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that brings up something I was thinking about just this morning
It seems that those who wish to physically keep the Sabbath or other laws from the Old Testament are very willing to make great leaps and go far beyond what is stated.
I'm not comfortable doing that, to me it sounds too much like adding to God's word.
It seems that those who wish to physically keep the Sabbath or other laws from the Old Testament are very willing to make great leaps and go far beyond what is stated.
I'm not comfortable doing that, to me it sounds too much like adding to God's word.
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13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
You can make the religious claim that people who strive to follow the Christ's Commandments are "ADDING" to His Word if it makes you feel better about your religion.
But just to be truthful, It is the Word which became Flesh, the same God you claim as your God, who wrote these Words and many others. "the Sabbath was made for man".
It would be good if you would provide an example where I made "great leaps and go far beyond what is stated."
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
You can make the religious claim that people who strive to follow the Christ's Commandments are "ADDING" to His Word if it makes you feel better about your religion.
But just to be truthful, It is the Word which became Flesh, the same God you claim as your God, who wrote these Words and many others. "the Sabbath was made for man".
It would be good if you would provide an example where I made "great leaps and go far beyond what is stated."
Genesis 1: 5. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." There was evening and there was morning, one day. 6. God said, "Let there be an expanse in the middle of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7. God made the expanse, and divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. 8. God called the expanse "sky." There was evening and there was morning, a second day.
I didn't say anything about worshiping the expanse. The expanse is called Sky, not Darkness.
Genesis 1: 28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
why is the command to subdue the Earth not part of God's universal law that he gave to Abraham and all mankind?
I didn't say anything about worshiping the expanse. The expanse is called Sky, not Darkness.
Genesis 1: 28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
why is the command to subdue the Earth not part of God's universal law that he gave to Abraham and all mankind?
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remember what the specific issue was in the context of the discussion with beta.
The issue is taking a verse, a single verse, Genesis 26 5 and saying from that that Abraham did not do physical work on the Sabbath.
I think taking this verse
Genesis 2: 1. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
and the leaping from that to Abraham did not do physical work on the Sabbath is a great leap.
The issue is taking a verse, a single verse, Genesis 26 5 and saying from that that Abraham did not do physical work on the Sabbath.
I think taking this verse
Genesis 2: 1. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
and the leaping from that to Abraham did not do physical work on the Sabbath is a great leap.
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This Bible truth is something Paul pointed out. Abraham was blessed and Noah "was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." apart from physical circumcision.
Maybe this is one reason Paul said; "Circumcision is nothing, un-circumcision is nothing, but Keeping the Commandments of God"
Maybe it is you and the Pharisees that are making such a big deal about the Physical aspect, and have ignored Spiritual aspect.
duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
For me there is no question. He had God's Laws except for the atonement rituals and the "service of the Sanctuary" given the Levites which were "ADDED" 430 years later. Levi was not yet even born.
I also have God's Laws, except for the atonement rituals and the "service of the Sanctuary" given to the Levites because Jesus "Changed" this Priesthood as He promised in His Gospel.
To add to this or take away from this is speculation on man's part. God said Abraham had God's Laws, that's OK with me. I'm not going to assume anything else.
The Bible says Abraham not only Had God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws, but that He obeyed them and for this reason God blessed Him.
You can assume God's Laws doesn't include the Sabbath or "Love you Neighbor" or "don't Covet" or whatever Law of God your religion doesn't like, but to do so is speculation on your part.
What happened to " Law means Law"?
Maybe this is one reason Paul said; "Circumcision is nothing, un-circumcision is nothing, but Keeping the Commandments of God"
Maybe it is you and the Pharisees that are making such a big deal about the Physical aspect, and have ignored Spiritual aspect.
duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
For me there is no question. He had God's Laws except for the atonement rituals and the "service of the Sanctuary" given the Levites which were "ADDED" 430 years later. Levi was not yet even born.
I also have God's Laws, except for the atonement rituals and the "service of the Sanctuary" given to the Levites because Jesus "Changed" this Priesthood as He promised in His Gospel.
To add to this or take away from this is speculation on man's part. God said Abraham had God's Laws, that's OK with me. I'm not going to assume anything else.
The Bible says Abraham not only Had God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws, but that He obeyed them and for this reason God blessed Him.
You can assume God's Laws doesn't include the Sabbath or "Love you Neighbor" or "don't Covet" or whatever Law of God your religion doesn't like, but to do so is speculation on your part.
What happened to " Law means Law"?
I never said it wasn't. I said I believe every scriptures is contained in every scripture and they all flow together like a living river.
Do you believe "subdue the earth" means to subdue the rocks and dirt and trees?
Why do you believe God gave different instruction to Adam and Noah, than He gave to Abraham?
Do you believe "subdue the earth" means to subdue the rocks and dirt and trees?
Why do you believe God gave different instruction to Adam and Noah, than He gave to Abraham?
Why was Noah given everything that moves for food, and Adam only every seed bearing plant, then the children of Israel a set of clean and unclean foods, then the believer anything received with thanksgiving?
Why was neither Adam nor Noah nor the believer in Christ given circumcision?
Why was Ezekiel instructed to lie on his side for 430 days?
As examples for us, testifying of Christ.
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Why was neither Adam nor Noah nor the believer in Christ given circumcision?
Why was Ezekiel instructed to lie on his side for 430 days?
As examples for us, testifying of Christ.
Find Him
="posthuman, post: 3637781, member: 170505"]
Gen. 7:
1 And the LORD (Jesus) said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Gen. 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
It seems once again, like your preaching that Jesus taught differently as a man, than He did as the Word, you are in error. It appears Noah did indeed Circumcise the Foreskin of His Heart.
I agree we should find the Word which became Flesh. However, as prophesied, the is "another Jesus" being taught. One that didn't create His Sabbath for man. One that didn't teach the Same as a man, as He did as the Word. One whose Commandments are "vain deceit" and "rudiments of the World". I don't believe in this Jesus.
1 And the LORD (Jesus) said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Gen. 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
It seems once again, like your preaching that Jesus taught differently as a man, than He did as the Word, you are in error. It appears Noah did indeed Circumcise the Foreskin of His Heart.
Why was Ezekiel instructed to lie on his side for 430 days?
As examples for us, testifying of Christ.
Find Him
As examples for us, testifying of Christ.
Find Him
The Bible says Abraham was given God's Laws and kept them. There was a "Law" ADDED 430 years later. Paul said they were "works of the Law" Abraham didn't have. Which of course is true. Levi wasn't born until many years after Abraham was blessed for obeying God's Commandments. It's in your Bible.
The cleansing and atonement laws didn't make Abraham clean (Righteous), he didn't even have them. They were "ADDED" 430 years later as Paul tells us.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
If only those people who are cleansed according to the Priesthood given to the Levites received the promise, then how did Abraham receive the promise?
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
But the "works of the Law" the Jews were still pushing were not "ADDED" until 430 years after this promise to Abraham was given.
This is the hypocrisy of your preaching in this matter. Law means Law when Paul is speaking to the Galatians, but Law doesn't mean Law when God is talking about Abraham.
Law means Law in Romans 3. "28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
But Law doesn't mean Law in Romans 2. "13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Like Abraham)
The cleansing and atonement laws didn't make Abraham clean (Righteous), he didn't even have them. They were "ADDED" 430 years later as Paul tells us.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
If only those people who are cleansed according to the Priesthood given to the Levites received the promise, then how did Abraham receive the promise?
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
But the "works of the Law" the Jews were still pushing were not "ADDED" until 430 years after this promise to Abraham was given.
This is the hypocrisy of your preaching in this matter. Law means Law when Paul is speaking to the Galatians, but Law doesn't mean Law when God is talking about Abraham.
Law means Law in Romans 3. "28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
But Law doesn't mean Law in Romans 2. "13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Like Abraham)
the reason I brought up physical circumcision is because it is a commandment given to Abraham and thus not part of the levitical priesthood, as I understand it.
yet it is not part of the New Covenant, something that Christians do. so then it looks to me like it was more than just the levitical priesthood laws that were changed with the New Covenant.
to me it looks like it is speculation that Abraham had all possible Laws of God except for the atonement rituals and the "service of the Sanctuary" given the Levites which were "ADDED" 430 years later.
I don't think we can know if Abraham kept the Sabbath or not. since we cannot know I would not want to assume either way.
since the Bible doesn't state it, it looks to me like it must not be important, that is, important whether or not Abraham kept it.
yet it is not part of the New Covenant, something that Christians do. so then it looks to me like it was more than just the levitical priesthood laws that were changed with the New Covenant.
to me it looks like it is speculation that Abraham had all possible Laws of God except for the atonement rituals and the "service of the Sanctuary" given the Levites which were "ADDED" 430 years later.
I don't think we can know if Abraham kept the Sabbath or not. since we cannot know I would not want to assume either way.
since the Bible doesn't state it, it looks to me like it must not be important, that is, important whether or not Abraham kept it.
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