Are Roman Catholics Christians

[Stunnedbygrace]

You are such a hypocrite....you used at least two posts above to step into a conversation and call me rude etc. and judged how I talk to people and then turn around and say the above....as well as the following...------> LOG in the EYE syndrome......

I think a good word is commonsense.You can probably better say it as two separate words - common sense.

Well God forgive me, but you are just posting

Did you see what he was posting? Luther killed God, Luther destroyed Germany and now is destroying the U.S., the bible is just traditions written by men. And he was proposing the idea of God as whatever the community thinks is most valuable.

And then he arrogantly put down a brother and arrogantly put down every brother in the room with things dripping with disdain like "your style of Christianity."

So yeah, I said I speak up when someone is being arrogant to a brother and I was telling the truth about that.

If it's a brother, I just say what I think and expect he'll either see my point and say, hey, you know what, yeah, that was a bit rude or arrogant of me, sorry. OR, sometimes he gets mad but forgives me quickly or eventually sees he could be more respectful.

If it's not a brother, and it's clear he's not going to listen, I answer a fool in his folly and arrogance because that is the only way he knows. When/if he comes back, he's usually more respectful.

If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry.

But I know you're going to forgive me for my openness eventually. You always do.

And if you have a better way to address someone like him, I'm all ears. The only way I know is to nip it in the bud before he gets any more comfortable in his jeering at us all. If anyone has suggestions for a better way to deal with someone wandering in and badmouthing us all and pushing nihilism, please let me know. If I'd asked him politely to stop he certainly wouldn't have. He came in guns blazing about how evil Protestantism is. I promise I won't get mad at helpful criticism, so give it if anyone has it. Just give it without bitterness and anger toward me if you can.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Hey, guys! Knock it off already the enemy has gone while we fight amongst ourselves. Don't help him win brother against brother while the devil laughs at us. I'm guilty too lets shake hands and find something else to talk about we're not talking about the salvation of catholics any more, which is what this string was all about but it has devolved to name calling and poo slinging. Break it up before I get a rope. lol ill let you explain it to him stunned. Bob

It's okay, bob. dcon is my dear brother. I care for him and he cares for me. We have had brief squabbles before (very, very infrequently). They don't last because the Spirit works in both of us.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Yes I agree of course. the point I am trying to the Lord will allow the Antichrist to take over, no doubt. The Lord will allow us to take sides the outcome has been fixed. Nothing we can say or do will change it but I believe which side we choose is on our heads and that my friend is the only thing that really matters. What is going to happen is probably happening now the future of the world is not at stake, It's done for but it's the future of our souls is. Choose wisely.

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can champion any party. They're all crooked and bent for self. Both parties are ridiculous and filled with arrogant men and women who think they have a right to more and more of the sweat of our brows. Our government is a ravenous beast grown too big to control or police. All that rhetoric from both sides designed to get or keep the power of the party by dividing the men on whose backs the whole structure rests and is held up is nonsense. And we fall for it. I refuse to involve myself in that stupid division game. If you ever hear ANY sort of talking point coming out of my mouth, you have my permission to slap it or stick a parrot cracker in it.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I had to step out and get some supplies and I'll retract my thumbs down as soon as I'm free. I'm sure the Lord had better things to do than ruin other peoples mornings just to interfere with my wify. The truth is regarding your objections to my post is you are offended because I identify myself as a Progressive, no? I stated in the very next post that it is because Progressives feel betrayed by our own party, (Democratic) So we rebelled against IT because they take corporate pac money, which we consider BRIBES than represent the voters. That's what we are sick of and we would rather vote for an more honest Jew than a pathological liar that claims to be a Christian. Our vote won't change anything.

The future of the world has long been decided by God. Our personal salvation is all that is at stake. God knows the outcome but it is our decisions that he holds us responsible for. I am not a Communist, I am not a Fascist, I am not an Anarchist! The choices I make will not change the future one bit. It may, save or damn my soul. It's my choice. God already knows what it will be however he doesn't decide it for me. I/We do. Choose wisely my friend,

I have been up to long this week. If you'd like continue send me a message Sunday a.m. If you are not showing off you can send me a P.M. here. and I'll answer, promise. I have nothing to hide any more. (except security information.) have a nice Sabbath! Bob

Wait...your wife is a CC member...?

 

[Jackson123]

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can champion any party. They're all crooked and bent for self. Both parties are ridiculous and filled with arrogant men and women who think they have a right to more and more of the sweat of our brows. Our government is a ravenous beast grown too big to control or police. All that rhetoric from both sides designed to get or keep the power of the party by dividing the men on whose backs the whole structure rests and is held up is nonsense. And we fall for it. I refuse to involve myself in that stupid division game. If you ever hear ANY sort of talking point coming out of my mouth, you have my permission to slap it or stick a parrot cracker in it.

All government in the world will be under antichrist, it is prophecied. There will be monopoly government. I believe under pope. I heard some body say, catholic believe pope is represent Jesus on earth.

Jesus is King of king, mean the ruler of all king on earth, so pope must represent Jesus to rule all the king.

Read this link

https://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/vatican-calls-for-world-government-and.html

 

[dcontroversal]

Did you see what he was posting? Luther killed God, Luther destroyed Germany and now is destroying the U.S., the bible is just traditions written by men. And he was proposing the idea of God as whatever the community thinks is most valuable.

And then he arrogantly put down a brother and arrogantly put down every brother in the room with things dripping with disdain like "your style of Christianity."

So yeah, I said I speak up when someone is being arrogant to a brother and I was telling the truth about that.

If it's a brother, I just say what I think and expect he'll either see my point and say, hey, you know what, yeah, that was a bit rude or arrogant of me, sorry. OR, sometimes he gets mad but forgives me quickly or eventually sees he could be more respectful.

If it's not a brother, and it's clear he's not going to listen, I answer a fool in his folly and arrogance because that is the only way he knows. When/if he comes back, he's usually more respectful.

If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry.

But I know you're going to forgive me for my openness eventually. You always do.

And if you have a better way to address someone like him, I'm all ears. The only way I know is to nip it in the bud before he gets any more comfortable in his jeering at us all. If anyone has suggestions for a better way to deal with someone wandering in and badmouthing us all and pushing nihilism, please let me know. If I'd asked him politely to stop he certainly wouldn't have. He came in guns blazing about how evil Protestantism is. I promise I won't get mad at helpful criticism, so give it if anyone has it. Just give it without bitterness and anger toward me if you can.

And what do you think I am doing when I engage people....go look at all my posts...I have no problem in dialogue and or engaging people who speak truth and or those who disagree with me...the only people I rake over the proverbial coals are the ones who do the following...

a. Throw Jesus under the bus by devaling his grace, mercy, sacrifice, work, promises, and eternal salvation
b. Those who twist, embellish, add to, lie about or change what I say into something I have not said
c. Those who judge my motive and or heart just because I am blunt, to the point and or sometimes say what needs to be said
d. Those who post scriptures in defense of a point that has nothing to do with what the topic is in order to peddle something that is false.

You know that I have engaged many people that disagree with me and have no problem with disagreement unless it falls into the above grouping (a-d) and I know at times I am sarcastic, very pointed, blunt and without tact at times and for sure words on a page cannot express facial expressions and or attitude unless it is blatantly obvious....

I have over 35 years of dealing with people that portray to know the "bible" and the HONEST truth is that most whip scriptures out of a hat to prove their stance....very few people actually sit and study the bible, much less read it....very few people take the time to study every word in a given text from the original languages, very few spend 10, 20, 30, 40 or more hours a week actually studying the word of God, in context, using all available tools to study the words, historicity of the time written etc.....and the absolute truth....when I see someone post verses with no context, no attachment to what is being discussed, no practical application to what is being discussed it is a major "tell" that they..

a. Do not know what they are talking about
b. Do not study the word
c. Are in error
d. Have been deceived by someone
e. ETC.....

You know I have no problem admitting error and have on at least 5 to 10 times have apologized openly when I have crossed the line and or said something a little too pointed...I have also stated openly that I stand corrected on things I have previously believed.....but one thing for sure...I do not just whip verses out and I am fully set to defend the truth of God.........

And you're right....I am forgiving.....because HE is forgiving

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

And what do you think I am doing when I engage people....go look at all my posts...I have no problem in dialogue and or engaging people who speak truth and or those who disagree with me...the only people I rake over the proverbial coals are the ones who do the following...

a. Throw Jesus under the bus by devaling his grace, mercy, sacrifice, work, promises, and eternal salvation
b. Those who twist, embellish, add to, lie about or change what I say into something I have not said
c. Those who judge my motive and or heart just because I am blunt, to the point and or sometimes say what needs to be said
d. Those who post scriptures in defense of a point that has nothing to do with what the topic is in order to peddle something that is false.

You know that I have engaged many people that disagree with me and have no problem with disagreement unless it falls into the above grouping (a-d) and I know at times I am sarcastic, very pointed, blunt and without tact at times and for sure words on a page cannot express facial expressions and or attitude unless it is blatantly obvious....

I have over 35 years of dealing with people that portray to know the "bible" and the HONEST truth is that most whip scriptures out of a hat to prove their stance....very few people actually sit and study the bible, much less read it....very few people take the time to study every word in a given text from the original languages, very few spend 10, 20, 30, 40 or more hours a week actually studying the word of God, in context, using all available tools to study the words, historicity of the time written etc.....and the absolute truth....when I see someone post verses with no context, no attachment to what is being discussed, no practical application to what is being discussed it is a major "tell" that they..

a. Do not know what they are talking about
b. Do not study the word
c. Are in error
d. Have been deceived by someone
e. ETC.....

You know I have no problem admitting error and have on at least 5 to 10 times have apologized openly when I have crossed the line and or said something a little too pointed...I have also stated openly that I stand corrected on things I have previously believed.....but one thing for sure... I do not just whip verses out and I am fully set to defend the truth of God.........

And you're right....I am forgiving.....because HE is forgiving

Okay honestly dcon, I think if you go back and read where the conversation between MarkWilliam and Shrume began over Calvinism, what shrume was saying to MarkWilliam was that God doesn't predetermine that some men are going to be damned and there's not a darn thing they can do about it. Yes, he used the word predetermined perhaps a bit wrongly, but his intent was not to bash the verse that says God predetermined but to object to...okay never mind, it's over. I don't think you got quite the intent because of how he worded it. I just think you didn't see the beginning of that side conversation and the intent of shrume. But let's say: end of story and let's eat some cake. We just have to find a caketaker who will share some.

 

[shrume]

Okay honestly dcon, I think if you go back and read where the conversation between MarkWilliam and Shrume began over Calvinism, what shrume was saying to MarkWilliam was that God doesn't predetermine that some men are going to be damned and there's not a darn thing they can do about it. Yes, he used the word predetermined perhaps a bit wrongly, but his intent was not to bash the verse that says God predetermined but to object to...okay never mind, it's over. I don't think you got quite the intent because of how he worded it. I just think you didn't see the beginning of that side conversation and the intent of shrume. But let's say: end of story and let's eat some cake. We just have to find a caketaker who will share some.

My ears are burning...

Was dcon's post about me? If so, I missed it..

 

[MarkWilliams]

All government in the world will be under antichrist, it is prophecied. There will be monopoly government. I believe under pope. I heard some body say, catholic believe pope is represent Jesus on earth.

Jesus is King of king, mean the ruler of all king on earth, so pope must represent Jesus to rule all the king.

Read this link

https://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/vatican-calls-for-world-government-and.html

The Vatican has managed to deceive most of the world into b believing that it's Christian Church. But God's people know the truth that it's a Satanic organisation which serves the powers of darkness.

The book of Revelation describes it clearly as a Harlot who is drunk on the blood of Saints, it has murdered over 50 million Christian Saints. God commands His people to come out of Her, in the book of Revelation., because He is going to destroy it in the lake of fire.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

My ears are burning...

Was dcon's post about me? If so, I missed it..

No, shrume, I think he just misunderstood your intent and you sort of used the word predetermined wrongly...sort of.
Or maybe I'm wrong and dcon believes God doomed some and gave them no choice in the matter, but I'm fairly confident dcon does NOT believe that.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

EG brought up the verse about predetermined, but the reason God can say He predetermined is NOT because He just chooses some men to doom without giving them any choice, but because He has seen each mans end from the beginning. Does that make sense?

 

[MarkWilliams]

Election and predestination are Biblical truths, weather anyone believes them or not. We are either chosen for eternal life in paradise or eternal torment in hell. Nobody has a say in the matter, it's all according to Gods choice and will. This is what the Bible clearly teaches and nobody can deny it, without denying the truth.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Ah, okay, see dcon? THAT is what shrume was reacting to and why he was saying God doesn't make men just for the purpose of dooming them without giving them a choice. So he used the word predetermined, but his intent was to have the word be understood differently. Do you see?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Election and predestination are Biblical truths, weather anyone believes them or not. We are either chosen for eternal life in paradise or eternal torment in hell. Nobody has a say in the matter, it's all according to Gods choice and will. This is what the Bible clearly teaches and nobody can deny it, without denying the truth.

MW, God is not willing for any man to perish. Do you recall that verse? You can google it and find it.
So it is saying it isn't what God wants, for any man to die, to be cast into hell.
So, do you see why saying that God wants/wills for some men to go to eternal death is not correct?

 

[Jackson123]

The Vatican has managed to deceive most of the world into b believing that it's Christian Church. But God's people know the truth that it's a Satanic organisation which serves the powers of darkness.

The book of Revelation describes it clearly as a Harlot who is drunk on the blood of Saints, it has murdered over 50 million Christian Saints. God commands His people to come out of Her, in the book of Revelation., because He is going to destroy it in the lake of fire.

Yep look what happen here, in this discussion, some body believe Martin devalued God, Martin course communism, it is lie, Jesuit start communism, start with reduction of Paraguay, catholic devalued God by sale forgiveness certificate, they accused what they did to some one else

 

[MarkWilliams]

MW, God is not willing for any man to perish. Do you recall that verse? You can google it and find it.
So it is saying it isn't what God wants, for any man to die, to be cast into hell.
So, do you see why saying that God wants/wills for some men to go to eternal death is not correct?

I do recall a similar verse, I believe it read more like "God is not willing that any should perish" I don't remember the word man in there, but He could have been speaking about His elect as in any of the elect.

I can see the dilemma this verse has caused, but let's also remember that if that verse is to be taken the way you have then God failed to save those who His Son suffered for so greatly.

So we believe that God is almighty and He can never fail in anything He desires to achieve. He also knows all things, including who will be save and who will be lost.

I think the difficulty most of us have with the election verses choice dilemma, is we don't give God enough credence. There would be no argument if we just accepted that God decides all things, causes all things, predetermines all things, controls all things and He knows all of man kinds history from the beginning to the end.

 

[calibob]

Wait...your wife is a CC member...?

I dont get it

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I dont get it

Who's on first?

I thought I was getting from the conversation that you and another poster were husband and wife. She talked about her husband as if he was a member and it sounded like you were talking about your wife as a member, so I just assumed the two of you were married. I really think I'm losing it...

 

[calibob]

a. I have no idea what you are talking about
b. I've been divorced 30+ years

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

a. I have no idea what you are talking about
b. I've been divorced 30+ years

You said when the weather gets bad and rainy your wify, which is misspelled and should be wifey, acts crazy, so - oh no oh no! you meant internet! oh no my gosh! I'm going to stop coming in here I'm too stupid for conversation. Literally too stupid...