did he say believe and be saved and when did he actually say believe and be baptized to be saved? Which one was actually said first?)
If you are going to go for what Jesus said first as to how one is saved, you will likely find the sermon on the mount to be his first words preached about being saved. Matthew 5-7.
Go there to start your research about what Jesus taught about being saved.
If he says later, whosoever believeth in me and is baptized will be saved, you can ignore the baptism part of it as divided out of what it really means to be saved. (one small problem, when did he say believe and be saved and when did he actually say believe and be baptized to be saved? Which one was actually said first?)
If you are going to go for what Jesus said first as to how one is saved, you will likely find the sermon on the mount to be his first words preached about being saved. Matthew 5-7.
Go there to start your research about what Jesus taught about being saved.
Before I put you on my IGNORE LIST, I will answer this post.
I is NOT the translated version that is inspired, which even includes the KJV, it is the ACTUAL WORD OF GOD that was Inspired. In other words, the ORIGINAL in the Quill and Ink hand written by the original authors hand writing.
What you refuse to admit, and I quoted you the VERSES THAT SAID SO, is ONLY true Believer's will have the Biblical Characteristic in their Human Spirit that will always Genuinely Believe in HIM. All others who can stop believing in HIM, NEVER were REAL CHRISTIANS, with a Born Again, Eternally Alive Human Spirit to continue in that BELIEF.
TO LOVE HIM with your whole heart = SALVATION, which takes the HOLY SPIRIT actually IN YOUR HEART.
TO NOT LOVE HIM, is anything that is LESS = UNSAVED, which means you are not Born Again, not matter how many times you have been Baptized in Water.
Are we Perfect at LOVING HIM?
NO, but GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ME YET.
Philippians 1:6 (ESV)
6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
I is NOT the translated version that is inspired, which even includes the KJV, it is the ACTUAL WORD OF GOD that was Inspired. In other words, the ORIGINAL in the Quill and Ink hand written by the original authors hand writing.
What you refuse to admit, and I quoted you the VERSES THAT SAID SO, is ONLY true Believer's will have the Biblical Characteristic in their Human Spirit that will always Genuinely Believe in HIM. All others who can stop believing in HIM, NEVER were REAL CHRISTIANS, with a Born Again, Eternally Alive Human Spirit to continue in that BELIEF.
TO LOVE HIM with your whole heart = SALVATION, which takes the HOLY SPIRIT actually IN YOUR HEART.
TO NOT LOVE HIM, is anything that is LESS = UNSAVED, which means you are not Born Again, not matter how many times you have been Baptized in Water.
Are we Perfect at LOVING HIM?
NO, but GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ME YET.
Philippians 1:6 (ESV)
6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
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Explain how a person who believes for a while, then no longer believes, is still saved.
12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13
- who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.
JPT