What does scripure mean by "under the law"?

[garee]

Under the law means , you have to refer back to the ten commandment to know if you are sinning. If you are under Grace, you just know if you are sinning.

Yes two kinds of law. (1)The law of that seen, the comandments of God. That which declares we are dead in our trespasses and sin . And (2)the law of Christ's faith the faith of God that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as that not seen, the healing of the Spirit.


Romans 3:27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the "law of faith"

 

[Blik]

People get so up tight when you tell them that the Lord created the world to operate by law, and if we want to live in it successfully we need to learn just what this law was. They say Christ did away with the law, because we know that through Christ we may ask for forgiveness from any of the law we break. But the law as it is told to us in scripture is still there as sure as the sun and moon are still here.

God offered us salvation that stands above the lAw. All we need for that is acceptance of God as our creator. That is acknowledging the truth of our living.

The next step we can take to be triumphant, dynamic Christians is to learn the laws that God created the world with. Our obedience brings us blessings.

 

[Jackson123]

To be under the law rather than under Christ we must obey every law, if we are under Christ we can go to Him for forgiveness if we mess up but we know how the Lord loves us so He instructs us in how to live well in the world as He creaed it. When we understand that and return that love we listen. Scripture puts it this way "If you love me you will obey----".

All His guidance can be summed up with the word love. In the next world there is no room for people who would harm others with lies, theft, gossip, etc. If we are under the law and not Christ we have no forgiveness, we cannot be allowed to live on.

I believe not under law, mean not under OT law, like animal sacrifice, observe Saturday sabbath etc,

 

[Grandpa]

2 Corinthians 3:7-8
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

There is a ministration of Death, which is the law, and there is a ministration of Life, which is the spirit.

You get one or the other.

Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


If everyone who works at the law is under the curse and no one is justified by the law then what is the solution?

Christianity is the solution. Not Judaism.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

 

[Jackson123]

2 Corinthians 3:7-8
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

There is a ministration of Death, which is the law, and there is a ministration of Life, which is the spirit.

You get one or the other.

Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


If everyone who works at the law is under the curse and no one is justified by the law then what is the solution?

Christianity is the solution. Not Judaism.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

So we are not under administration of death engraved on the stone/ 10 commandment anymore

No sabbath law

 

[Embankment]

So we are not under administration of death engraved on the stone/ 10 commandment anymore

No sabbath law

Not under any of the OT laws. It’s all been replaced.

 

[Blik]

2 Corinthians 3:7-8
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

There is a ministration of Death, which is the law, and there is a ministration of Life, which is the spirit.

You get one or the other.

Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


If everyone who works at the law is under the curse and no one is justified by the law then what is the solution?

Christianity is the solution. Not Judaism.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

God protects the Jews, go against them and you go against God. Dangerous ground, my friend.

If we break the law it is only through the blood of Christ we can be forgiven. We can't work out our own forgiveness without Christ.

God made promises of blessings we can have for keeping the law, are you laughing at God for His promises and calling them Judism? Or repeating what we all know--that the blessing of salvation is not one of the blessings promised for keeping the law.

 

[MattforJesus]

To be under the law rather than under Christ we must obey every law, if we are under Christ we can go to Him for forgiveness if we mess up but we know how the Lord loves us so He instructs us in how to live well in the world as He creaed it. When we understand that and return that love we listen. Scripture puts it this way "If you love me you will obey----".

All His guidance can be summed up with the word love. In the next world there is no room for people who would harm others with lies, theft, gossip, etc. If we are under the law and not Christ we have no forgiveness, we cannot be allowed to live on.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

We always have to obey the spiritual laws, laws of love, moral laws, which if we hate sin, and do not want sin, by the Spirit we can abstain from sin, which then we are not under the law for the law cannot touch us for prosecution.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Many people who claim Christ do not come to the truth that sin does affect their relationship with God, and hold unto sin thinking they are still right with God, and are under the law, for they are breaking the law so the law can touch them for prosecution.

We do not void out the law, but we establish the law by the Spirit, and obey the spiritual law.

 

[JaumeJ]

A person who is under the law is an unsaved and lawless person. The law condemns that person to death.

Any who believe Jesus Christ will hear every word H pronounces on the Law, obey according to His Light shining upon it, and never call Him false when He tells us He did not destroy the law but fulfilled it.

All too many people who claim to have studied the law and Jesus have no idea of Christ's teaching on obedience of the law as it is under grace.

No man is saved by obedience, but many are condemned by living a life of licentious interpretation of the teaching of Jesus Christ.

Those who obey in thanksgiving for that Salvation free and generous also know to obey the law as it stand since our Lord came to save us all. Others interpret under the law as obeying Jesus Christ..............this is not under the law for none who obey are condemned, and if and when they do sin, Jesus is there to keep the guilt of our transgression from being held against us.

Please do not pick and choose a line here or there to respond to if yo have not real response; this is what folks do to s support their anti-obedience stand.

God bless all in Jesus Christ.

PS: anyone teaching Jesus teaches against obeying the law has a big problem.

 

[Grandpa]

God protects the Jews, go against them and you go against God. Dangerous ground, my friend.

If we break the law it is only through the blood of Christ we can be forgiven. We can't work out our own forgiveness without Christ.

God made promises of blessings we can have for keeping the law, are you laughing at God for His promises and calling them Judism? Or repeating what we all know--that the blessing of salvation is not one of the blessings promised for keeping the law.

There are no blessings for keeping the law because no one can keep the law.

This is what judaizers can't grasp. The law is spiritual but WE are carnal. Therefore, anyone who is of the works of the law is under the curse...

The only way to become spiritual and no longer under the curse of the law is to come to Christ and receive Rest.

When we rest in Christ we are not working at our carnal understanding of Judaism trying to re-interpret what we think God meant when He gave Moses the Law.

We rest from our work and our carnal understanding of the Law when we come to Christ. He Perfects us and leads us in His Ways. He produces the Fruit of obedience and Righteousness in our lives.

In no way is any of this earned by our supposed keeping and understanding of the jewish law.

Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I suppose you need to brush up on your New Testament. If there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free in Christ Jesus why would anyone re-separate them and try to say that God has special protection or special blessings for Jews only?

I suppose it is people who don't realize that Salvation embodies ALL of Gods blessings. And this Salvation is in Christ alone.

Do you think that someone who is Saved isn't protected by God?
Do you think that someone who is Saved is having blessings withheld by God due to not worshipping Jewish ancestors?

Do you think I am worried about offending those who practice Judaism or Judaism-lite? No. Christianity offends Judaism. Its just a fact.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

People get so up tight when you tell them that the Lord created the world to operate by law, and if we want to live in it successfully we need to learn just what this law was. They say Christ did away with the law, because we know that through Christ we may ask for forgiveness from any of the law we break. But the law as it is told to us in scripture is still there as sure as the sun and moon are still here.

God offered us salvation that stands above the lAw. All we need for that is acceptance of God as our creator. That is acknowledging the truth of our living.

The next step we can take to be triumphant, dynamic Christians is to learn the laws that God created the world with. Our obedience brings us blessings.

Um god did not create the world to operate by law, he created the world to serve it, and to love it, and to cherish it, and to give it what it needed.

If anything the only law the first man and woman had was do not eat this one tree. The world did not need a law,

As the scripture says, the law was added BECAUSE of sin, (Gal 3) not to keep it from sin, it could never keep us from sin in the first place,

Adam and eve proved it and israel proved it also as non of them could keep the laws given, as only one man ever kept all the law god has ever given, his name was Jesus.

 

[Studyman]

To be 'under the Law' means that I look to the Law for my standing before God, and I am judged by the Law. It was the position that the Scribes and Pharisees took in practise. By 'keeping' the Law perfectly, including the sacrifices, they sought to find favour with God.

According to Jesus, the Pharisees didn't seek favor from God by obeying Him. Jesus said they created their own laws.

Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Acts 7:
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

John 5:
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I know there are "MANY" who come in Christ's name who preach that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by following the Letter of God's Laws. But if I listen to Jesus and the Prophets who warned over and over, not about priests which obeyed God, but a about priests who created their own religion, I find that this teaching is not from God's Word.

Isn't it true that God sent them Prophets to straighten them out? Why? Because they were trying to obey the letter of God's Laws? Or because they had corrupted God's Laws?

And what did the Prophets in your Bible tell these Priest's and Pharisees? It's in your Bible.

This teaching that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were striving to follow God's Laws in a horrible falsehood that has snared "many" people.

By 'keeping' the Law perfectly, including the sacrifices, they sought to find favour with God

This is simply untrue if one considers God's Word as the source of truth.

There was a Priest that did strive to honor God with obedience though.

Luke 1:
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

It might be prudent to note that Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came, and the Pharisees didn't. Of couse he did, it was the promise of the Christ.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

So why do religious men teach the Pharisees were following God's Laws when their Savior teaches just the opposite?

 

[preston39]

If ...the law...is resented...then use G-d's commandments..... either way they are in effect.
Christ gave us ability to get forgiveness under the NT or ...new covenant...where we are in violation.

I smell a new age religion element trying to sneak in here.

 

[garee]

A person who is under the law is an unsaved and lawless person. The law condemns that person to death.

Any who believe Jesus Christ will hear every word H pronounces on the Law, obey according to His Light shining upon it, and never call Him false when He tells us He did not destroy the law but fulfilled it.

All too many people who claim to have studied the law and Jesus have no idea of Christ's teaching on obedience of the law as it is under grace.

Amen. two kinds of laws … the letter of the law as to the morals of this world needed for Christian and unbelievers alike . and the unseen spirit of the law, the "law of faith" as spiritual words to convey the gospel .They are hid in the parables/proverbs that give us the spiritual understanding needed to beleive God not seen .

The letter of the law will not enter the new heavens and earth. not one jot or tittle will be removed.

I would suggest studying to find the meaning of "mix faith" in what we do see or hear .Its the key we have enter his sabbath rest and not hardened our own hearts ,

A good place to start looking to the unseen eternal is in 2 Corinthians 4:18 it helps us understand the things hidden in parables

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I think this is one of the most overused expressions and often by people who do not have a working knowledge of the OT

anyway, we should not be 'under' anything. waaaay too heavy a load which is why Jesus came

 

[Studyman]

="eternally-gratefull, post: 3638581, member: 82611"]

Um god did not create the world to operate by law, he created the world to serve it, and to love it, and to cherish it, and to give it what it needed.

I think we should ask God and listen to Him EG.

Duet 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

"But Seek Ye First The Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness.


We are to serve God, we owe Him our respect and honor. He doesn't serve us. At least the God of the Bible doesn't serve us. We turn to Him.

10 The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.
11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

God doesn't need anything from us EG. We need Him. He doesn't serve us EG. His People serve Him.

 

[Studyman]

I think this is one of the most overused expressions and often by people who do not have a working knowledge of the OT

anyway, we should not be 'under' anything. waaaay too heavy a load which is why Jesus came

I agree, an abused term to be sure.

Being "under" some things would be good. Being under the protection of God would be good. Being under the influence of His Words, not under the influence of religious man's words would be good I think.

But being "under" the penalty of breaking God's Commandments. Not so good. It's great that we can be freed from this penalty.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I agree, an abused term to be sure.

Being "under" some things would be good. Being under the protection of God would be good. Being under the influence of His Words, not under the influence of religious man's words would be good I think.

But being "under" the penalty of breaking God's Commandments. Not so good. It's great that we can be freed from this penalty.

regarding law as per your response above

the entire universe operates under law...the law of physics, thermodynamics, reproduction and on and on and on

God does not limit Himself I think. He limits what He creates by 'law'

I don't know...seems obvious to me

 

[CS1]

To be under the law rather than under Christ we must obey every law, if we are under Christ we can go to Him for forgiveness if we mess up but we know how the Lord loves us so He instructs us in how to live well in the world as He creaed it. When we understand that and return that love we listen. Scripture puts it this way "If you love me you will obey----".

All His guidance can be summed up with the word love. In the next world there is no room for people who would harm others with lies, theft, gossip, etc. If we are under the law and not Christ we have no forgiveness, we cannot be allowed to live on.

we follow Christ and free from the Law = which is death
The law of death can only be over come by a Greater Law, that is of Christ who is the one who has power over death.

 

[Latour]

To be under the law rather than under Christ we must obey every law, if we are under Christ we can go to Him for forgiveness if we mess up but we know how the Lord loves us so He instructs us in how to live well in the world as He creaed it. When we understand that and return that love we listen. Scripture puts it this way "If you love me you will obey----".

All His guidance can be summed up with the word love. In the next world there is no room for people who would harm others with lies, theft, gossip, etc. If we are under the law and not Christ we have no forgiveness, we cannot be allowed to live on.

To be under the law means we convert to Judaism....or at least adopt Judaic practices as salvific.