Should a Christian tithe, what does the Bible say

[7seasrekeyed]

I was about to reply to your PM, but it seems you immediately blocked receiving PM's.

Why?

We all believe the things we were taught and/or have been able to figure out from the scriptures.

It does not mean we're all right in what we believe. This is BDF. Its purpose is to discuss the Bible. Are we supposed to just let some people slide without pointing out their inconsistencies or areas where we think they're wrong?

I did not immediately block you...I do not use that feature but made an exception

I guess I was wrong that you might understand what I was saying

I stand corrected and thanks for letting me know

folks are no longer discussing in this thread though

and the recipient is not up to the discussion

a little discretion would go a long way

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Danny I have a question for you if you feel like answering it. if not, that's fine too

why did you decide to write this thread on tithing?

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

I recently heard a sermon on tithing at a Reformed Baptist Church, where I have applied for membership.
The pastor made it clear that we are all to tithe because that's what God wants us to do. He said, if we don't give generously of our finances that God will not bless us.
He presented many Bible verses showing that it is Biblical and that God expects us to obey it.
We can't claim to be believers, then only pick and choose the parts of the Bible that suit our lifestyle and ignore the parts we don't like.
Below is a link listing 20 Bible verses showing that tithing is something all of Gods people must do if we are to be obedient to His Word

https://echurch.com/20-bible-verses-about-tithing/

I know that nobody will argue with Gods Word, so this is only a reminder of our obligation to tithe. I will say in advance that anyone who tries to argue against it is arguing against sound Biblical teaching

Jesus tells us we must render to Caesar what belongs to him, and God what is His (Matthew 22:21). My question is, are we justified if we are is unfaithful with money, respecting honesty and giving to God? Are we saved?

Jesus says, "If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches (Luke 16:11 NKJV)?

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

As I have stated before:

Christians are tested with the least in the Kingdom of God which is money.
Considering what Jesus has said here (Luke 16:9-13 NKJV), I think it would be difficult to overstate the significance of this down to earth, practical teaching, that applies to everyone. If a person cannot be trusted with money, and in any capacity, Jesus plainly says, he cannot be trusted with Salvation, i.e., "true riches." In view of the seriousness of what is being said, we would do well to heed carefully.

In these passages (Luke 16:9-13), Jesus is saying that irrespective of how loudly and how often we profess our Godliness, if it does not show up in our practical, every day living, and especially in the matters of money, and our responsibility toward others, our profession is vain. This statement is plain and clear, if we are unfaithful in these things. "Who will commit to our trust the true riches?"

JSM

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer in Christ doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?

Please post your scripture to support(s) your statement.

 

[shrume]

Danny I have a question for you if you feel like answering it. if not, that's fine too

why did you decide to write this thread on tithing?

Danny can answer for himself, but I think it came from here:

https://christianchat.com/threads/w...-a-big-expensive-building.177895/post-3647104

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Jesus tells us we must render to Caesar what belongs to him, and God what is His (Matthew 22:21). My question is, are we justified if we are is unfaithful with money, respecting honesty and giving to God? Are we saved?

Jesus says, "If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches (Luke 16:11 NKJV)?

verse
1. Giving to caesar whats his = paying taxes. (tithe means paying 10%... here in the us we pay 15-40% depending on the income.... i pay 25% as a single man which is even less than what i share or donate)

verse
2. speaking of those who live to feed their own love of money -> their heart desires money and not the truth

nothing to do with going from "saved" to "unsaved"
everything to do with a specific type of fallen man


my point.....
what you do with your money is not what determines where you are in Christ



though if you are indeed in Christ

you wouldnt love money and riches more than Him -> much more likely to use it for good as opposed to greed when you can



but
yeah
a child of God is saved even if he doesnt "tithe" (give 10%)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Danny can answer for himself, but I think it came from here:

https://christianchat.com/threads/w...-a-big-expensive-building.177895/post-3647104

well sure he can...

but I'm a little blond at the moment

does he attend echurch or does he have a 'builder' pastor who really wanted to be a engineer?

none of the above and I'm out...oh wait...I get 3 chances

??????

 

[posthuman]

Jesus tells us we must render to Caesar what belongs to him, and God what is His (Matthew 22:21). My question is, are we justified if we are is unfaithful with money, respecting honesty and giving to God? Are we saved?

Jesus says, "If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches (Luke 16:11 NKJV)?

what belongs to God is literally all things - and the Bible portrays Him as being interested in people, not money.

what you've given though is no argument for tithing. "tithing" is a command of the Sinai covenant for the tribes of Israel to support the tribe of Levi. it is not the covenant we are brought into and it is not - as Dino eloquently put it - "giving"

if we are unfaithful with the gift of God's grace through the work of Christ, adding the requirement of a written code of the Law of the covenant that God replaced with His own blood, will He commit to us the true riches of His kingdom?

it is not about 'greed' or 'love of mammon' -- it's about believing who He is and what He has done, and recognizing that He has not demanded that we give cash to a guy behind a podium every week. we love because He has loved, and we give because He has given - we do not give because we are under threat of legal prosecution for failing to do so, and we do not "tithe"

you want to tithe, do it Biblically. give a tenth of the wild clover from your lawn and the acorns and apples from your trees, and give it to the tribe of Levi. money was never a part of the Law of Moses, nor was remitting payola to an orator.

you want to give, give in secret as you may, where there is need, as you purpose in your heart, and without compulsion.

 

[posthuman]

does he have a 'builder' pastor who really wanted to be a engineer?

or a sailor pastor who needs a new boat?

or another BMW?

it sounded to me like he has a pastor who's running a business, not a church.
trying to shame people's wallets out of their pants instead of finding Christ in the scripture and teaching what he's found.

'applicational sermonizing' stinks, to my nose. i get all critical and suspicious when i hear it.

throw chairs; run!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

or a sailor pastor who needs a new boat?

or another BMW?

it sounded to me like he has a pastor who's running a business, not a church.
trying to shame people's wallets out of their pants instead of finding Christ in the scripture and teaching what he's found.

'applicational sermonizing' stinks, to my nose. i get all critical and suspicious when i hear it.

throw chairs; run!

might be the case

I have twice attended a church where a building project is actually what was on the mind of the man up front

one of them, was actually replaced but then I guess people felt bad and they brought him back...I was already gone

check for exit signs before being seated

 

[posthuman]

throw chairs; run!

i should explain that i'm not ((necessarily)) suggesting you throw your chair at the dais or the ushers.

the sight and sound of flying ((and landing)) chairs is meant to be a diversion to help give you a few extra steps towards the door befor anyone can try and stop you

 

[calibob]

do you know that building projects are actually tax shelters. In order to keep a nonprofit tax status they build something. Unfortunately it also makes for more opertunity to skim church funds. I think it's common.

 

[Dino246]

So you didn't like that bold statement because it blew your security blanket off and left you exposed.

Irrelevant codswollop.

Jesus never preached that reading the Bible will save you or make you any better than a murderer or thief. Satan knew the Bible a million times better than you and look where he's going. If you think that studying the Bible will save you, then you're in for a rude shock.

I never claimed anything on that subject. Your tirade is again irrelevant.

The Roman Catholic church only gave the Bible to the public around 500 years ago, before that nobody knew anything about it so do you think those people deserve judgement for their lack of knowledge.

Your ignorance of history is comparable to your ignorance of Scripture.

In any case I have a shepherd who studies the Bible every day and night, he tells me everything I need to know about it and he is qualified unlike you, a self appointed expert.

You know nothing of my qualifications, and you know so little of Scripture that you really don't have any basis to judge what your pastor is telling you.

 

[Dino246]

Danny I have a question for you if you feel like answering it. if not, that's fine too

why did you decide to write this thread on tithing?

I strongly encouraged him to do it because he was espousing tithing in another thread. I wanted to avoid filling that thread with a separate subject.

 

[Dino246]

Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer in Christ doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?

Please post your scripture to support(s) your statement.

Try posting something relevant... from the New Testament. You're posting paraphrases from Malachi, which is Old Testament, under the Law. Christians aren't under the Law.

 

[posthuman]

Christians are tested with the least in the Kingdom of God which is money.

how did money get into the Kingdom of God?

the God i know offers bread and wine without price. refined gold, white raiment and eyesalve without money.
the "tithing" i have read of doesn't have anything to do with mammon: it was about produce and livestock.

 

[Dino246]

...

but
yeah
a child of God is saved even if he doesnt "tithe" (give 10%)

McGee, where do you get that cr*p? Certainly not from the Bible!

Tithing is an Old Covenant requirement of Israelites, not a New Covenant requirement of Christians. Christians are encouraged to give generously, but that is not tithing.

At the council in Acts 15 (and Galatians), gentile Christian are given four things to continue doing. Tithing is not one of them.

Please don't make the common mistake of assuming that "tithing" is synonymous with "giving". It isn't, and never was, biblically speaking.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Please don't make the common mistake of assuming that "tithing" is synonymous with "giving". It isn't, and never was, biblically speaking.

what are you even talking about?
where did i say it was?

i think youre confused dino
i know i am by your post

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I strongly encouraged him to do it because he was espousing tithing in another thread. I wanted to avoid filling that thread with a separate subject.

I actually did go back in that thread and found where you said that and also where you thanked him for doing so in this one