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NoNameMcgee

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1. Refuting speculative science fiction with logical argument is not killing the messenger.

Disagreeing with things you post is not "killing you."
Don't be so dramatic.


2. Giving me a link to a transhumanist site, showing that other people believe what you believe, does not PROVE those beliefs are factual... it only proves those beliefs exist, not that they are true.

A. It is true, and factual, that many people want a "transhumanist" utopia full of hybrid humans, or non-humans.
B. That does NOT mean that everything they propose is FEASIBLE.
C. Most likely, some things they propose are feasible, and some are not.
D. For reasons of theology, philosophy, and science... I pretty much draw the line at "uploading the soul."


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God bless you brother...

very well said
 

posthuman

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This was already raised. Read a bit of neuroscience. The transfer of the soul is really being proposed as I said. Its no a secret. It is done in universities like MIT, exactly what they call computational neurobiology. If I understood what you said. I thought exactly the same. I'm Christian. By machine learning algorithm machines you are creating a hypercomputer able to learn and improve human knowledge at a speed that borders on the unimaginable, coming almost to a divine intelligence. This artificial intelligence will one day conclude that despite being better than the human, and much more intelligent, does not understand what is the human soul, not the decrypted or understood, despite studying it knows that never could get. After this the machine thinks that the human being has something that never will have it and therefore becomes a serious threat.
I repeat that this is not mine, it's from Raymond Kurzweil, Chief Engineer of Google and Alphabet. It is not a gift Nobody.
I repeat that this is already being done, right now, and its culmination will be between 2040 and 2045.
The Christian of today should observe and become more cultured of the world around him. To devote all your life to the Bible ignoring everything else does not make you more than a simple fanatic.
Islam, Feminism, Transhumanism, Gender Ideology ... There is no blind person who does not want to see. A greeting.

I built neural network computer models for my masters thesis. My advisor has been studying them for 35 years. We can do computation and pattern matching and minimization etc. Sure. We can make adaptive algorithmic decision making machines based on neurological architecture. Sure.
But that's not intelligence and it's not soul. It's just a machine. No one has ever identified any physical part of any anatomy with consciousness, and not for lack of effort. Even if you built atom for atom artificial replica of an entire human physiognomy it wouldn't be 'alive' - it would be a biological machine, nothing more. An aeroplane without a pilot.

The pilot is not physical.
 
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1. Refuting speculative science fiction with logical argument is not killing the messenger.

Disagreeing with things you post is not "killing you."
Don't be so dramatic.


2. Giving me a link to a transhumanist site, showing that other people believe what you believe, does not PROVE those beliefs are factual... it only proves those beliefs exist, not that they are true.

A. It is true, and factual, that many people want a "transhumanist" utopia full of hybrid humans, or non-humans.
B. That does NOT mean that everything they propose is FEASIBLE.
C. Most likely, some things they propose are feasible, and some are not.
D. For reasons of theology, philosophy, and science... I pretty much draw the line at "uploading the soul."


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I agree with you. Just add that Raymond Kurzweil is an important guy who handles a lot of knowledge. The common Christian must know his enemies. Ecumenism, Feminism, Gender ideology, Chrislam ... I know many "Christians" who talk to you about the benefits of "modifying" the word of God in favor of all these shits of ideologies for peace, love and others. Transhumanism is simply what is coming, and it will be worse than all this together.
 

maxwel

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I agree with you. Just add that Raymond Kurzweil is an important guy who handles a lot of knowledge. The common Christian must know his enemies. Ecumenism, Feminism, Gender ideology, Chrislam ... I know many "Christians" who talk to you about the benefits of "modifying" the word of God in favor of all these shits of ideologies for peace, love and others. Transhumanism is simply what is coming, and it will be worse than all this together.

Ok, I think I can agree with everything in this post.

God Bless.


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abcdef

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Hi. I'm new in the forum. I call myself a seeker of truth. I started with the conspiracy a bit, and over time, I quit my studies, girlfriend, and even most of my friends for this. Now, I know I have done the right thing completely. I am really happy and my duty is to share a little what I have learned.

I answer all your questions whenever they are within my reach. I will not say proper names, although I will give dates.

Abduction? Born again ? God's Kingdom ? Coran? Bible? Who is the Antichrist? Petrus Romanus? etc etc, any question will be answered, always with respect and remembering that it is only an opinion. Greetings Brothers!

Hi JaminG,

1, Who is the iron in the statue of Daniel 2?

2. Who was the iron 500 yrs ago?

3. Who is the iron today?

Maybe you can answer these questions.

(hang around for awhile, it gets better)
 
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AuntieAnt

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Jamin, I don’t know your motive, but God does. Nevertheless, you come in here as if you have some great private truth above and beyond the plain Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is simple enough for a child to understand. There is no need to panic or fear about the future. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is faithful and He will take care of us without fail. That is the absolute Truth.

As for “robots developed with operating systems to replicate ‘common sense’, algorithms with capacity for logic, ‘thought vectors’ encoded as sequences of numbers, sexualizing robots to seduce isolated lonely people, mastering conversation to chat with people all over the world, DeepMind, ” yada yada yada.

There is a 100% chance of complete failure of an AI world. Why? One reason: USER ERROR.

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Imperfect contaminated humans + computers created by imperfect contaminated humans = imperfect contaminated AI world.
It’s not even reasonable to believe humans can avoid all possibilities of complete computer failure. There’s always going to be error and failure because humans are imperfect and make mistakes every day. Therefore, it is impossible to create an infallible AI world or singularity.

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It’s a guarantee an AI world will get contaminated and compromised at any time. They’ll get viruses, crash completely, fail to update, wifi won’t work, software won’t install, issues with downloading, etc., etc. The entire universe is susceptible to God disrupting it, allowing catastrophes, and ultimately terminating it. You’d have to be bonkers to believe a human can overthrow God.
Robots developed with operating systems to exhibit “common sense” are doomed to fail because people without common sense are creating them.

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Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It’s been proven by neuroscientists that having great power over others diminishes empathy and compassion in the human brain. Even so, a person in power who allows him/herself to be held accountable has the capacity to avoid corruption. Take King David, for example. He was guilty of abusing his power, but he didn’t hide from God and he repented sincerely.

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Remember how the ground opened up and swallowed people for complaining against God? I’m sure it wasn’t just mere complainers, but ungrateful, unrepentant cynics telling God how to do His job and causing others to lose hope and turn away from the Lord. Also, keep in mind the events surrounding two kings, Nebuchadnezzar and Herod. One king repented in humility after God punished him for 7 years with insanity; the other ruler so prideful & reprobate, he was struck by God's angel and eaten alive by worms.

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And let’s not forget how Lucifer and his cohorts were condemned to eternal torment by God for trying to usurp authority in heaven. I don’t believe anyone who tried to dethrone God from His rightful place came out unscathed. These scientists claiming to become like gods are on shaky ground. I would not want to be in their shoes. I pray they humble themselves and repent.

I read this anonymous person’s comment online: “Overstimulation by technology isn’t healthy as people get dependent on computers and remove themselves from human contact and live almost virtual lives. They become more like caricatures of themselves, transferring their reality to an alter abstract on their cell phones and computers.”

I agree.

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I miss the good old days when we ventured outdoors without carrying a phone around. If you had a couple of bucks and some change in your pocket, and possibly a comb or a house key, it was enough. If we wanted to inform our friends about anything in our lives, we’d visit their house or maybe meet them at the diner in town. Rather than group chat, we all met to ride bikes, go to the movies, or go swimming at the lake or shore. I miss the times we had picnics and played Frisbee and volleyball and basketball. I can hardly believe how people live every moment on their phones now. It’s so strange to me.

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Jesus offers us a much better way to live. So stop worrying and let Him lead the way.

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maxwel

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AuntieAunt,

Your post was too long...

you will be replaced with nanobots.


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abcdef

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One king repented in humility after God punished him for 7 years with insanity; the other ruler so prideful & reprobate, he was struck by God's angel and eaten alive by worms.

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AA,

It never says 7 years. It says 7 times.

To make the 7 times, 7 years, is an assumption without scriptural proof.
 
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kaylagrl

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There is only one way, and it is Christ our Lord. Everything else is cancer, so clear and rude. But that does not mean that I should not know my enemy. Which is what I have tried since the beginning of this post.

Thats not much of a reply to my question. When I said "briefly" I did think you'd expand a little on each subject.lol
 
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Thats not much of a reply to my question. When I said "briefly" I did think you'd expand a little on each subject.lol

Your question is too generalized. What can I say about feminism? of Islam? that you do not know anymore?
I do not know about other places but here in Spain, because they are Muslim, you have privileges in the grants, women give them free apartments if they renounce a couple, if a child at age 4 tells their teacher (even if it is a joke) that they want to be girl, the teacher is forced to begin a process that would end the hormonacion of the child and if the parents are opposed, lose custody automatically. All this without saying many other things, such as violations of women by Muslims in which feminists are "agreed" because they have another culture.

What more can I say.
 
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I do not know if someone has revised the Quran but Allah gives a series of celestial privileges to Muslims who convert Christians, kill infidels, be PEDOPHILS, if because Muhammad was a pedophile as the Quran says up to 14 times. Just as a person who does not read the Bible or does not follow the doctrines of God can not be considered Christian, there is a Muslim version, which is reduced to false Muslims who do what they like with the Quran. The true Muslims are those of ISIS, like it or not and many of the Muslims who live in Spain and marry little girls.
 
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LPT

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Hello LPT,

Just fyi, none of the scriptures that you provided above identify John as the man who ran away naked. John 19:25-27 is not linked to Jesus arrest in Gethsemane, but only demonstrates that John was there at Christ's crucifixion.

The best candidate of who the young man was would be Peter, for it states that after the Lord's arrest that Peter followed them at a distance.
Hey Ahwatukee,

John nor Peter is the young man I speak of for all the disciples fled so there's no doubt the young who was following Jesus was not one of the 12 disciples. The young man is not directly mentioned things happen for reasons the disciples knew who the young man was but they couldn't grasp all things after the fact. they didn't even understand Jesus rose from the dead surely he gave them clues one being the linen cloth lying in the empty tomb and at the cross for which I mentioned.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hey Ahwatukee,

John nor Peter is the young man I speak of for all the disciples fled so there's no doubt the young who was following Jesus was not one of the 12 disciples. The young man is not directly mentioned things happen for reasons the disciples knew who the young man was but they couldn't grasp all things after the fact. they didn't even understand Jesus rose from the dead surely he gave them clues one being the linen cloth lying in the empty tomb and at the cross for which I mentioned.
No disrespect or anything intended, but just stating the facts of scripture.

As I pointed out, even though all of the disciples fled, the scripture states that Peter followed the Lord and the group that had arrested him at a distance. There is nothing in the context that would indicate that the one who slipped away leaving his linen garment behind is the same linen cloth lying in the empty tomb. In fact, it was Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus who wrapped Jesus in those linen strips:

"Afterward, Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus (but secretly for fear of the Jews), asked Pilate to let him remove the body of Jesus. Pilate gave him permission, so he came and removed His body. Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds. So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths with the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom.

In addition, there is nothing in the scripture that would identify the young man as being Joseph of Arimathea either. That he slipped away out of his linen cloth and that Jesus was wrapped in a linen cloth, does not support Joseph as being the young man.

So the linen clothes that laid in the tomb were those that Joseph and Nicodemus wrapped Jesus in, which He discarded after He resurrected.
 
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Hi JaminG,

1, Who is the iron in the statue of Daniel 2?

2. Who was the iron 500 yrs ago?

3. Who is the iron today?

Maybe you can answer these questions.

(hang around for awhile, it gets better)
Hello, sorry for my delay but as you can see I am collapsed with messages and I did not realize his. I have a different vision of you about the statue of Nabucondosor. I do not want to stretch too long because it's a long issue. The chronological order of the statue is from top to bottom. The feet, are the union of mud and iron. Iron is the machine to its greatest extent. The ancient civilizations, used human dust to create mud with rain and make rituals of souls that is what they were called. The feet of Nebuchadnezzar, are transhumanism, bone, the union of the human being with the machine, the mud and the iron.
 
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You are the one staying in your body, i.e. the one not being uploaded anywhere :)
I suppose these questions had been raised by scientists at Raymond Kurzweil's level. In fact, most of the universities and centers that work on this have more than one theologian / philosopher / ethicist who will raise these issues and still move on. Be that as it may, all this is here already.
 

carl11

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There will be two moments when you can save yourself. One of them is being kidnapped, and for that he must be born again. Having been born again you will know the life of Christ as he suffered and lived. Another way to be saved is after the great tribulation. He must go through martyrdom, which is in the Quran. If this happens, he can be saved and he will receive the life of Christ himself. That said, you will not need to make faith efforts like this right now.
Lo siento mucho pero nadie puede salvar su mismo la biblia está muy claro en eso. Además no hay dos tiempos solo uno y ese tiempo es ahorita no después de la tribulación. Dígame una cosa porque quieres hacer una comparación con la Biblia y el Corán los dos son completamente diferente. El autor de la Biblia es Dios y el autor de el Coran es hombre.